Coming from a regular white employed and studying foid who reads these threads occasionally (wouldnt say i agree with them tho), why do you all have these opinions on women like have you had experiences in the past that got you to this point or what (not trying to feminism pill, just curious desu)

>>81593169 (OP)
Literally every woman i tried pursuing or befriending fucked me over for personal gain or just ghosted me, it's not like i'm some seething woman hating weirdo either. just feels like everything they do and say is at the very least partially dishonest if not malicious.

>>81593169 (OP)
I am a larping faggot, you really shouldn't trust anything anyone says here. You will only find any truth buried in 7 layers of protective irony

It would help direct this conversation better if you were a little more specific about the opinions you would like to discuss. I have a vague sense of what you mean, but it is difficult to address your concerns when you don't specifically mention them.

Also, while we can't stop females from posting on /r9k/, it is decidedly a male space for sexually frustrated and alienated men, and most of us are not amenable to being talked at about the right opinions from women, especially those adhering to the standard path of societal success.

I don't understand why any female would willingly go on 4chan.

>>81593169 (OP)
statistics my friend
it never even began and i am indeed bitter

>>81593234
Apologies, didnt mean to give off an impression that i was standing high and mighty judging opinions on women or try infiltrate a useful space for men, was trying to just get a bit of understanding as to why, would be retarded to come on here thinking i can change majority opinion when i do agree with a fair amount of the general consensus

in terms of opinions, i guess mainly from the relationship and social conceptions perspective is something i want to understand a bit better

>>81593236
unless im wrong, probs for the same reason as you. kill time and occasionally give people my fagpilled opinion

>>81593287
Still not specific enough to be useful. a category of discourse is not a specific opinion. Are we talking no hymen no diamond, or no pussy no work, or the heightpill, or the wall, alpha fucks beta bux?

>in b4 yes all of it
come on, pick something

>>81593169 (OP)
Just plain disappointed by every foid I met. You know, you hang out with them. And they always end up revealing that they did something psycopathic. They bring out that shit in conversation, with zero shame or accountabilty. And it happens without exception. Whenever I get to know about a foid's life; she did that shit.

>>81593169 (OP)
>why do you all have these opinions on women
Personal experience and from hearing the collective experiences of other men, which are basically the same regardless of age, socioeconomical status and race

I really wish we could be friends and find a common understanding, but 99.99% of women out there are just gene selectors with little capacity for empathy and true friendship

>>81593169 (OP)
Kill yourself whore and leave my board.

>>81593169 (OP)
Incels were right about literally everything. Name one thing they were wrong about.

>>81593169 (OP)
They're generally unpleasant irl, either cold or outright hostile. And online you get to see just how much they despise low value males

Between 2022 and 2024, after decades of coping and denial, I came to a crystal-clear understanding that women just viciously despise men and there's nothing anyone can do about it, except adapting to that reality.

>>81593497
>women just viciously despise men
Only non-chad men.
They worship chads like gods.
All other men are scum to them though.

>>81593536
>They worship chads like gods.
I disagree, I think chad is just men's cope that genuine female affection for a man exists when in reality chad is just a
>donor of valuable genes
>a high value item to signal their status with
>a high value male that fulfills their autogynephilic self-love by GIVING them the love they want to receive
They don't love Chad, they want Chad's love. Chad's love is a dopamine hit, your love is a putrid substance that makes them dry heave.

But even those dopamine hits have a diminishing return and eventually Chad too goes through a devaluation phase, Chad gets divorced and discarded all the time after the novelty wears off and then they get devalued and dehumanized even further by being turned into one of those "40+ guys on dating apps memes". Genuine female affection for men does not exist, it's not a thing, it's biologically impossible.

>>81593169 (OP)
>this way
What way

>>81593606
>Chad gets divorced and discarded all the time after the novelty wears off and then they get devalued and dehumanized even further by being turned into one of those
It's true. Case in point: look up Kaka. Millionaire tall football player that got dumped because he became boring to her wife, lmao.

Knowing this truth is freeing, though. It enables you to stop chasing ghosts

>>81593624
MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY

>>81593657
What people need to understand is that women are actually incapable of seeing men as human beings. They can only understand one virtue, being female because that's what they are. They can relate to other females because that's what they are. Morality to them is simply defined around being female.

>>81593169 (OP)
It's because the only positive relationships I've had with women recently ended with them using me, to get off and for company and to have fun with. They never truly cared, and they'd all monkeybranch off to better looking men with more of their lives ahead of them.
I'm an old fuck and brown for reference, but maybe dont tell someone you love them and chase them when you have no intention of ever staying with them.

In your case, you seem decently educated so you're already better than any of those women and therefore unlikely to even give someone like me a chance in the first place.

>>81593169 (OP)
Women desire nothing more then to bewhores, no man alive will argue different

>>81593737
Don't self-deprecate anon. That's not a happy sight.

>>81593169 (OP)
I just don't like women. They're annoying and stupid, like children, but worse because for some misguided reason society grants them autonomy even though they can't wield it. This view is informed by personal observation.

>>81593169 (OP)
To me? Nothing, I did however nooticed some of the behaviors (monkey branching, ignoring flaws if the guy is attractive) that lead me to .is and I became a blackpiled truecel

>>81593169 (OP)
I'm 30 and no woman has ever approached me, and I know for a fact that I'm not THAT ugly. My female looksmatch would have no issues. So yes, I do know from personal experience that your gender is bullshit.

>>81593169 (OP)
>Why do you all think this way about 'foids'?
Because I've had horrible experiences with them. I could write an entire book about it. To put it simply, I am vomiting back up all the lies, contempt, disdain, and neglect they've given me. They've treated me like a subhuman my whole life. Women are manipulative narcissists who have somehow persuaded everyone they're little angels and princesses who can do no wrong. When in fact they're even worse than men because they're more manipulative and they have much more social power to make anyone's life absolutely miserable. Their male orbiters (slaves) are like pitbulls programmed to be manipulated into violently attacking anyone. Women generally encourage the worst in men. Put a woman in a group of male friends and the group will almost always implode. Women tell me that men physically fighting each other for them is incredibly hot. Women tell me they're superior to men. Some women get paid for existing by desperate retards and they tell me it's great. How can I trust them when they get wet by getting choked in bed or by watching me and another man kill each other? How can I respect them when their entire life strategy relies on gaslighting, deception, and manipulation? Even self-proclaimed submissive women expect men to be the active ones and do everything for them. "Dominant" men are manipulated into compliance by pussy. I have never seen a selfless woman, everything they do is for their own personal benefit.

>>81593169 (OP)
most people here are larping. i love the women in my life and genuinely prefer having female friends.

>>81593169 (OP)
My body count is in the 60s. I know women better than you do. That's more than the amount of friends you've ever had
Stupid bitch

>>81594229
>i love the women in my life
That's great ano-

>and genuinely prefer having female friends.
You're gay aren't you. Nothing wrong with that, just come out

>>81593737
I can't fault your logic, the women in my life are capable of some fucked things and if that was a repeating pattern in all my relationships, I'd feel the exact same way.

I do agree with the other reply that self-depreciation isn't a happy sight, it isn't productive and it'll get you trapped in a bad mental circlejerk. From my own and my fellow academics' experiences, my worthless little opinion is that more educated people tend to go for personality rather than looks. You seem like a genuinely nice guy in a rough spot and I really hope things start looking up for you :)

>>81593169 (OP)
No man cares if a foid is studying or employed.

>>81593657
Noone wants to be married to someone called "Kaka". Heck, if my wife was called "Kaka", I would also divorce her.

>>81593169 (OP)
Tldr is it's kit the fault of an NPC. We're mad at sellout politicians and rich fags who turned the world into shite. You just follow them like a good brainwashed pet you are.

>>81593169 (OP)
I've spent my entire life watching 50% of the population receive blatant favoritism while being told the other 50%, including me, is bad and is somehow privileged in spite of overwhelming empirical and anecdotal evidence. My Bayesian framework is utterly opposed to this worldview, and yet women will not stop lying to me.

During any attempts to engage with people who espouse these opinions, they have not even attempted to remain logical, resorting to a combination of lies and emotional attacks that I later came to realize can only accurately be described as gaslighting.

I would ask simple questions:
>What legal protections do you men have that women do not? I can think of several rights women have that men do not, and the sentencing disparity is enormous.
>Why are you focussing on the income and political power of the top 0.001% of men and applying this to all men? What about the homeless men on the local high street?
>Why do you feel that men cannot be the victims of sexism?
>Why do you think the top 0.001% of men have the best interests of other men at heart? What actions have they taken to lead you to believe this? It would seem they are actively oppressing other men. You believe misogyny can be internalized; why not misandry?
>Why do you never mention areas where women statistically fare better, such as education or life expectancy?

I've had to listen to female professors at a 75% female university complain about how women are disadvantaged in the admissions process for university. When I mentioned that 3/4 of the audience was female, studies have repeatedly shown women benefit from non-anonymized marking including MMIs, and that men, specifically White men, have been the least likely intersection to go to university for nearly 20 years, I was told this was all the product of toxic masculinity.

>>81595211
NTA, but life expectancy is a really dumb metric to use. That's like saying men are statistically fare better due to them being more likely to be born.

>Sentencing disparity being enormous.
I am honestly not sure why that is the case. One theory I have is that men are more likely to be convicted of violent crimes and that the justice system sees women more likely to rehabilitate than men which does seem to be the case to some extent.

>>81593169 (OP)
Lost a lot of friends because their gf would pressure them into kicking me out of the friendgroup

mostly up close experience with a bpd demon

>>81596327
so you hate all women because you met one mentally ill one?

>>81596334
no i think "this way" because of that. /r9k/ isnt one person. i hate all women because of my severe mommy issues and women are pathological people pleasers aka manipulators who push the idea they are forced to be manipulative by the people they manipulate and are allergic to taking responsibility for their behavior in that dynamic. why are you expecting me to have agency chud? im just a girl!

>>81593169 (OP)
It's very easy to hate foids these days, when they exclude the bottom 95-98% of men from sex, yet still try to use some of them.
No, I don't want the dating scam. I want a woman who wants to fuck me a lot, and not make my life a misery. Men can be very simple.
Instead, we're summarily rejected and blue-balled for all of our lives. Damn right that we are very resentful.
No, life has gotten shit enough that it's very difficult for men to succeed in working or a career, let alone support a family.
The miserable decline of the 21st century has led to ~2 generations of incel NEET men, with no place in society.
Meanwhile, foids get everything handed to them on a platter and get venerated for it. Though half of you seethe that you have to work at all.

>>81593169 (OP)
I'm decent looking, got a big dick and can ramble endlessly about any topic.
Guess what women I met were interested in, regardless of them being good looking or nerds?
Even my best friend I talked to every single day for hours for years and years left me while trying to hurt me as hard as possible because I refused to dick her down.

Jeet fags have better manners than women do.

>>81596404
You're halfway through the blackpill.
If women generally liked your looks, 90% would be using you for casual sex, possibly get pumped and dump you and then they'd find a pushover to leech dry maybe while keeping you around for sex.

>>81595162
>if my wife was called "Kaka", I would also divorce her.
i wouldn't

>>81594582
if he's not gay at the very least he likes Lain and is effeminate

>>81593169 (OP)
They are just bitter cause women arent fawning all over them and seething about it

>>81596151
>life expectancy is a really dumb metric to use.
It's not. We've selectively funded female-specific health issues by such a wide margin and for so long prostate cancer is now overtaking breast for mortality. I get that you're an oncologically and medically illiterate retard, but that's wild given how much more likely breast cancer is to metastasize aggressively, especially to the brain.

You seem to think that men dying sooner is some biological quirk. It's not.
>That's like saying men are statistically fare better due to them being more likely to be born.
When you see a widening gap, this is true, e.g. China, India.

>I am honestly not sure why that is the case.
Lol.

>One theory I have is that men are more likely to be convicted of violent crimes
We stratify for type of crime and severity/mitigating factors.

>>81596519
Well that's the sad thing. I get likes and matches, but it never leads to sex. Was Friend Zoned once in my teens; never again.
At this point, things are so shit that I just want to have some regular sex. Love is a ridiculous idea these days, and forget about loyalty/fidelity.
Sadly, I have much more chance of being blown by a faggot, than by even an old woman. Fuck apps and social media ruined everything.

>>81596903
It genuinely has to do with biology you worthless fucktard(and to some extent lifestyle factor). Go fucking see with your own eyes about the life expectancy for other countries dumbfuck. Anyone that thinks it dosen't have anything to do with biology is braindead.

>We stratify for type of crime and severity/mitigating factors.
Even then, when women and men commit the same type of crime. The women would be more likely to be rehabilitated compared to men.

>>81597491
Fuck those broads at their stupid games, if I don't find love I'll become a monk.

>>81593169 (OP)
You're all monsters, every single one of you. Any man who kills a woman does so in self defense.

>>81593169 (OP)
I'm old. Lots of experience. Two marriages. The opinions are fact derived.

For females love and sex come easy. It just comes to you and there's nothing you can do to avoid it. For males it's the exact opposite. You could EASILY spend a life solo and unwanted if you aren't constantly working and driving yourself to get attention.

And on top of that women are given bumper lanes and booster seats in the working world so they make more money than you also so you're double fucked because she's now economically taller than you and won't find you attractive.

The vast, vast majority of men are absolutely permanently btfo but the average female can work at Petco her entire life and basically live well.

>>81593169 (OP)
because we have something better than anecdotal evidence, we have statistics and peer reviewed studies. e.g. pic related.
I have an entire fcking folder full of statistics like those.

Well and that just in general theres a whole different dynamic when it comes to dating and finding partners for men and women.
Women basically just have to exist in a space where there are also men around, and they will get attention, prospective male partners approaching them and introducing themselfes for her to decide weither they are worthy of her attention or not.

Men actually have to do the approaching and getting rejected. and even good looking dudes have actually pretty high rejection rates, while for average and below dudes? its fucking abysmal.
So a lot of men, especially those on the lower end of the looks scale are jelly and salty that when it comes to finding someone who's interested in you, female play on baby-tutorial difficulty while males are forced to play on extreme-darksouls difficulty.

I just hate myself so I take it out on women online sometimes
Im nice to them In real life

>>81599250
What happened anon? Can you tell us more?

I've never married and I thought I wanted to up until now, also due to personal experiences and from hearing other men

>>81597491
>I get likes and matches, but it never leads to sex
Not even sex leads to love anymore. What's the point