>tranny thoughts since child
>like feminine things but love being friends with guys without it being weird
>larped as male online so i can have male friends
>spent 2 years identifying as trans as a teenager
>still think about being a male incel, having a penis, etc regularly

i would be a total psycho as a man so i dont really wanna be one but i still think about it so often. i feel like a retarded pickme whore for even feeling that way and i cant even tell anyone how i feel because theyd groom me into trooning again

>>81607919 (OP)
dont listen to goontroons just be a tomboy. boys love that shit.

>>81607959
thats kinda an issue, because every time i get close to guys they get weird. i like normal male friendships, me being a woman has ruined so many

Are you a lesbian? If not, you really shouldn't date a man and be friends with other men. The only exception maybe being couples where you are friends with both parties. If you are a lesbian, you need to make that extremely clear, but you will probably still have straight moids trying to fuck you.

>>81607919 (OP)
Just troon out already
>Grooming
Telling a cancer patient to get chemotherapy is grooming too? Idiot

>>81608038
i like both, but every guy ive dated (edated lol) has been fine with having online guy friends. they usually have online women friends too. i dont think it matters that much

>>81608038
transitioning is unnatural and abnormal

>>81608014
huh. have you tried being friends with gay dudes? they wont try to get in your pants so it might be what you're looking for, sorta.

>>81608053
>"ACKshually, hormonal and genital mutilation is the exact same as curing cancer"
OP don't listen to the groomers, be a flamboyant tomboy, you just need a shy autistic man like me to share any stuff you want to without it being "weird"

>>81608068
>Unnatural and abnormal
So is shitposting on the internet, but that never stopped you. If being miserable is natural and normal, will you do it?

>>81608078
this is it
OP, you just need to befriend a top
they're like straight guys in terms of interest and they wont try to get in your pants because they like penises

>>81608078
People actually die from gender dysphoria though. Medicine is for alleviating human suffering, not for conforming to your binary morality of sex and gender.

>incels can't stop telling a girl that the solution to her problems is a man
They will never see you as a boy, but if you transition, no one on earth will ever think of you as anything other than a man

>>81608068
I'm okay with you having online friends, and I want to date or edate you, based tomboy anon. I want a relationship with a woman who I can treat like a bro.

>>81608091
I wish that they classified gender dysphoria as a mental disorder so that the proper people can get treated when diagnosed. They give hormones to anyone who wants to be the other gender for whatever reason. Its a become a fandom of larps

>>81608074
i haven't really met any gay dudes but id give one a chance. desu i dont even think ive met a fully gay dude

>>81608091
i think id be insanely depressed either way

im fine with being a woman. transitioning to male isn't exactly what i want, i want to BE male. transitioning, id just be a surgically and medically mutated woman with MAYBE a skin graph pump dick. i cant feel pleasure, i cant experience the same things a regular man would

>>81608110
they want birth rates to drop any way they possibly can lmao, giving it to whoever and letting them ruin themselves is an easy way to do it, plus you get more money (unless they sue)

>>81608132
>they want birth rates to drop any way they possibly can lmao
Thought they wanted them to rise.
Personally I want the same cause I'm an antinatalist, but promoting trooning is probably the least effective way to go about it. Theres probably better ways, women these days are scared to have kids I think.

>>81608110
>They give hormones to anyone who wants to be the other gender for whatever reason
You know nothing. It doesn't work like that. It takes years of therapy and follow up to get a prescription if you want to do it legally

>>81608110
>They give hormones to anyone who wants to be the other gender for whatever reason
What reason could there be other than literal gender dysphoria? Someone who goes out of their way to ask a doctor to change sex is obviously going through some stuff. That is the pinnacle of their self discovery journey, not just another opportunity for being gaslighted and gatekept by a transphobic shitlord like you who wants to tell them they're not true trans and their feelings aren't valid

>>81608151
youre probably right, but its still a way to get them to drop while also increasing profits. doctors love money more than anyone

a lot of modern day feminism has caused a lotta women to be scared of having kids. every other woman i know doesnt want them. they really hammer in the fact childbirth is extremely painful and ruins your body. doesnt help a portion of men will cheat, and the loud minority who were affected by cheating like that will warn everyone wholl listen

>>81608132
>transitioning, id just be a surgically and medically mutated woman
Who looks exactly like a man apart from the penis sleeve thing, which I agree doesn't look good.
The point is, that's as good as it gets in the "become male" department. If it's not for you, great.
But anyone can see through the many layers of repression, the little pooner screaming from inside the female shell, begging to be released
Whatever you do, just make sure you're following your own rule, and not someone else's binding

fucking hilarious that pooners are already trying to groom her. you're not convincing her, retards. YWNBAM.

>>81607919 (OP)
>>81608093
>>81608206
If you're going to samefag this hard, at least change filenames

>>81607919 (OP)
what country you live in? are people mostly tolerant of it there?

>>81608218
So convincing a trans to detrans is based, while the opposite is grooming?
Very inconsistent like most incel worldviews

>>81608231
Anyone with a phone saves pictures like that, dummy. What kinda of retard doesn't phonepost in 2025? A virgin one

>>81608218
they usually do

>>81608246
im in a country that wouldn't care about it but thats not even my issue with doing it

>>81608231
cant be lazy mobile posters ig lmao

>>81608163
>>81608185
>Someone who goes out of their way to ask a doctor to change sex is obviously going through some stuff.
Yeah, some stuff that can easily be misclassified as gender dysphoria when it can be as simple as disliking how you look as a person. I mean hey, if you want to try and solve a different problem by trasitioning, by all means, go ahead, its your life. Just isn't wise.
And the "fandom" part I was talking about was more so about the people who identify just for the sake of it, they don't care enough to transition other than socially. Its the same thing as identifying with depression or something. Takes away from the actual people that have it. I'm not transphobic for the record, I just don't like the ignorant larpies, and that goes for everyone.

>>81608277
autism and other mental disorders/disabilities can make women feel disconnected from being a "woman" as well which makes them confused and may make them think about switching genders or being "non binary". idk if it can be the same for guys too. theres just a lotta reasons someone may try transitioning other than dysphoria. theres also transmaxxing shit

also i used to think this could be the case for me since im autistic but i feel like its lasted too long and is too specific to just be that

>>81608271
So you think the people trying to convince you to go full trans are grooming
But the ones convincing you to repress are not?

>>81608277
People who dislike how they look don't go out to change their gender as a first resort.
You are downplaying and minimizing the struggle of trans people using the very same tactics that were used to oppress gay people in the past 50 years
>You're not gay, just confused
Typical

>>81608277
>they don't care enough to transition other than socially
It's their right. You don't get to decide who is true trans and who isn't, who is legitimate and who is a larper, who is worthy of changing and who's not. That's not your call. That's not for you to get.

>>81608335
theres no true happiness either way. i think transitioning would make me more depressed, because it sets in that im not a real man. i mean, i identified as male for 2 years. i felt like shit both ways. and i still like girly things

>>81607919 (OP)
Be my AAP wife and take anavar, I fucking love fit girls and maybe you'll feel better if I encourage you to lift more and genuinely mire your gains.
And you can be friends with my male friends if you're cool, they won't get weird because they aren't starved of female social attention.

>>81608389
I think that's just repressor bullshit from someone who's afraid to go all the way. But since it's your life, not mine, I can't do anything about it and I mustn't care

>>81608389
>i identified as male
>While still looking like a girl
You either want to look like a man or you don't. All else is bullshit. Would you like to have a beard, a muscular frame, body hair, deep voice? I don't give a fuck about how you identify. What matters is how much of your body you want changed
The changes are irreversible so you better be sure

>>81608431
when did i say i looked like a girl? strangers called me male so i passed decent, wore a binder etc etc. i have a stocky frame too

idk. i WANT to be male, with a working penis and a kinda muscular body. but i want to be born that way. itll never make sense

>>81608480
> i WANT to be male
Yeah we talked about that before. It's not what I asked though. Please don't evade the question, this is very important.
You can't have a penis, but you can change your body and make it muscular and hairy, you can change your face and make it bearded, you can change your voice and make it deeper
Those are the things that are possible. Do you want those changes done to your body, or not?
Please drop the existential bs for one minute and think practically
Do you want to change your body and make it look manlier?

>>81608480
>i WANT [things that aren't possible]
Cool. Now back to reality. Here's a list of what you can have:
>Beard
>Muscles
>Frame
>Deep voice
>Body hair
Do you want those changes or not?

>>81607919 (OP)
Are you attracted to women? And why would you think about being incel? You were born a foid use that to your advantage in life

>>81607919 (OP)
You're probably like four feet tall and skinny as a twig. Just because you have short hair doesn't make you a boy.

>>81608544
its hard to answer without being a bit existential. the short answer is simply no

but its because i wouldnt get what i want from transitioning. im still fine with being female, looking female. but if i could flip the switch i would

>>81607919 (OP)
try being in the same situation but having masculine interests and being only attracted to men
i definitely feel like a retarded pick me lol it's not fun

>>81608347
>People who dislike how they look don't go out to change their gender as a first resort.
Some do, ask people who've detransitioned.
>>81608358
>That's not your call.
Never said it was. We're all just saying our opinions, and that was mine, again, by all means, do what you want. Lol.

>>81608588
>im still fine with being female, looking female
If that's true, you shouldn't transition because you know damn well that's irreversible for pooners and the last thing we all need is one more detrans filling the ranks of transphobia giving them ammunition to use against us

>>81608634
Most detrans only detransioned because of family acceptance issues, only like 5% did it because of the results.

>>81608646
Personally I've known a lot of people that socially transitioned but detransitioned after a year or two. They didn't go down the medical pineline bit yet, but thats for the better.
Theres a difference between saying "you're just confused" to someone who's gay than to someone who's trans. Medical transitioning isn't reversible.

>>81608571
im attracted to both

also since im lonely, severely autistic and shit as a woman, i feel like id very much be an incel as a dude, especiallyif i lived my life entirely the same. the only reason i get anything is because im a woman

>>81608582
im 5'8 broad shouldered and overweight

>>81608612
i find it annoying how manly interests makes people call us pickmes

its another reason i want to be a man lmao

>>81608635
im aware. another reason why i wont. if i end up hating it ill just be a ruined woman wholl be brought up as another sad case my whole life. itd be miserable

>>81607919 (OP)
Tomboys are sought after, pooners are not, don't be a retard.

>>81608686
>its another reason i want to be a man lmao
If its all outwards reasons (has to do with how other people perceive you) then its not a good reason.
It needs to be worth it to yourself and only yourself, its okay to filter in some of society, but its most important that you're actually doing it for yourself and not for other people or you might end up regretting it.

>>81608670
>Theres a difference between saying "you're just confused" to someone who's gay than to someone who's trans
No there isn't. You're just hopping on the train that their transexuality is not real, not valid, and just a fad. Medicalization is an issue between a patient and their doctor, not between randoms on the internet who feel like they get to police transexuality, like you're the one responsible for smelling the moles and ratting them out. You are just being a zealot, that's all.

>>81608714
>No there isn't.
Yeah there is, I'm doubling down on that.
By identifying as gay, you're not really hurting anyone or yourself. Misidentifying as trans though can result in irreversible medical changes if you don't check yourself and end up regretting it.
>You're just hopping on the train that their transexuality is not real, not valid, and just a fad. Medicalization is an issue between a patient and their doctor, not between randoms on the internet who feel like they get to police transexuality, like you're the one responsible for smelling the moles and ratting them out. You are just being a zealot, that's all.
I'm getting the impression that you're not reading anything I've said at all. I've gone over all of this already.
Lighting round.
>You're just hopping on the train that their transexuality is not real, not valid, and just a fad.
Some isn't
>Medicalization is an issue between a patient and their doctor, not between randoms on the internet who feel like they get to police transexuality, like you're the one responsible for smelling the moles and ratting them out.
I'm voicing my opinions. I'll repeat, by all means, its your life, do what you want.
>You are just being a zealot, that's all.
I'm using logic and being reasonable.

>>81608686
yeah i dislike the pick me thing, i think that the idea of pick me girls/performative men ends up reinforcing gender roles in a way
i wish i could live two lives, one (which i will live) where i am a girl and have mostly female friends, and can get a romantic partner a lot easier which is extremely important to me
and another one where i transition and can go through life as a man, making male friends easily and try my hardest to be in a long term relationship but i would expect a lot less
in that life another bonus is i could go all into my interests without having to be a little detached and ironic about them so i'm not seen as pandering to men, and also would not be seen as 'attention seeking' by men

>>81608786
oh it does. it also just makes people feel like shit for having interests

i really understand where youre coming with that. i used to pretend to be male online in discords and made amazing friends and could discuss my interests freely without judgement. after about 7-8 months of friendship, i finally told them, and they literally instantly changed and called me a whore until the server got deleted. its genuinely bullshit, and its insane that they changed so fast

>>81608786
Everything "trans" about you is regarding other people and exterior factors. You clearly cling to your female appearance and have no wish to look manlier. You are clearly no true trans. Just a girl being tbe very sort of trendy fake trans that does so much damage to our cause.
Stop saying you're trans, fake pooner

>>81608916
That's so funny, never reacted this badly, not even when it was an underaged faggot catfishing me.

>>81608762
>Misidentifying as trans =/= medical transitioning
You're still not hurting anyone, not even yourself. You're just getting what you asked for. You would never say anything about the institution of marriage to the millions of women who regretted getting married to their husband. You would only blame their personal choices, not the marriage superstructure.
You are biased as fuck

>>81608986
All pooners are fake, dummy

>>81608762
>Some isn't
You're not the arbiter who decides who is and who isn't a tranny. You're just a bigoted zealot trying to police transexuality like you had some authority.

>>81608986
Based gatekeeping pooner, at least you're not grooming them into mutilating.

>>81608916
that's so horrible, i guess it's discord and i hope most people aren't like that but still.
btw are you in the female repressor threads on /lgbt/? i've been using them for the past week

>>81607919 (OP)
>still think about being a male incel
Even women want to be is, total incel victory

>>81609015
>You are biased as fuck
And you are still continuing to not understand anything I'm saying.
Its pretty frustrating so I'm gonna stop replying to you.

>>81609024
What part of "its just my opinion" do you not understand
You don't win an argument by being insufferable

>>81609026
Because there's no such thing as grooming trans people, that's conservative propaganda and moral panic. They accused gays of the same thing back in the day.
I listened to her case. She explained her thoughts. It's clear that her "tranny issues" revolve around being accepted into male environments without being preyed upon. It had nothing to do with her own body or her own perception of herself. She is clearly very fine tuned to her femininity, she clings to it and knows how to exploit it to get what she wants.
So basically she is not trans, just another cis girl dying for attention.

>>81609043
Your opinion is basically being a zealot putting yourself in an authority position to decide who is a legitimate trans and who isn't. You are entitled to your opinion, it's just a shitty one

>>81609029
i dont use /lgbt/, i haven't even checked it in years now. i might check those threads tho, im kinda curious about the threads. its probably better than complaining here

people on discord are such a mixed bag. theres a lotta shit people but ive found some nice ones

>>81609063
>it's just a shitty one
And thats also an opinion, lol
I'm not an authority figure, I don't think I should have to tell you that. I'm not trying to force anyones head down, just educating.
How many times to I have to repeat "by all means, do what you want"? You mad as hell

>>81609035
I understood it perfectly, and it's a shitty stance. You think someone should gatekeep the fake trans out of transitioning.
But that's not your business. If a person is going to make dumb decisions and regret them later, you blame the individual, not the entire medical field of transitioning. You don't take transition away from the legit trans because of that one in a thousand dumb cis girl who will regret getting her boobs cut off

>>81609055
You think I live on Mars?
Axewound type tranny men do groom people into ruining themselves, I've seen it, even on this board.

>>81609106
>grooming people anonymously
This is why your opinion is shit. You are the type of person who would accuse accepting families of grooming their LGBT children

>>81609122
>anonymously
Which goes straight to discord brainiac.
And you bet your zippertits I think parents that let children get mutilated deserve a pyre.

>>81609148
>I'm not a bigoted zealot, I swear
>Trans children and their families deserve death
Into the garbage your opinion goes

>>81609078
i think it's better, people here are known to be really misogynistic. also, i feel like as bad as discord and a lot of online communities are, it's kind of a blessing to live in a time where you can be perceived as whatever you want in certain spaces, i think if i was born 50 years ago i'd be really jealous

>>81609091
nta but trannies should be able to get medicine because they are basically hermaphrodite-esque with brains resembling the other sex, but people shouldn't have to play pretend that a trans woman is actually a woman when it's very obviously a man who has medical intervention to better resemble the physical characteristics of a woman.

>>81609158
Oh, you're just baiting
I don't get where you get off with this shit. Just to make random people online seethe? What a waste of time.

>>81609179
It's a common courtesy. You wouldn't understand, you have no empathy. You're just looking for excuses to be mean to trannies.

>>81609158
You realise I'm another anon and a manly man with a big non mutilated hog?
Kids deserve not to be mutilated, a high bar these days I know.

>>81609194
Wrong, it's about truth. I don't think it's ever morally justified to coerce people into telling lies. I still use their preferred pronouns because that's just a contrivance of language, but I'm never going to pretend that they are actually the sex they want to be, that would be retarded.

>>81609196
No sex reassignment surgery is done on minors though. Top surgery is done on 16 years old, and you know who benefits the most?
Cis boys with gynecomastia. Which is also gender affirming care. So apparently you're okay with mutilation when it suits cis people

>>81609194
It's not just a common courtesy when you need interventions of the law to enforce it.

>>81609204
>No sex reassignment is done on minors
Wrong. It's rare but it happens. Usually discouraged by doctors, at least.

>>81609201
If it was about tbe truth, you'd be running your mouth in every church denouncing their delusions and fake beliefs. You'd be screaming at adopted children that their parents aren't real, you would tell the handicapped that they're defective burdens on society, you would tell orphans that their parents didn't want them, you would tell terminal cancer patients that they're just about to die.
But you do none of those because it would be rude.
It's not about truth at all, it's about being unnecessarily cruel to trannies for your own amusement.

>>81609204
Pitching in cause I heard gyne, I have it, its not really just about gender affirming care. The hormone imbalance that caused it is unhealthy, my gyne also hurts and that bothers me, thats why I'd get the surgery.

>>81609223
No bottom surgery is done on minors except for very rare cases of genital malformation, and even so it's not gender reassignment, so you're wrong again.
You are once again fine with mutilation if it suits cis people

>>81609207
You need interventions of the law to not call people niggers too.
It shows how much courtesy is lacking in society when the law has to interfere and stop you from being a bully.

>>81607919 (OP)
i can relate to this besides tranny thoughts since childhood and identifying as trans. i am making zero efforts to "pass" as a guy but in my brain, i am a guy. i have never been able to fit in with girls and felt extremely uncomfortable with how i am treated for being one, being a boy is just superior in every way. i would be an incel as a guy but it doesn't matter, i would rather be born male in a heartbeat because my life would be so much better. all of these thoughts make me feel like a pickme too and i hate myself. i truly belong nowhere.

>>81609232
>The hormone imbalance that caused it
That won't be fixed by mutilating your man tities. Tities bother pooners too, and they also hurt.
You're okay with mutilation when it's for you.

>>81609238
I know this might be too much for your dysphoria to handle, but there is in fact a difference between fixing maladaptive body parts and "fixing" perfectly fine and healthy body parts because an impressionable and insecure kid felt weird about their gender.

>>81609254
>You need interventions of the law to not call people niggers too.
No you don't, nigger.

>>81609282
Why are you dodging the fact that sex reassignment surgeries are not done on minors and you just lied about it?

>>81609292
You need them. Even if you don't want them, it's what you need.

>>81609305
Tell me more, zipper-tits

>>81609309
I don't, because there's nothing wrong with calling you a nigger just like there's nothing wrong with telling someone they're biologically male or female.

>>81609267
>That won't be fixed by mutilating your man tities
I'm also fixing the imbalance.
I'm also not part of this debate.

>>81609254
Yeah I'm the bully and not the one that wants to force me to lie.

cant believe this threads still up. completely derailed by arguments lmao

Have you thought about getting a boyfriend?

>>81610710
obviously dude. ive had online ones

>>81608014
It is because men and women are meant to get married and have children. You need to get a husband not a friend

>>81610790
OR i could have friends too

>>81607919 (OP)
why do you want to be a moid?

>>still think about being a male incel, having a penis, etc regularly
>tfw think about being a femcel, having a vagina, etc regularly
iwnbaw

>>81610838
we need to swap bodies anon

theres a lot of social and kinda dysphoric reasons? like i like having a female body because im attracted to women but i feel like i was meant to be born a man

i romanticise being a male, having male friendships, not being fucking interrogated over my interests is a bonus as well

>>81607919 (OP)
I want female friends. Be my friend. I dont get weird with girls since I only like girls that like me and even then I have to really be into them.

>>81610878
>we need to swap bodies anon
what's the catch?

>like i like having a female body because im attracted to women
if you like having a female body then there's literally no point of trooning out
what would you say are the biggest advantages and disadvantages of a female body

>>81610819
Make friends with your own gender slut

>>81610930
whatre your interests anon?

>>81610935
the catch is we're both happy

im not gonna troon because i wouldnt be a proper male anyways and if im ok with it theres no point

>advantages
i can wear cute clothes and not look too weird

>disadvantages
sexual harassment

>>81610741
have you thought about getting a permanent boyfriend?
then you can have a male friend forever

>>81611027
im not exactly the one leaving them lmao. they always leave me

This thread has been very interesting for seeing how tranny groomers work. Evil is the only word I can use to describes those things.

>>81611019
>the catch is we're both happy
i mean both of our bodies aren't perfect

>if im ok with it theres no point
yeah if you like your body then there's no point in messing with it

>sexual harassment
that's definitely a bad one and i would hate it as a woman as well
but you don't mind periods or other female specific health issues?

>>81611097
i forget periods actually exist because ive been taking meds to stop them for 4 years (not birth control). mine were excruciating because i have pcos. its not severe pcos at least, i just have pain if i get periods, and i have way lower T than average pcos women

>bodies arent perfect
its still something

i guess id probably get a better deal tho

>>81611139
>and i have way lower T than average pcos women
idk enough about pcos is this a good or bad thing to have high t as a woman

>i guess id probably get a better deal tho
if you swapped with me you'd be a weak manlet with a small dick but at least i don't have serious health issues