Thread 81622640

Feminists are now demanding to be used as baby incubators. We won incel bros

>>81622640 (OP)
Don't fall for the siren.
Political beliefs are inherited. Your daughters will end up being feminist. She's trying to steal your seed

>>81622640 (OP)
it's a good plan.
>take money from billionaire
>take baby from billionaire

>>81622640 (OP)
They're still gonna find some way to victimize men

>>81622640 (OP)
It's hilarious to me that Western politicians are panicking about the birth rate issue when it's been a predicted, known outcome for decades. Japan and Korea have been experienced it for a while now and the rest of the capitalist world is just playing catch-up. Fucking Boomers make houses cost a small fortune and then scratch their head when young people decide "wtf I'm too poor to have kids fuck that shit I'll just enjoy being an adult". Old people will do literally anything to solve a problem except for implementing the actual solution: BUILD MORE FUCKING HOUSES!!!!

>>81622640 (OP)
>Op read the article that literally says pay us to have kids
>WE WON
if I believed in IQ yours would be very low

>>81622640 (OP)
>give single mothers money so they can slut around and be 100% protected from consequences
Lol no shit feminists want this.

>>81622666
My dad always warned me not to become a father. I was confused why, but I know now. Thanks dad.

>>81622691
I want kids but I also want a loving attractive wife and I don't know what to do about that because they're so mutually exclusive

>>81622666
You mean victimize themselves and then blame men.

>>81622678
>BUILD MORE FUCKING HOUSES!!!!
They tried that. It caused the 2008 crash, remember?

>>81622678
>BUILD MORE FUCKING HOUSES!!!!
It's not that simple because houses an hour out in the countryside aren't desirable to young people. Where the houses are built and what kind of houses are built matter a lot. The real thing to fix is financing. Low risk loans drive prices up.

>>81622724
they tried giving out more loans, not building more houses

>>81622724
No, that was unsecured home loans to niggers and other high risk types that previously they would not lend to.

>>81622691
Right's better. What are you, gay?

>>81622724
Are you retarded? The crash happened because people refused to pay home loans.

>>81622678
There are enough houses, look at how they shove 30 jeets into an apartment. Their concern is maintaining access to a large pool of labor that accepts living like cattle in an industrial farm and will work for as little money as possible. With an educated, low birthrate population used to higher quality of life this is no longer possible, which is why they are importing the entire third world. Shame, better tech and automation along with low birthrates would have created a paradise where everyone has more resources and needs to work less, but the richfags couldn't let that happen because it breaks their control over you

>>81622640 (OP)
>"We need massive handouts of money to have kids"
>meanwhile Afghani women are shitting out a dozen kids while living in a cinderblock hut smaller than your bathroom

>>81622833
>refused to pay
More like they gave out loans to people they knew would be unable to pay because the government was taking on the risk.

>>81622724
That didn't happen, but let's say it did. Okay, why should everyone have to pay a million dollars for a house just because the stock market didn't like it once? I think housing should be cheap even if it blows up your stock portfolio, boomerfag.

>>81622894
Based and picrel-pilled

>>81622914
This just isn't reality. Muslim birth rates have been dropping too. Every single demographic and country has, except for Haredi Jews and possibly Amish people.

>>81622895
I mean yeah they were culpable for it but there were also a lot of retarded people who took out loans they couldn't pay

>>81622640 (OP)
>Feminists are now demanding to be used as baby incubators.
>We won incel bros
Lol wut?
You realize what their "solution" is right?
>Give us more tax money for shitting out cunt turds from violent psychos.
>Let family court destroy the dads rights even more!
>Less accountability for single moms fucking up future generations!
>More companies using DEI to prop up boss babes and less accountability for their fuck ups
Incase you haven't been paying attention for all of human history, womens solutions lead to the problem being worse
>Ban guns to end gun violence! OH NO WHY ARE ALL THE CARTELS ABLE TO GAIN MASSIVE CONTROL!
>No fault divorce is necessary! NO WHY ARE DIVORCE RATES SKY HIGH ANS NOW MEN DON'T WANT TO MARRY!
>Women should be allowed in the workplace! NOOOOO WHY HAVE WAGES BEEN MASSIVELY SUPPRESSED AND BUSINESSES LOSE TOP TALENT TO HARASSMENT ALLEGATIONS!
>>81622682
this guy gets it
>>81622914
It's not just cost of raising kids right, it's the government intervention at every step that has massive consequences that can cost you big
>CPS can decide to take your kids cause some frumpy lesbian has a bug up her ass
>Smack you whore daughter for being a whore, end up locked up with a record and no future employment prospects cause you are a felon and your slut daughter is a single mom
>Mom decides she is unhappy? DIVORCE TIME! AND YOU NEVER SEE YOUR KIDS AGAIN OR CAN PRESENT YOUR WHORE EX'S POOR BEHAVIOR AS EVIDENCE
Government can get involved in ways that will fuck up both you and your kid. And if the government doesn't do it your wife weighing the options of cash and prizes for divorcing you will.
Meanwhile in the middle east your kids are free labor for the family and the dad runs the houshold while the mom is ruined if she decides to destroy her family to "find herself"

>>81622678
>BUILD MORE FUCKING HOUSES!!!!
I don't think you understand the nature of the problem. The government isn't really concerned about a falling birth rate, to them that's just another excuse to say "WE NEED MOAR IMMIGRANTS NAO!"

Likewise they're not concerned with home ownership becoming an unattainable dream. When they bring in millions of immigrants every year do you think they're surprised when unemployment goes up, wages go down, and housing prices increase exponentially? Of course they're not surprised, those results were the goal all along.

>>81622898
I agree, housing should be cheap. Especially with all the un-lived-in homes.

>>81622894
The clearpill solution is to get rid of birth control since poor countries don't have it and they shit out loads of kids.
women will seethe and say they'll stop having sex, but they won't stop (remember the 4b movement american women tried to do)
They'll still breakdance on chad's cock since they're biologically hard-wired to do so, and the birth rate will go back up.

>>81623165
>I don't think you understand the nature of the problem.
putting people in houses that already exist is easier than importing immigrants

>>81623260
>putting people in houses that already exist is easier than importing immigrants
Okay, so why do you think they keep importing immigrants?

>>81622678

The real answer is to subjugate women and reinstitute patriarchy again. Women forgo their obligation to birth and raise the next generation if given the option to. Birth control, condoms, and abortion have only made this forgoing reach a critical threshold.

>>81622968
You can't expect people to behave as if moral hazard weren't impacting their incentives, you can only address it by removing the moral hazard

>>81623318
Refer to >>81622841
Unoriginally

>>81622841
Extremely blackpilling post, holy shit. How does one even cope with having their whole life ruined like this, when I was a kid I too thought technology developing further would mean prosperity for everyone

>>81623377
Did you take into count people use to own people for shits and giggles

>>81622640 (OP)
I just to have sex with a foid and raise a family with her without her stabbing me in the back like the foidinists teach them to do

>>81623386
I was lied to and told that was a thing of the past never to be repeated, of course.

>>81623415
I mean if I asked you which you like more socialism or capitalism and can kind of assume your knee jerk reaction would be gommunism! So I don't really think you care when people treat others as disposable slaves etc

>>81623415
They had a reason to meme you into believing that and throw you some bones when the Soviet Union was around so the masses would let capitalism survive until they could make the SU collapse, once it was gone things started becoming increasingly worse. All it took was 30 or so years

>>81623103
>boomer uncle crashout
>paragraphs of cringe tangential issues
Just go to church or something man. Politics becoming your hugbox is how people get manipulated.

>>81623318
because the cultural capital you get from an established national is worth less than the non socialist labor power of an immigrant

>>81623477
>union-breaking
>scabs
Read about the history of labour movements. The old school right (the one discredited in the 1920s and 1930s) has been working for a hundred years to enslave the middle class again.

>>81622724
The 2008 crash was about dealing with gentrification
Poor black people were being priced out of their homes when affluent hipsters started moving in. Bill Clinton and his Community Redevelopment act wanted them to benefit from gentrification. They couldn't profit as renters, but as owners they could appreciate 6 figure returns from housing increasing in value
The problem was these inner city people didn't have the credit for mortgages, so the fiscal standards of these mortgages had to be lowered for these sub prime borrowers
And when you lower standards so that more minorities can participate the results are inevitable

>>81623472
I also believe this. The mixed socialist-capitalist societies that arose during the cold war have slowly shed their socialist traits over the decades since the Soviet Union's collapse. Amazing that all that was keeping them from doing this earlier was a bunch of Russians with nukes pointed at them, they will only let you have a crumb of quality in your life when they have a commie with a gun to their heads

>>81623521
>Read about the history of labour movements.
Maybe if all the professors interested in this weren't communist scum you could get something useful out of this, but as-is it's just a bunch of propaganda.

>>81623567
>implying socialist policies improve the lives of common people

>>81623669
Just use a search engine anon.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

>>81623521
i just mean to say an immigrant that just buys the script of working and renting and raising a family is more of a model citizen then a family that has always been in Canada but doesn't need to work as hard

>>81623706
In moderation, just look at how Sweden was a paradise before the retardation with immigration. But they don't even want them in moderation, they want a return to the masses being serfs while they hold all the wealth

>>81622640 (OP)
So tired of this board being filled with retards. The argument they're making is basically that we don't support women/mothers or take their concerns about bodily autonomy seriously so they're all terrified of having kids.

>>81623839
Everyone is terrified of having kids even if they want them. Murdering babies because you suck at thinking isn't a natural right.

>>81623839
"We" don't have any effect on those things.

>>81623742
>implying that article isn't maintained primarily by marxists

>>81623839
>or take their concerns about bodily autonomy seriously
I'll take their concerns seriously when they repeal the selective service act. Until then they're valuing my autonomy less than societal survival and their own autonomy more.

Typical criminal mentality, now we will extort you.

>>81624060
>You will own nothing and be happy
You're like a Pavlov's dog trained to bark at scary buzzwords while you get fucked up the ass by corporations and cheer them on because you're too dumb to know better. Stick to seething about trannies you hate jerk it to

>>81622640 (OP)
Proof women hate their own babies

>>81623521
Look at California to see the modern left
It's a union between the super rich and desperately poor
The rich people live in gated communities. Tiny Bubbles meant to insulate them from the consequences of their ideology like Martha's Vineyard. The people there put up signs saying no human is illegal everyone is welcome and within 72 hours of refugees arriving in their community they deported all of them to a military base. If you look at California you will see black markets, people selling things on the side of the road not paying any taxes. You'll have people breaking every code in the book with a property full of wild dogs, old washing machines, violating every code in the book. The busy bodies ignore them, they would be in real danger visiting the property and nothing would change. Instead they go after the middle class, trying to ban internal combustion engine cars or gas burners in homes. Being in favor of the abstract good of the environment, with an out of sight out of mind attitude as to where their Lithium was coming from for their batteries or how those batteries were being made in China

>>81624060
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
Whenever something is political on Wikipedia I check the talk page.
If 4chan goes down I might spend the rest of my life shit posting there.

>>81622894
Because the Afghan woman is uneducated. Education for women absolutely kills birthrates. This is a universal phenomenon, no matter where in the world women become educated it's immediately followed by a plummeting birthrate.

You educate a woman, she uses it to get some makework bullshit meme job that allows her to waste her fertility window wagecucking for Mr. Shekelberg and whoring around in Chad's harem. You don't educate her, she seeks out a successful man to have a family with because that's her only path to a better life. Throwing gibs at educated career women to have kids will, at best, result in break even birthrates. If you just ban student loans for meme degrees that would do 10x more to increase birthrates while also solving another problem (student debt).

>>81624270
You think I'm like this because I couldn't see through capitalist propaganda, but I'm actually like this because I could see through marxist propaganda.

>>81624539
>heads I win
>tails you lose
It's a sucker's game either way anon. You're supposed to recognize the con.

>>81624368
I mean look at all these citations of a historical fiction book written by some no-name leftist

>>81624770
This is what the left used to be in the US. Who knows what the fuck happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ne13Zft9Q

>>81624770
Actually those are citations to this nonfiction history book written in 1990. I understand why a conservafreak would have a problem with reading books though.

>>81624929
here's the critique from the talk page he was referencing
>A large portion of the article relies on a single source - specifically Savage, 1990. At the time fo writing, citations 13-33 are almost entirely drawn from this work. This encompasses large blocks of the Background and Battle Sections

>I'm uncertain about the quality of this source. It's written more like a novel that a factual historical account, using performative language and recounting specific conversations in a level of detail I find somewhat implausible. Although the introduction describes collecting the information from a number of sources (eye witnesses, local museums, folk music, etc.), the body of the work contains no specific citations. That is, it's impossible to tell where any one claim came from, and it doesn't distinguish what is established fact, what is popular consensus, and what is hearsay.

>It's an entertaining read. As an individual I'm inclined to believe most of it. But that does not make it a good source.

they call themselves Greeks but haven't yet realized they get the hardest assignments

>>81623472
>>81623567
It wasn't about fear of communism (things went to shit long before the USSR fell, and the PRC is still around anyways, not to mention communism has been widespread throughout academia for ages) but rather lingering fear of fascism coming back if they fucked over their population too much. By 70s they became fairly confident fascism was dead and buried for good, and began debasing the currency.

>>81624929
>nonfiction
This is a work by a journalist, not a historian.

I'm not having kids. Having kids with any women these days is retarded. Women today are horrible mothers.

>>81622678
>BUILD MORE FUCKING HOUSES!!!!
Nah, they need to reduce the value of the houses. We have enough houses and apartments and shit, just not enough qualified tenants and owners.

>>81622914
Just because they're comfortable living in a shithole doesn't mean I am.

>>81625407
You can't reduce the cost of housing, real estate and land are the majority of the wealth in the US. If those dip you are toast.

>>81625338
What exactly do you think you're going to discover?
>those 1920s coal miners were freeloading cultural marxists, fuck those blue-haired Appalachian basket weaving degree having faggots
Interesting observation about Mother Jones too.
>Mary Harris Jones, known as Mother Jones, was a prominent labor activist in the 19th and early 20th centuries, renowned for her work in organizing workers and fighting for economic justice. Despite her radical activism, she did not support the suffragette movement, arguing that "you don't need a vote to raise hell". She believed that the suffragists were naive and unwittingly acted as agents of class warfare, diverting attention from the struggles of the working class. Mother Jones maintained that the role of women, except when the union called upon them, was primarily in the home, reflecting her Catholic upbringing and belief that men should be paid sufficiently to allow women to focus on motherhood.

>>81625586
So what are we supposed to do then, Anon? Own nothing and be happy? Work twice as hard for the HOPE that we get a house or the things we want?

>>81625586
Our real estate valuations are fake wealth that only exists on paper and it's almost always funded by debt when it changes hands

>>81625586
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_asset_price_bubble
Pop the bubble. it'll hurt but you can move beyond it

you still get to choose who makes the decisions.

>>81625666
Enable the cushy life of people that now have wealth.

>>81625713
It's propped up by real regulation that makes it more difficult to build new property
https://youtu.be/ExgxwKnH8y4?
There are various veto points where people expect you to spend many thousands of dollars in bribes or compliance. And if you refuse to do so they'll find any excuse to stop construction. in this case it was because his building would cast a shadow on a playground. Not when the students were even in school but that justified stopping construction
It's more than then debt

>>81622640 (OP)
>we need more kids If we start now we can see the result in 20 years.
>we will replace 90% of the workforce with robots and AI in the next 20 years.

What is the point unless they need blood sacrifice for Moloch, there will be no jobs for the kids anyway.

>>81625110
Whoa that's crazy, you left a shitpost on the Wikipedia talk page? I guess you'd know better than historians then bro.

>>81626014
When we replaced 70% of the workers in agriculture with tractors did they remain perpetually unemployed?

>>81625338
People who write nonfiction history books are called historians.

>>81626113
You still don't get why your teachers didn't let you cite Wikipedia

>>81623474
>"OMG did you just give a detailed explanation of how just giving women money to shit out babies will be a failure of a policy? Cringe! You are giving me the ick, no cap on god frfr not. Not very SKIBBIDY! Go to church to be in a political hugbox!"
You are so fucking stupid you make me look forward to future generations dying off.
Or you just shat out this retarded response from an LLM and give me hope that AI will never replace humans, they will just continually shit up comment sections.
Either way drink bleach faggot.

>>81622678
The fact you think it has anything to do with the housing market and not female hypergamy is what's hilarious. The majority of young men want children, the majority of young women don't. People in fucking Gaza are still having children, and they don't even have houses anymore, just tent camps and babies are still being born, why? Because the women have less rights.

>incel "bros"
>normalfag thinks incels are still solution oriented and care about birth rates aside from utilizing it as an another layer of racebaiting
they might as well flush that money down the toilet as it will have the same exact end result. No government program aimed at improving birth rates has ever worked except for communist Romania banning contraceptives, but even that wasn't a crazy spike.

>>81626120
You replaced the muscle, now you will replace first the brains and the both. Who will hire humans when a robot will do the same or better job at 1/10 of the cost? Sure first there will be humans who will repair the robots but in time they will be replaced too.

>>81624222
Extort what?

>>81622649
>Don't fall for the siren.
>Political beliefs are inherited. Your daughters will end up being feminist. She's trying to steal your seed
Tsmt

Yes, women should be given money and free IVF when they are trying for their first child at 40.
Fuck that, cutoff point to age 25 for the payment.

>>81622640 (OP)
>Give us billions to have children
Counteroffer, take away all your rights, make your gender legal property, and defund all social programs to force you to raise your children correctly or we just use artificial wombs.

Go ahead, tell us how you plan to run away to the Forrest and live with bears. We stopped listening to your retarded threats when you said you were gonna bring about a 4b movement in the west cause you political candidate didn't win.

>>81622649
>political beliefs are inherited.
Then why am I anti-zionist pro-isolationist Giga Racist while my mom and dad are both bleeding heart liberals?

>>81627007
Because your dad's a cuck I guess