Guys... Christ saved me. :) He now lives in me. I think I may have to leave this place now and live a sanctified life. I love you all though and I pray for all of you. I rejected him for so long but now he has begun a transformation in my heart. I feel so much catharsis and have for days. :) Jesus Christ is Lord! <3

>>81627619 (OP)
Christ is Lord Amen. Bad company corrupts good morals

>>81627668
Amen! Have a blessing!

The kindest and most sincere people I have ever met have all been from 4chan. If you are hoping to find a better place I fear you will fail miserably and feel disappointed. But I suppose a light is most needed in darkness, so there is little point being around good people if trying to spread good. Jesus himself spent time with the absolute lowest and worst types of people imaginable. Tax collectors, whores, lepers, even jews.
It is interesting to see differing attitudes in our faith. Baptists and their great proclamation. Amnish and their incredibly insular society. So dedicated to being a separate people as the Bible tells us that they speak a funny language to further separate themselves from the wicked secular world. I obviously favor being separate. Everyone by now has heard the word. If they reject it it is only because they are fundamentally bad people. The opportunity to feel conviction was presented, came, and gone. So dedicated to evil that they reject him and his message outright. They even mock Christianity.
Walk in faith, brother. This side of eternity matters very little in the grand scheme of things.

>>81627619 (OP)
you worship a jew LOL

this reminds me of that one schizophrenic guy who thinks that the spirit of jesus christ keeps anally raping him

>>81627619 (OP)
Im happy for you anon! Thats really awesome! I too found christ recently. Its incredible how happy and energetic i feel since accepting him. Also, the intrusive thoughts have just vanished. Were they demons?

>>81627619 (OP)
Jesus Christ is King, God is our Refuge, Holy Spirit is our Key
God bless you Anon and peace be with you

>>81628153
>>81628294
Did you anons keep Christ waiting at times?

>>81628307
See this just makes me think there are no consequences to living without jesus

>>81628307
"fun" like raping and murdering and stealing and being a generally bad person

>>81628389
There are big consequences both in this life and the world after, repent of wrong doing and make a straight path for the Lord in your heart

>>81628307
Yeah. There was a long pwriod of tine where i was a wouldnt have called myself a christian, i was open to the idea of god existing but i kept asking for a sign. I never got one. I was being selfish.
It turns out alm i had to do was accept him. I felt a warmth and comfort like ive never known and i knew it was him. Now i see his signs everywhere and i continue to carry that joy within me. Something im struggling with though is reaching out to others. I want to share gods love with the world but ive never been very good at interacting with other people.

>>81628389
>I have gained nothing
>0 consequences
???

Pray for me, anons. My Christian name is James. I am despondent and apathetic.

>>81628417
Maybe you should look for a local bible study
It wouldn't hurt to try talking about God with other people..

>the most dangerous thing is the thing that will kill me most likely

>>81628410
>>81628517
What I mean is that it sounds like a person can sin (which is what I assume "fun" stands for in the comic) and abandon Jesus for any period of time, and then come back to Jesus without any repercussions. So why don't people just sin all they like and then repent at the last moment?

Nah I think I'll sit and beat my cock and just when I'm about to draw my final breath I'll proclaim Jesus is Lord and go to heaven anyway.

>>81627619 (OP)
Hope you're not a larper friend. Good on you if not. Christ is with us, even now in all this darkness.

>>81628518
I will pray for you anon. Anything specific?

>>81628525
Thats what ive been meaning to do. Ive gitten as far as actually driving out there but i just circled the parking lot and left. Im not good at people...ill try again though.

>>81627619 (OP)
I think that I am genuinely beyond hope sometimes and that the only thing that my existence serves, my only purpose is to negate. And even in that, its not lofty where I seduce and torment thousands of lives by my actions, but only ruin myself.
Where's my core? Where's that vigor which can raise me up so I can be sincere like you and not roll the eyes? The only thing that comes natural to me is to lie, exaggerate, to be lustful, and to be arrogant. What a fallen state. I wish that I may serve as a counterbalance to others and yet that may be too optimitic

>>81627619 (OP)
Congratulations on your conversion, God willing the spirit of the Lord will be with you all the days of your life.

>>81628554
>Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
You're kind of onto something here. However, two problems stand out. More pragmatic is the problem of not knowing when one's time is up. Sometimes one may get a couple weeks in a hospital bed to wrestle their demons. For others their light is snuffed out before they can even say abunai. Tl note: abunai mean dangerous.
The second is a matter of the heart. I am no theologian, but I sincerely believe Christians are better than nonchristians, at least from a moral standpoint. If you try to refute this I will no true scotsman. If one becomes a Christian due to sincere moral conviction, you might expect the desire to sin to be lesser than for nonchristians. A moral compass maybe. Even Jesus was tempted in the desert though, so this is not to say Christians are playing on easy mode. But some things I see are beyond my comprehension. Theft is an excellent example. I find the act reprehensible. But many others think nothing of it, will cheer on others who steal, seize any opportunity to steal. In fact the only time they might raise objection to theft is when they are the one stolen from. Strange how they so readily violate others then cry foul when they are violated. This begins to stray from dogma and theology, but I think it is because they are lesser beings, spiritually. Put another way, bad people. Only a bad person would want to do bad things after all.
In reference to grace more abundant, I don't think it's a license to sin. God's grace can overcome anything. But, and this is a very interesting but; the people asking for forgiveness aren't thieves, murderers, and rapists. It's the people like me who might feel the briefest flash of anger before killing the emotion again. The people who need grace don't want it. All sins are equal. But in my very faulty human reasoning I think accidentally being rude is not the same as murder.

>>81627619 (OP)
I'm so happy for you OP, I've struggled with faith all my life and I wish I could just let Christ into my life. I just want to accept him and believe again

>>81628858
I'm just saying that I think in a just religion, an immoral person would be punished for his immorality. He wouldn't be allowed to just let some jew wash his sins away for free. I don't understand how Christians justify that.

>>81628585
Thank you, anon. Christ is in our midst!
>Anything specific?
Not necessarily. I just struggle a lot with sloth. Pray that I have the strength and courage to do what I need to do.

>>81627619 (OP)
Christ is king. Amen.
https://youtu.be/zKCP2vWQehc

>>81627619 (OP)
>Guis Dead Jew in the Sky Saved Me XD

No anon, you just went full mind broken faggot and gave up on reality to retreat into a fantasy where an imaginary dead Jew is offering you magical protection and a seat in a non-existent paradise when you die.

As a result you will now give up on the real world and in true Jew slave fashion surrender the real world to the actual forces of darkness.

>>81628902
I am unable to articulate it well. Technically anyone can get forgiveness, the two men crucified next to Christ is a shining example. One accepted and one rejected. The difference was heaven and hell.
What I'm trying to say flirts with determinism. The ones who would ask for forgiveness are not the immoral ones, at least not in the sense of the term in how we are using it in this exchange(as opposed to the concept of inherited sin through Eve and For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God).
What you are putting forth is an interesting opposite example of the argument I usually see. How can a just and moral god damn wickedness? The argument is fundamentally incorrect, as humans are fallible and determining what is good or just is beyond the ability of humans, and God alone determines what is good on a fundamental and definitional level. This is where faith comes, it fills the gap for these kinds of how can she slap situations. It feels like a cop out, and faith is a spiritual gift that not everyone receives in equal measure. It is actually one I struggle with a lot. I try to live piously, but it feels more like a set of mental rules pieced together by personal conviction that happens to correlate with scripture. I can feel good and evil, but I'm not so good at faithing anything.
I kind of like the deist ideas of God as goldsmith or clockmaker. Things are set in motion and everything can be reduced to action reaction, like the laws of physics.
Back to how can God be good if hell, I believe the answer is uncomfortably simple. Hell was never meant for man. The angels rebellion and the fall of man are closely tied. As an ultimate good, evil can not exist in the presence of God. Hell as destination unfortunately happens to be the furthest possible distance away from God, a complete absence of his essence. Like turning a light on in a dark room, where does the darkness go? It simply can't be at all in the presence of light.
I hope this makes sense.

>>81627619 (OP)
One day, I can see this post without envy in my heart. Looking, observing, all passive, all restrained, no movements upwards. Rest well

>>81629133
Your word games make sense but that's all they are word games with no basis in reality.

Good and evil are metaphysical constructs that vary based on culture and time period. The world is wholly without any real unchanging set of rules for which constitutes which.

You are trying to reason out reality with fairy-tales and make believe and the only outcome will be furthering yourself from real knowledge about the world itself.

>Things are set in motion and everything can be reduced to action reaction, like the laws of physics.
This is closer to the truth. But the part that slips a lot of people up is thinking that this world or universe if you prefer is a singleton with a beginning and an end and not just one of a countless infinite number of realities that all run concurrently in order to account for every possible outcome.

This is going to get a bit esoteric and I'm going to use God as a metaphor to make it a bit more understandable to you. How does God solve a paradox? As in how does God create a Stone that is both too big for him to move but being omnipotent also create an immovable stone that he can move? The answer is by splitting reality into two, one where he can and one where he can't. Thus in sum total both outcomes happen and are possible even if separated by different accessible realities.

Now scale that up to every possible outcome/event/occurence and you start to get an idea of what infinity actually looks like. If you want to call something God, call infinity God.

>>81629076
Ill pray for you anon. I hope you will find the light someday.

>>81629216
It would be too easy to accuse you of intellectual dishonesty, or at minimum, hypocrisy.
I will engage in good faith.
I operate from a Christian framework, at least Christian flavored. If good and evil are metaphysical concepts subject to the zeitgeist, how else could we meaningfully interact with these concepts without some sort of framework. For me, Christianity provides this framework. Our holy scripture accounts for all time from the creation of the world to the end of the world and a new heaven and earth. What is real knowledge about the world itself and how can you be certain the Christian framework is not the most accurate one? This is maybe a rerun of pascal's wager, but I don't understand how the Christian viewpoint can be swatted away and truth championed without a clear definition of what this replacing truth might look like.
I am interested in thought experiments and intellectual flexing, so this is not a condemnation of using a different framework to pin these concepts of good and evil. But it is nonetheless applying a framework.
As for the infinite possibilities/timelines/universes, it does not appeal to me. From the Bible it seems there is one thread history follows. God, existing outside of the constraints of time can perceive it in entirety as a single thing. Beginning, middle, and end simultaneously. I will admit free will throws a serious monkey wrench into this conceptualization I cling to.
The method you found to resolve the paradox of can God create a stone so big is an interesting one.
>Thus in sum total both outcomes happen and are possible
I would be more inclined to reject the premise of the paradox. Much like I would reject the premise of being asked to prove a negative.

>>81629216
>>81629618
It is not a satisfying conclusion and I have no refutation. Contemplating the nature of God has been happening as long as humans have been around. If God created, and God is, in the sense of all his creation is an emanation of and part of him, it might also could be called God. Though only in part as it's tied to a single human perception in one point in time down one of an infinite set of outcomes.
To abruptly return to the topic of Christianity. One either accepts or rejects the doctrine and dogma of Christianity. This is where faith comes in. It sounds weak when put like this, but I see no other way of expressing it.