The question is, do you?

>>81651551 (OP)
>working out
>women
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>81651568
tsmt women don't work out whatsoever

>>81651551 (OP)
>not smoking
yeah
>not drinking
yeah
>working out
part of my job
>has a job
yeah
>has a career
hell yeah
>filial to family
loosely
>have friends
some
>good hygiene
yep
>does housework
when the occasion calls for it, yes
>well spoken
i was raised by two english majors
>emotionally mature
in woman-speak this usually translates to "will listen to me bitch and moan and reply by reinforcing my beliefs" so yeah
>supportive
nigga if you ain't supporting in a relationship you're just friends with a lot of benefits

anyways where's my qt3.14 gf

>>81651551 (OP)
>women meeting any of those standards
>ever
lmoa

>>81651551 (OP)
>not smoking
Smoking seems to be rare in both genders now, thank god.
>not drinking
Most women have a pathological obsessed with spirits, wine or gin depending on their age.
>working out
Not really fair to compare, women just have to have a low BF% (which can be obtained just by eating well) while as men have to have that as well as large muscles which require several hours a week in the gym.
>has a job
Common in both genders.
>has a career
This just seems to be a way to say "he's got a high paying job", which is rare for both genders.
>filial to family
The amount of women willing to whore around disagrees with this notion.
>have friends
It's not rare in either gender.
>good hygiene
Only one where they have a point, though women statistically shower less often than men do.
>does housework
Housework is a woman's job, so them getting mad about men not doing it is like a man getting mad that his girlfriend can't change a tire or carry heavy furniture upstairs.
>emotionally mature and supportive
Buzzwords that just end up meaning "he does what I want and lets me do what I want".
Also lmao at the idea of the average woman being emotionally supportive and not just getting the ick at the mildest issue.

>>81651551 (OP)
>no smoking
girls constantly hit the vape
>no drinking
girls are constantly drinking at social events
>working out
girls don't work out, maybe they'll run on the treadmill and do some light jogging and do some yoga AT MOST
>has a job
I'll give them this point but it's always some woman meme job like teacher, daycare, HR, etc
>has a career
women don't have careers they have meme jobs as said above
>filial to family
women initiate most divorces and ruin families
>have friends
women constantly talk shit about their friends behind their backs and start drama well into adulthood
>good hygiene
the amount of women with stinky pussies would disagree with this
>does housework
the average woman room nowadays is absolutely full of random trash and clothes
>well spoken
most girls nowadays are barely functioning anxious messes
>emotionally supportive
yeah no, women lose ALL attraction to a man if he shows any emotional weakness
>emotionally mature
as said above, women constantly start drama and gossip basically their entire lives

>>81651551 (OP)
A million conditions to satisfy expectations of whores and npcs who will hate you anyway no matter what you do. No conditions to be content here and now. You can shove your conditions up your ass. As if I would trow away my freedom and let my value be determined by some life sucking slaves of the system.

>>81651694
>Housework is a woman's job
not what normies believe anymore nowadays, all chores are now a 50/50 split (except all the traditional male ones like mowing the lawn and repairing furniture and carrying heavy stuff etc of course)

Literally no man cares if a woman has a career

>>81651792
it makes women worse because all women want a provider, and if she makes a fuckton of money she WILL want some guy that makes more money than her even if it's like $200k a year

>>81651551 (OP)
>women
>emotionally mature and supportive
Kekkkkk
This one alone would be some kind of superhuman unicorn female

>>81651844
It's the funniest shut on earth because dudes who make income that high don't need another boss bitch to parasitize on them, they want an actual stay at home wife. It's the most retarded woman catch 22

As we all know, the workforce is 100% female

>>81651551 (OP)
I've never met a woman who could check even 1/3rd (4 of 12) of those boxes, please tell me where I can find these thoroughly average women

I'm not sure if career women are happy or not, and I don't really care.

Men are shit, one thing not mentioned there and one of the main problem is their impulse to lie.

For example, all men will tell you here they can do housework. Then you watch them in action and their performance is laughable.

>>81651948
>my last egg is about to die hurry up
>but wait I still have this list of standards
Lol

>>81651551 (OP)
>average woman
>not drinking

>>81651551 (OP)
china has an urban man shortage, so the single men available really are lower-tier than the single women. not all countries have this issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLfivrQYS9g

but on the other hand, these women are also just mad about being valued less than younger, less-"accomplished" women.

>>81651551 (OP)
I'm a free thinker I don't need a career, woman are sheeple

>>81651551 (OP)
>Not smoking
>Not drinking
I don't smoke, but I drink. What if I want an alcoholic smoker?
>Works out
Every day
>Has a job/career
Yeah, it's not perfect but better than most
>Whatever to family
I'm my own relatively private person. I put up with family but it isn't my favourite thing
>Have friends
Yeah
>Good hygiene
I'm obsessive
>Does housework
I do, but I have ADHD. things are either perfect or destroyed, take your pick
>Well spoken
Extremely so, if you don't crush my confidence
>Emotionally mature and supportive
Yes, if you don't gaslight me into not being so.

The whole fucking problem is I can and normally am what women say they want in a man, but I'm not attractive enough for them. So they go cold on me, I go cold back, then it's "ugh men" all over again

>>81651661
hello..
what kind of qt3.14 are you in search of?

>>81651948
>39, desperate
>Still asking for a tall dude
Blackpill moment

>>81652376
I thought they had too many moids from the one-child era where did they all go

>>81651551 (OP)
The thing is, the traditional man's man was the result of living in a healthy environment. It was a byproduct of being able to do masculine meaningful work.

Men today are trying to consciously become the byproduct because the environment no longer exists. It creates this inversion where any true man's man finds the world torturous, while the narc socialite theater guy thrives because all he has to do is mimic something resembling the role. Its this new type of golem person that is emerging. Like their values are based on the assumption this civilization is and always was here.

>>81651551 (OP)
Honestly, she's completely right. The fact that so many men think basic adult functioning makes them valuable is laughable. Not drinking yourself into oblivion, maintaining a job, having decent hygiene, treating your family well, being emotionally mature, these are minimum standards for grown women, not some impossible fantasy.

It's painfully obvious that men have been coddled into thinking that showing up clean and not being an emotional disaster is worthy of praise, while women are expected to handle ten times the responsibility with no applause. The bar is buried in the dirt for men, and they still trip over it, then act offended if you don't worship them for clearing it.

Among women, these traits are the norm. You're supposed to be stable, balanced, thoughtful, and caring. Men, on the other hand, will broadcast
>I have a job and wash my socks!
like it's a Nobel prize accomplishment. It's exhausting.

They need to wake up and realize that simply being a functional human being doesn't make them exceptional, it just means they're finally catching up to where women have been all along.

>>81652834
tomboy but if i click the woman don't really matter as far as i'm concerned

>>81652921
>The bar is buried in the dirt for men
Yeah thats why women are pickier than ever. Go be a foid somewhere else.

if you want a popular guy to ruin his life you simply think you're gonna know him for much longer than you actually will

>>81651551 (OP)
It doesn't matter what females want. Shut up.

>>81652940
Spare me the whining. Women are pickier than ever because they finally have the freedom to demand the bare minimum and beyond, instead of tolerating lazy, emotionally stunted males who think being alive and breathing qualifies them as a prize. For too long, women were conditioned to accept scraps, to take on broken men, fix them up, coddle them, and then still get blamed when those men failed to measure up.

Women absolutely deserve the best of the best, and if you think that's too high a bar, maybe look in the mirror before you start crying about pickiness. Nobody is entitled to a woman's time, energy, or love, especially if you refuse to grow past your own mediocrity. If a woman wants someone kind, stable, successful, emotionally mature, and loyal, that is not unrealistic, that is reasonable. What's truly unreasonable is demanding that women lower their standards just to spare some random man's fragile ego from feeling inadequate.

So yes, women will keep being picky, and they will keep refusing to settle for unwashed, underdeveloped, incompetent men who offer nothing but resentment in return. No one is obligated to settle just because you exist. Cope, seethe, and stay mad about it, because women are done giving away their lives for men who won't even try.

>>81652998
>Women are pickier than ever because they finally have the freedom to demand the bare minimum and beyond, instead of tolerating lazy, emotionally stunted males who think being alive and breathing qualifies them as a prize. For too long, women were conditioned to accept scraps, to take on broken men, fix them up, coddle them, and then still get blamed when those men failed to measure up.
I read this and I only see projecting. Didn't read the rest.

>>81652921
>>81652998
Would you both shut up and take your gender war copypasta to reddit

>>81651551 (OP)
>not smoking
>not drinking
women don't need vices to cope with their lives because everyone supports them and cares about them unlike men. Even then I'd doubt the average woman doesn't drink.
>working out
women working out is like the bare minimum of a male workout. Again this might not even be "average" behavior, especially if we're not just looking at upper class people who have more time and money to go to better gyms.
>has a job
not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure employment is higher for men. Either way male centric jobs are far more demanding generally.
>filial to family
??? most men are? Women feing social engagement better if that's what they mean.
>have friends
flat out harder for men to have friends, especially in modern society
>good hygiene
idk how apt this is for "average" woman, but sure standards are higher for women to be clean (mainly forced by other women but still)
>does housework
because they work less and less demanding jobs than men
>well spoken
flat out wrong, modern women speak like tiktok zombies most of the time. I'm assuming this post is skewed towards thinking "average" means upper class, which is retarded af.
>emotionally mature
lol
>supportive
Lmao even

tldr: entire thing is wrong and almost definitely misunderstanding high class people as "average"

>>81652902
rotting or monkmoding in rural villages

>>81652921
>>81652998
not reading all of that and whatnot

>>81653058
>women don't need vices to cope with their lives because everyone supports them and cares about them unlike men.
practically every single young woman vapes and drinks it's why they age like shit and look 40 at 25

>>81653097
there's like this new ai bot or something around /r9k/ recently. Speaks in this same stilted manner with weird ass spacing every two lines. Pretends to be a woman crying about how we men "really are". Ignore

>>81651551 (OP)
>"well spoken"
the average zoomer girl talks like this:
>like
>um
>so
>y'all
>it's giving
>I-
>chile
>wow
>lol
>yikes

>>81652998
Put men in there rather than women

You're not entitled to my time, energy or love, if you refuse to do anything to benefit me. I do not have to lower my standards to get a woman

Oh wait yes I do because standards are a bullshit entitled concept made up by classist retards who want to feel superior

>>81652921
men just realize theres no longer any meaning. Its like the elves in lotr longing for the sea.

workout <play game

>>81653287
why don't we have both?

>>81653129
Delusional, you are in no position to negotiate anything here. Beggars cannot be choosers, and you sound like the most pitiful beggar of all, raging about "classist standards" because you can't even meet the bare minimum expectations of a functional adult. Standards exist for a reason: to protect people from wasting their lives on entitled, underdeveloped, emotionally stunted men who think they deserve a woman just for breathing.

You claim you shouldn't have to lower your standards, but what exactly are you offering that makes you worth those standards? Because from where I'm standing, you bring nothing to the table but excuses and resentment. No one is forcing you to date, but if you refuse to improve yourself, refuse to grow, and refuse to act like a respectful partner, don't be shocked when no woman wants to share so much as a passing glance with you.

And don't try to rewrite the world with your whiny "standards are classist" cope. That's your personal failure talking, trying to rationalize why you can't compete. Calling them "classist" is just your childish way of refusing to acknowledge that you aren't good enough yet to meet even the average woman's baseline.

You're acting like a spoiled, impudent manchild, crying that no one will bow down and date you while bringing absolutely nothing to the table yourself. Probably because you know, deep down, that not only does your attitude come up short, but so does your dick, and you'd rather blame society than take responsibility for changing.

Keep raging, but it won't change the truth: you are not entitled to women settling for you, and no amount of tantrums will ever make you more desirable.
>>81653193
You're not some tragic hero nobly fading into the sea, you're just a bitter male who couldn't compete and now pretends it was a grand, poetic choice. Stop larping as a doomed hero when you're really just ragequitting because women won't settle for you.

>>81653847
Tragic yes, hero not really. Kinda just depressing. All the rest is projection.

>>81651551 (OP)
>modern women
>does housework
KWAB
No female fulfills even the basic of minimum standards

>>81651551 (OP)
I unironically tick all those boxes and am still a virgin. Lmao, foids dont know what the fuck they want.

>>81654378
To add: And what does a guy even get in return? Women want all of the benefits but never want to put in their share of the work and meet halfway.

>>81651568
Even funnier when you realize more women than men are obese
They really have zero self awareness what so ever

I got a full manual drivers license
I got a stem MSc
I'm fit as fuck
I dont drink or smoke
I am not a pervert or degen
I have a decent paying government job

I am autistic

>>81652921
>catching up to where women have been all along
Most men aren't sleeping around though, she didn't even mention that. Yeah most guys would if they could, but they can't so they're not doing it. Not accumulating the baggage. Women have a fucking ton of baggage at 20, and then it just gets worse. Some of them even have bastards and baby daddies sticking around. You can't even have the honor of saving a woman from the shame of being a whore single mom anymore. Now you're the bonus step daddy which only translates to broken cuckold. And you're reminded every time dad pays a visit.

>>81651948
>39
Imagine the number of filters and makeup applied

>>81651551 (OP)
She missed the "looks" LMAO

>>81651911
Cute couple, they match well.

>>81651551 (OP)
>not smoking
yup
>not drinking
yup
>working out
yup
>has a job
student, so I guess kinda?
>has a career
on my way to one
>filial to family
big yes
>have friends
acquaintances, genuine friends I can count on less than one hand and they live too far away to keep in touch with properly, so right now I'd say I'm friendless amongst pleasant acquaintances whom I'll never see again after college
>good hygiene
sure
>does housework
kinda have to since I'm single
>well spoken
I like to think so, at least in my mother tongue
>emotionally mature
elaborate what that means
>supportive
need elaboration there, too

>>81654391
To be fair, that post is originally talking about China, not the USA.

>>81652998
Bait
but since I'm captcha waiting, any chance women want to actually come up with some concrete standards that aren't just
>has lots of money and assets
>huge (>20) group of "friends" (normie losers to compare material wealth with) (note: actual friends are fine)
>no free time for anything but you, he's this networking and smooth-talking god, and every waking second he's not in your presence he's grinding to give it all to you
>also >6 feet, 6 pack, 6 inches

Because all of this
>a woman wants someone kind, stable, successful, emotionally mature, and loyal
is just what having a partner in a relationship is ? lol

>>81651551 (OP)
She forgot to mention 6 foot plus, an immaculate face, and a head full of hair, but maybe that is already implied since it's a woman talking.

>>81651551 (OP)
I just want to see how many I fit into
>not smoking
Yes
>not drinking
No
>working out
Yes
>has a job
Yes
>has a career
No
>filial to family
Yes
>have friends
Yes
>good hygiene
Yes
>does housework
Yes
>well spoken
Yes
>emotionally mature and supportive
Not as much as I'd like

>>81654604
Actually lemme get out ahead of this reply real quick since I forgot the OP (watch, they'll magically never see this post)
>not smoking
>not drinking
>working out
>has a job
>has a career
>filial to family
>have friends
>good hygiene
>does housework
>well spoken
>emotionally mature
>supportive
These are the standards you set for your fucking maid. Are any of these dumb fucking baiting women on the internet ever going to think of anything they actually want out of life, what makes them giggle and smile in a relationship? Makes them joyful? Compassionate? Moved? Or do they just have this idea that because their dad did (or didn't) provide for them as kids, so that's just what men do?

>>81652930
what is your definition of tomboy? out of curiosity. every man seems to have a different one

>>81654411
good job anon. i hope you get the wholesome autism waifu you deserve

>>81651551 (OP)
>No smoking
I don't smoke or vape. Lots of women vape.
>No drinking
I don't drink either, LOTS of women drink in the UK.
>works out
Yes.
>Job
Yes.
>Career
I actually want to change my career, which would mean going to uni full time, which fucks up my dating prospects even more. Whats funny about this is it would be seen as a problem, but if you can't support me when I'm using delayed gratification, why the fuck would I want a relationship with you?
>family
Loyal to some not others. You can't pick your family, if you got a good one good for you.
>friends
I'm too socially awkward for this shit nothing I did to make friends after uni ever panned out I talk to coworkers and thats about it, none of my hobbies are social.
>hygiene
Yes.
>Housework
Yes.
>Well spoken
Yes.
>Emotionally mature and supportive
I can't answer given this is in the context of relationships, which I have never had.

This woman completely omits
>Be attractive
>Don't be an autist
And really if you have those 2 boxes checked, none of this other stuff actually matters. It also ignores wht men want in women. E.g. No kids. No ho phase, no tattoos, no debt, etc. Not shocked these weren't included since her female friends 100% won't tick those conditions.

>>81652998
I'd agree if the majority of women cared about anything you're talking about but the reality is the end all be all is just looks plain and simple. It doesn't matter how kind a guy is if he's a 2/10 he's getting no play so trying to make it out like there's a shortage in character when in reality there's countless scumbags getting with women just because they're attractive is a really interesting angle for your gaslighting.
Make 100k? Cool you're still fucking ugly
Have a career? Cool you're still 5'2 in a 5'7 average height country, good luck finding a woman who isn't barraged with insults for making the mistake of coupling with you. The reality is that first comes the shallow then comes all the bs you're talking about. Only after meeting that baseline attractiveness can you even be put in the running and if you exceed it? Very few women even gaf at that point so let's not pretend that women as a whole are some beacon of virtue you simp

>>81651551 (OP)
Yes

And it's because society has titled the scales towards women so hard with biased educational standards, insane weight towards women hiring fueled by subsidies from the government for meeting diversity quotas, etc.

It takes an top 20% man to reach the basic levels of what a normal woman is given for free.

A woman is 867% more likely to see an interview call from a resume submission. They're 170% more likely to get the job after having at least one interview. They make up 2/3rds of all college students

I could go on and on.

>>81654911
ok so most of it is in attitude and general take on the world- tomboys come in all shapes and sizes, but the constant among them is a strong interest in male-dominant spaces and the kind of attitude that comes from working around them
i want someone who is both physically and mentally strong, reliable, but still capable of softness to some extent, the whole tan-lines-visible-abs-pixie-cut thing is a meme(that i encourage but don't expect)
basically share my interests and don't be a total pussy and i'll probably enjoy being around you

>>81651551 (OP)
I have a membership to many gyms/fitness clubs through my insurance and the one common denominator at the gym, including the ones with amenities like swimming, sports, golf, etc, is that there are hardly any women. Women in north america are fat lazy bitches

>>81654668
they let their "a man should be a provider but also do an equal amount of the housework and chores except for all the traditionally masculine ones" override that a romantic partner should be a lover, someone that makes you feel happy inside, someone that's there for you when you need it most, they blew their youth away on hookups and situationships and now that their looks faded are beggars trying to be choosers and trying to rope in the good men they rejected

>>81656712
and the overwhelming majority of women at the gym exclusively come in to lightly run at the treadmill for 30 minutes and leave. you barely see them on the workout machines and women that go into the weightlifting area are straight up unicorns. you have no idea how many couples I've seen in public where the man is a super ripped gym addict and his gf/wife is a fat slob

>>81654391
You don't get it
For a woman, working out can range from walking up to the fridge and back to the couch all the way to hitting the gym for an hour every other day
Women are very loose with definitions if their hole is loose

>>81652853
It is subconscious for women. She knows her own genetics are trash or she would have already had kids. She seeks the most popular traits so her offspring don't have the same risk of failure that she is. This goes for both genders, its just nature.

>>81651551 (OP)
High level woman = average man
Just saw this post on American social media that what society regard as high level woman is just equivalent of an average man.
Not obese, not having casual sex, having savings, having investments, not blowing money on stupid shit, working out, having a private sector job, does yard work & oil changes, intellectually mature and knowledgeable.
Among male friends, they are all checking these boxes. But to find it in a woman? Seems harder and harder these days.

>>81652921
>*pops another Lexapro pill*

>>81651948
i think i saw this woman on tinder when i was living in vancouver

>>81651551 (OP)
>foids
>emotionally mature
HAHAHAHAHA

>>81651551 (OP)
The problem is nobody is getting married
Average women would rather see an 8/10 once a week instead of a 6/10 7 days a week. And a Chad would rather have a new girl every day if Tinder makes that possible