would you settle for a nihilistic gf? she'd eventually convince you that universal meaninglessness is the ultimate truth, and once you realize it, there is no going back. the only thing that void-touched individuals can do is embrace oneanother for warmth in the cold abyss they're stuck in. if i were to dedicate my life to building a community centered on nihilism, where fellow nihilists can come together to cure their loneliness, would you join me?

>>81656196 (OP)
you just sound like such a faggot so no

>>81656196 (OP)
absolutely no woman on the entire planet is built like this, and certainly no femcels here on r9k are built like this either

>>81656196 (OP)
>she'd eventually convince you that universal meaninglessness is the ultimate truth
i mean we all realize we're grains of sand in a vast ocean so what difference does it make?
purpose is something we come up with, something that benefits us

>the only thing that void-touched individuals can do is embrace oneanother for warmth in the cold abyss they're stuck in.
so basically, we still have warmth in ourselves despite that, eh?
doesn't sound like everything is so meaningless after all
there's more to this life than it meets the eye, i mean, everything you sense over here are simply electrical impulses interpreted by your brain, so who's to say there aren't other things around here that your body can't sense?

ah yeah, but your question was
>would you settle for--
yes, so long as she wasn't insufferable about it, and so long as we clicked nicely

>>81656196 (OP)
Buy an ad ririgaki

>>81656196 (OP)
I'm already somewhat nihilistic so yes. Eventually I'd convince her that absurdism is the way to go

>>81656196 (OP)
>would you settle for a nihilistic gf? she'd eventually convince you that universal meaninglessness is the ultimate truth
try me, bitch (actually don't, I'm not wasting my calories on being anon's unpaid tutor)

>>81656236
>we still have warmth in ourselves despite that, eh?
no. i am hollow and cold inside. every waking moment i'm alone, i suffer deeply. the moment i'm even in the vicinity of human beings, i no longer suffer. purposelessness is only felt when you're not distracted; if you don't see meaninglessness, it's because you're distracted. good for you, perpetually living in the illusion of optimism is always better than perpetually living in the illusion of pessimism. but don't take the people in your life too much for granted, they may cease to be around when you need them most.

>>81656196 (OP)
>she'd eventually convince you that universal meaninglessness is the ultimate truth
No she wouldn't. Nihilism is a false ideology.

>>81656342
>Nihilism is a false ideology.
explain how the logical conclusion of all things when held to the highest scrutiny is "a false ideology". in a vacuum (see what i did there), there is no reason to do anything, and there is no reason not to do anything. both optimistic and pessimistic nihilisms are false, only neutral nihilism is true. however, we human beings are illogical beings, therefore we cannot embrace that which cannot be embraced. we can only be optimistically or pessimistically nihilistic, depending on our life circumstances. if you're chronically lonely for example, then you're far more likely to see nihilism pessimistically, due to the suffering caused by lack of social interaction. you wouldn't expect mice to be happy alone, would you?

>>81656196 (OP)
I'll never understand how people can get off to comically large blimp tits like that lmao

>>81656378
nta but I guess I'm being your tutor for a bit because your pseudo cerebral virus of society's pretentiousness is irritating me down to my well-maintained viscera

logics. life is pre-logical. consciousness is pre-logical. qualia is pre-logical. phenomenology's phenomena are pre-logical.
logic shatters its relevance when it's taken to its logical conclusion of it being a tool for life. you never took logics to its extremes so you're where you are. nihilism posits "meaninglesnees" from a complex system where meaningfulness exists as an opposite. nihilism never had its knees broken, never had itself drown in acid, never gotten a kick in the head instead of childhood Christmas gift. it's vapid garbage that is too cowardly to face pre-meaning itself.
you're using power drill like an anal dildo and are surprised you're under a bad mood.
I'm not looking down on you tho. there are many such cases. 99.9999% of anyone trying introspection fall into this. even le epic zen monks or stoics or hedonists or whatever typical extreme you can think of.

have a nice day please.

>>81656269
>i am hollow and cold inside.
the fact that you have this much insight into things says otherwise
realizing the truth is one thing, what you do with it is what comes next
you're still at that stage of shock and that's fine, some people never even recover from that, but realizing the meaninglessness of things is just the first step

see here's the deal, the void, nothingness, all those concepts open up possibilities, they don't extinguish them
so what if the world is just some meaningless thing? we can make anything we want with it, create our own meaning for it
sure it won't matter in a cosmic scale, it never will probably, but to us stuck in this corner, it means something
>if you don't see meaninglessness, it's because you're distracted.
maybe so, but i don't have to focus on the meaninglessness and rot away thanks to it
we humans also hold the power of creation in our hands, why not do something with it?

>don't take the people in your life too much for granted
the only one you can always rely on is yourself
but it's nice to have some love in your life from outside sources too
they may go away when you need them most, true, but more important than the act of not being there is the reason for it
someone didn't want to bother with me? yeah sure, dickhead
someone wasn't able to be there cause they were caught up in some other bullshit in their life? tough luck for me, but understandable, it is what it is

tl;dr shit ain't all as bad as you think, and if it is, you can make it better

>>81656460
ignorance is bliss: the post. bringing up pre-logic in a discussion about logic is intellectually evasive. our ability for awareness isn't a tool for life, that's just your opinion. but i understand where you're coming from, you can only cope in the face of nihilism, it's harder when your life is harder and easier when your life is easier.
>you're using power drill like an anal dildo and are surprised you're under a bad mood.
nope, i'm using the power drill to its upmost effectiveness, that's the crux of my suffering. but let's be real, anyone who's lonely is in suffering, unless they've deeply deluded themselves.

>>81656519
>intellectually invasive
good. male or female, nerds are rapemeat

logics is literally assumption-based invention from munchausen's trilemma principles, allowed to exist due to empirical convenience. forcing logics into empirics inconvenience - before you get empirical convenience as a result - is "the hamner works on nails, so I should hit my head to solve a bad mood"
you're calling out a geologist when you're trying to build architecture on a swamp.

>>81656196 (OP)
What AI did you use to gen that?

>>81656518
>the void, nothingness, all those concepts open up possibilities, they don't extinguish them
true, but what if other things extinguish them? what if you try for years to cure your loneliness, and the world turns you down at every turn? what if you're autistic and your social disability makes it that much harder to not be lonely? i see the possibilities, and i've tried to exploit many potentials for years. but now i'm running out of options, which is why i'm wondering if i should make my life about nihilism, spread the gospel of the void, that my loneliness may finally be ridden of.
>the only one you can always rely on is yourself
no. i have no self-drive whatsoever, because no one has that. only external things like survival, sexual or social pressures drive you to do anything. we are all selflessly driven; and those who don't have the luxury of being selfless suffer.
>>81656555
you misread, 'evasive', not 'invasive'. also empirical science isn't logic, it's just a formalization of logic. and no, i'm not calling out any geologists, i'm on dry buildable land, but i suffer from the cold rain due to not having access to any materials to build a house.
>>81656581
it's some vid i found on r34, here's the sauce
>https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=12671436

>>81656596
>you misread, 'evasive', not 'invasive'.
I mistyped actually.
>empirical science isn't logic, it's just a formalization of logic
yes, science isn't
and empiricism is logic's root
where do you think logic came from as a practice?
>but i suffer from the cold rain due to not having access to any materials to build a house.
if nihilism was legit, you wouldn't even have a conception of a house or a suspicion you're lacking a house. unless your nihilism position was suddenly about breaching the logical constraints for own benefit. which it is. currently you believe the benefit is ought to be pandering to a bad sentiment mindset

>>81656596
>true, but what if other things extinguish them?
your problem is loneliness, and i have the same problem as well, it's an old friend of mine that haunts me every now and again too
but to deem everything as meaningless because of that problem is a big leap, anon...
i can't say i understand your struggle but i sympathize with it, as i have my own
but life, the world, the "void" and the "truth", it's all beyond ourselves

i think that if you want to be rid of your loneliness, there might be better ways to do that
such a philosophy may really do a number on your mental health, and it could even do a number on any friendships you might build in the future, making it one of the reasons why you're lonely and perpetuating the cycle
nihilists aren't exactly a friendly crowd after all, in my experience

>i have no self-drive whatsoever, because no one has that.
my fuel is curiosity, mostly
i like seeing what happens next, i like trying to understand people, i like to discover new ways to make things work or to help out others
not sure what your drive would be, but others aren't like that, anon
>those who don't have the luxury of being selfless suffer.
i find that hard to believe, what with the amount of selfish jerks out there that live a nice and comfortable life, fulfilling even, from their point of view
seems like we perceive the world quite differently

>>81656647
no, logic is empiricism's root, lol. "if A, therefore B" is a reflection of the same logic that our ancestors used to logically deduce things like "if bush move, therefore animal there". the better we got at logic, the better we got at conceptualizing logic, which recursively worked together to get where we are now.
>if nihilism was legit, you wouldn't even have a conception of a house
that's not what i'm claiming. see >>81656378:
>both optimistic and pessimistic nihilisms are false, only neutral nihilism is true. however, we human beings are illogical beings, therefore we cannot embrace that which cannot be embraced. we can only be optimistically or pessimistically nihilistic, depending on our life circumstances.
nihilism is legit, but we can't follow it to its logical conclusions. we shouldn't have conceptions of houses, yet we do because we're illogical beings. if we were perfect machines, then we'd have no bias in any aspect of the word whatsoever, which clearly isn't the case. the only benefit is in being optimistically nihilistic, and the only harm is in being pessimistically optimistic. so no, i don't want to pander to a bad sentiment mindset, i want to pander to a good sentiment mindset; but because my current life situation is suffering, i can't help but pander to a bad sentiment mindset.
>>81656673
everything is meaningless whether i'm lonely or not. but if i'm not lonely, then i don't care about meaninglessness, i don't even think about it. you're looking away from the void, and good for you, but i can't. i have to be honest that my life is hollow right now, it's a matter of living out a principle. nihilism isn't what's causing my mental unhealthiness, it's loneliness. if i wasn't lonely, nihilism wouldn't be a problem; it might even be a benefit. i'd put more importance on maintaining friendships, if i had any to maintain. even the most selfish jerk is nothing without others. there is no power beyond that which affects others.

>>81656196 (OP)
My gf kind of has this build and I love it. This WebM is a strong argument for those kind of nipple piercings

>>81656716
>no, logic is empiricism's root
is that why hens can count chickens without any formalizations of the process whatsoever?

>nihilism is legit,
>but we can't follow it to its logical conclusions
that's called a hypostasis. u know how haram unfalsifiability is?
>but we can't follow it to its logical conclusions
you're absurdist rather than nihilist?

>>81656767
>hypostasis
ah I mean the obscure etymology-based interpretation.
basically a hypothesis that can only be right as fiction contained to itself.

>>81656716
>everything is meaningless whether i'm lonely or not.
indeed, and thus, any meaning has to be created by us, for us
>you're looking away from the void
sometimes i wish, i just live in it, i am it, and i do what i want with it
it's kinda like living in this planet and narrowing your view to your local town or building instead of looking at your place in the solar system or the galaxy or something like that
we focus on what's within reach, aware of the bigger picture but we paint our little corner and focus on that, because it's what we can do

>my life is hollow right now
but does it have to be?

>if i wasn't lonely, nihilism wouldn't be a problem; it might even be a benefit.
i doubt it would benefit you, as stated before
if loneliness is your source then nihilism has a much bigger chance of aggravating it
you'd just be coping with not caring about it

>i'd put more importance on maintaining friendships, if i had any to maintain.
maybe you do and you don't realize it
happens more often than you'd think, all friends start as strangers and all that

>even the most selfish jerk is nothing without others.
true, but these jerks instead take from others and benefit themselves with it, that's why they live a nice and comfortable life despite that
my point was that there are selfish people who don't suffer, not just selfless ones

>>81656196 (OP)
You wouldnt have to convince me im already there, so yes

>>81656196 (OP)
what if I convince her that the universe has an ultimate objective truth and that nihilism is the cheapest of mental self inflicted lobotomies created by shaytan?

>>81656767
hens don't count chickens in the sense that human beings do, they just happen to have cognitive abilities that emerged according to their evolutionary history. you're grasping at straws alot. and no, i'm not making nihilism to be unfalsifiable, on the contrary it holds to scrutiny too well. it is us that fails to follow the logic of nihilism, down to our core. we crave illogical things, again due to our evolutionary history, for better or worse. that doesn't prevent us from being aware of nihilism, nor does it prevent us from doing science.
>you're absurdist rather than nihilist?
i wouldn't call myself that, because i wouldn't be a conventional one. i'm just pointing out the truth of neutral nihilism, and expressing my pessimistic perspective of it due to the suffering i experience.
>>81656786
again, grasping at straws. anything could be defined as "a hypothesis that can only be right as fiction contained to itself." again, doesn't prevent us from doing science.
>>81656791
we don't create meaning. i didn't choose to need having to be around people to be happy. that meaning was arbitrarily forced on me, because it's the way my brain and body works. it sucks when the need isn't met, and it doesn't suck when the need is met, like being hungry or thirsty. that's all it comes down to.
>but does it have to be?
i have never even implied that. life doesn't have to be any specific way, but it always is -a- way. and right now, the way that i'm stuck in is loneliness. i try to escape towards other ways, but they close off before i can reach them.
>if loneliness is your source then nihilism has a much bigger chance of aggravating it
i would aggravate my own loneliness with or without nihilism. i'm just being honest about my situation, which offers some kind of benefit no matter how small.
>>81656797
if you can't convert atheists, then you surely won't be able to convert a pessimistic one.

>>81656878
what if I managed to convert atheists before?

>>81656896
have a shot at it then, but she might fake her conversion out of desperation to stop being so lonely. would you still love her if you found out she faked it, but she still wanted to be with you?

>>81656878
>that meaning was arbitrarily forced on me
so, do things have or not meaning after all?
when i talk about things being "meaningless", i'm talking on a bigger scale like, something holding meaning to the universe or something, not just to us individuals
because individual meaning is what we can create and destroy, but on a larger scale nothing fucking matters, not that i can see at least

>that's all it comes down to.
what do you imagine would fulfill such a need then?
and i don't mean just the obvious shit like "oh i'd just like a friend etc.", more like also what you imagine your life would be like with such a need fulfilled, like what you're really after and what it'd be like to have it

>life doesn't have to be any specific way
indeed, that's my point
and life is ephemeral enough that it's not going to stay that way forever either
>they close off before i can reach them.
do elaborate a bit more on that, maybe an example?

p.s. i'm going out for lunch now so i'll reply if the thread is still alive by the time i'm back
don't forget to have some nice food for yourself today as well, anon
stay hydrated too

>>81656196 (OP)
>she'd eventually convince you that universal meaninglessness is the ultimate truth
No, I'd convince her that universal meaninglessness is the ultimate canvas.

>>81656878
>again, grasping at straws. anything could be defined as "a hypothesis that can only be right as fiction contained to itself." again, doesn't prevent us from doing science.
science has empirical value you can feel even before you can conceptualize.

>hens don't count chickens in the sense that human beings do, they just happen to have cognitive abilities that emerged according to their evolutionary history
humans arrived to formalizations through embodied cognition empiricism exactly just like this.

>on the contrary it holds to scrutiny too well
if you're interested in being it's representative, you have to address the fact that that nihilism is fundamentally underdeveloped and unfit to actually assess life as a whole: >>81656460
>logic shatters its relevance when it's taken to its logical conclusion of it being a tool for life. you never took logics to its extremes so you're where you are. nihilism posits "meaninglesnees" from a complex system where meaningfulness exists as an opposite.

random comment: funny how nietzsche is known by normies as nihilist when he actually pointed out that I had pointed out

>>81656911
The act of faking your own beliefs for the sake of appeasing another person is terrible both towards the person you're appeasing and yourself
I could be with someone who is a nihilist and I wouldn't hate her for it
I would make it clear to her that she wouldn't need to lie to me, I wouldn't abandon someone just because they think differently than me but I would also try to save her because I wish to save everyone who matters to me from the ultimate annihilator of the mind
Always remain true to yourself and others

>>81656269
Wow, a real psychic vampire.

>>81656925
on the scale of the fabric of reality, there is no such thing as meaning or purpose, there are only "it just so happens that"s. oxygen and hydrogen binds together purposelessly, it just does. the laws that make it so oxygen and hydrogen even can bind together are devoid of purpose. in the small scheme of things, humanity experiences the illusion of purpose; and although illusions are illusory, experiences are really experienced. so the 'meaning' of being forced to need social interaction is an illusion that i can't help but experience. we are illogical creatures, and we can't help ourselves but be illogical.
>individual meaning is what we can create and destroy
that's funny, i never saw it that way. i just don't want to be lonely. but that's no more or less illusory than 'creating or destroying'.
>>81656926
i agree, and i suffer because i have no paint.
>>81656928
logic isn't a tool for life. you're just anthropomorphizing stuff and disregarding the existential dread that people face. also idgaf about nietzche, the two of you have bad copes. you can't be happy and lonely, not for long anyways. your rhetoric will never suffice, only curing my loneliness will.
>>81656990
faking your beliefs is more terrible than dying from loneliness? your priorities aren't straight, which makes sense if you're religious. the only thing you need to do to save her is to just be with her. loneliness is what's killing her, just you being near her is saving her.
>>81656992
it's not vampirism if we can feed on each other. i'd rather call that a symbiotic relationship when faced with doom.

>>81657026
>logic isn't a tool for life
only when logic is misused to serve logic.
>you're just anthropomorphizing stuff and disregarding the existential dread that people face
existential dread is exactly pre-logical, pre-conceptual, pre-nihilistic

>your rhetoric will never suffice, only curing my loneliness will.
reasonable empirical stance. good luck

>>81657026
One can not die from loneliness and to fake your own beliefs is worse than being alone
Now read all of what I wrote please, thank you

>>81657064
>One can not die from loneliness
yeah you die WITH loneliness! it's comorbidity intensificator just like AIDS! no biggie!

>>81657064
suicide is a very real thing, and loneliness is a major contributor to suicidal ideation. how blessed are you, to never have tasted loneliness for long; or to have been able to delude yourself with beneficial lies away from the harmful truth. i can't follow in your steps, no matter how hard i tried. church did not provide the salvation that jesus promised me, but i shouldn't have been surprised of this expected outcome.

>>81657048
you can't not misuse logic, you can only ever misuse logic in some way shape or form. whether it's beneficial misuse or harmful misuse is the real issue at hand, and right now i can't misuse logic in a beneficial way. acknowledging pre-logic does not cure loneliness, just like how it doesn't satiate hunger. but to go back to the original question, then it is completely useless to spread nihilism in hopes of finding a fellow nihilist. i will die alone. i might as well die now.

>>81657087
>>81657094
I have been alone for a very long time
So long in fact that I can not see it as something negative because it is my standard
I can understand the need for interaction but I have none
Faith is not found upon physically entering a building
Faith is a mindset, a belief that a being far greater than us has smiled upon us which is why we are here and every second within this beautiful world is a gift no matter how painful it may be at times

>>81656196 (OP)
Women can't be nihilistic they don't have the cognitive capacity.

>>81657139
god has created me faithless. truly, i am doomed, god or no god. or am i just faithful towards the void? but how couldn't i be, when i hear the silence of nothingness louder than god's?

>>81657026
>i agree, and i suffer because i have no paint
You have blood, sweat, and tears. Get to work.

>>81657139
>I have been infected with HIV for a very long time
>So long in fact that I can not see it as something negative because it is my standard
>I can understand the need for healthiness but I have none
>Faith is not found upon physically entering a building
>Faith is a mindset, a belief that a being far greater than us has smiled upon us which is why we are here and every second within this beautiful world is a gift no matter how painful it may be at times
spiritual bypassing isn't an argument, isn't insightful, isn't helpful, isn't original.
you do you I guess

>>81657165
then i lack the creativity to work with those colors, or the insanity. perhaps i'll get there one day, if i don't end my own life before then.

>>81656196 (OP)
I'm a nihilist too so I wouldn't consider it settling at all.

>>81657163
May you regain hope one day
>>81657180
What do you want me to say?
You are not proving yourself reasonable by comparing loneliness with an immuno-suppressing virus
Having faith and hope will be more beneficial than not
>isn't original
This conversation has been happening for thousands of years through a billion different perspectives, originality is a nonfactor

>>81657288
>What do you want me to say?
"yes anons, loneliness sucks, let's do our best finding real relationships". and no this isn't an "argument position I want you to concede to". there's no argument.
>You are not proving yourself reasonable by comparing loneliness with an immuno-suppressing virus
I don't care. check the research materials if you're interested in details I'm addressing
>This conversation has been happening for thousands of years through a billion different perspectives
that applies only to the depersonalized interactions.

girls don't really believe in anything. They would eventually hijack your community and turn it into a harem for chad

>>81657026
>there are only "it just so happens that"s.
yeah, you guessed it
these are simple properties, there's no meaning behind it, nor will there ever be
it just is what it is

>humanity experiences the illusion of purpose
it's not so much an illusion as it is a construct
an illusion implies it doesn't quite exist despite seeming so, a construct is something that wasn't supposed to be there but it was constructed anyway
we build these purposes and meanings in our heads to guide us toward some goal, maybe that goal is to become better people, maybe it's to be happy, or something more abstract
but since shit's devoid of meaning, we can come up with anything that'll put our minds at ease, that's why i said the void opens up possibilities

>forced to need social interaction
that's just how humans have evolved to be, really
if you think about it, it's a good thing to need social interaction because without it, we couldn't survive, or at least, our chances of surviving would plummet
rarely anyone is fully autonomous, we all rely on others to deliver food to our tables, to connect us to a website, to provide us water and eliminate our waste, etc.
i'm not saying it doesn't suck, but it's there for a reason

>i just don't want to be lonely.
i'm sending you a virtual hug then, anon
i'm sorry i can't be there to deliver it to you personally, as much as i wish i could, but the thought is there
here's hoping your loneliness goes away with time, that some people show up in your life and fill that void in your heart, or at least part of it
just please don't close yourself off when the opportunity does knock, ok?

>>81657940
thx i'm not gonna give up completely just feeling down yknow