What do you guys think about women and romantic skill? I am a guy and I am pretty shit at dating. However, I think even my poor romantic / dating skills are better than that of the average woman if the roles were reversed. I have met / talked to quite a few women and I get the suspicious feeling that a lot of them are dogshit at romance and dogshit at "making moves" or whatever. Now is this by virtue that women don't have to do as much when it comes to dating? Like if you were to ask a woman "Try and romance that guy." What would it even entail? I honestly believe that a large majority of women are actually dog shit at dating / romance and are carried by the fact that men have to do a lot of romantic advancing. What do you think? Can a woman be romantic or even charming?

Looking back at my own life. I don't think I recall ever meeting a woman that was sort of charming to me. I have definitely met women who will sort of "throw" themselves at you but is that really charming?

I think it depends on the culture and if she really wants someone (i.e. Chad.) My Brazilian girlfriend is very romantic and charming, but I can't help but feel it's for a green card.

>>81658024
What are some things that you find romantic or charming about her? In my mind, women cannot be charming in the typical USA mindset or whatever. I don't think our dating culture really enables women to be charming or romantic. Dating in the USA is effectively just women agreeing or disagreeing with things. Its all just the man asking to do things with / to the woman.

>>81657394 (OP)
I don't know, I have never been on the receiving end of that sort of stuff (that's why I'm fucking here).

But I've seen my attractive friends get attention from women, and they seem to put a lot of effort into making them feel good.
They dress nice for them, listen to everything they have to say (remembering everything and quoting it in future conversation), invite them to fun activities, etc.

>>81658043
Things like pic related, the breakfast she made for us on our 6-month anniversary (I guess in Brazil they recognise and celebrate monthly milestones). Tbh I feel kinda bad cause I don't reciprocate that romantic/charming vibe and it is a problem between us.

>>81657394 (OP)
you'd think with how all hoes now try to go for one guy that some would start developing some better flirting schemes that go beyond
>*stare at him form across the room*
>*laugh whenever he says something*
>*dress in a way that he *might* like*

>>81658211
>you will never have a woman make you heart shaped pancakes
I don't know if I have the strength to live anymore.

>>81658335
>>*laugh whenever he says something*
That one actually kind of reminds me of when I went to a party and a woman was laughing at my jokes extra hard. I am not a good joke teller and most of my jokes are middle ground funny. Never hysterical funny. She was laughing hysterically. Not sure if I like how women flirt. I remember thinking in my head when it happened "There is no way that joke was that funny right?