>>81705517 (OP)he looks good honestly, and this is why the dudes over at fit are always saying normies have no real grasp of physiques. average person will see him and be like "yeah hes got some muscle" and in another year where he gets some chest and core development going they'll go "wow this guy must work out a lot". I have people ringing me up at the grocery store asking me if i work out every day, and coworkers/ friends saying i look buff when i have an honestly mostly middling physique. I look pretty good with my shirt off cause i've drilled core and back hard, but in clothes i'm mostly unremarkable, yet my gains become a conversation piece at random. also
>>81705565contrary to what this board tells you most girls are ambivalent towards that level of muscular development in picrel. it doesn't make you a pussy magnet, you still have to play the game and chat them up. only hop on gear for your own fulfillment/ desires because i guarantee it will not give you what you want socially.