How come the world's shittiest country is a negro nation next to the USA? Haiti is arguably the worst place to live in, at least other African shitholes have tribal rule to fall back on but Haiti is just complete anarchy

>>81725933 (OP)
god cursed them for genociding french people

>>81725933 (OP)
France put a 100 year economic sanction on them because they pissed them off by winning their war for freedom Then the US stole their gold in the 20s and since then they've just been undermined by strongmen left in the wake of foreign interference and racial segmentation from the original colorism system left by the early colony days
Plus they get fucked by earthquakes on top of that so there's never really any peace

>>81725993
how does any of that explain the country being run by cartels

>>81725946
This.
>>81725993
Shut up faggot.

>>81725933 (OP)
The funny thing is that Haiti has pretty decent conditions for a strong tourism industry, just spam ads about being the original anti slavery revolution to afro-americans. Compared to the countries in the Sahel, Haiti is easily fixable

>>81726007
Because instability is where strong men like papa doc rise from
France crippled it so it could never be solvent
Us exploited it as it did central and South America
What part of that is confusing to you?
You remember when they chopped the queen of Frances head off?
Same situation but unfortunately the people Haiti was up against had world power status so there wasn't really ever any true progress allowed to be made

>>81725993
>>81726091
>dey dindu nuffin
>is wypipo's fault
story as old as time

>>81726117
You are not intelligent enough to be in this conversation
Surely there's a Blacked bait thread that needs your very divided attention

>>81726091
What happened in the early 1800s doesn't really matter though, Haitis problems are mostly due to being completely unable to have a single good leader during the entire 20th century and not having some resource to carry the economy.

>>81725993
yeah so they were left with no options other than gang violence!
it would be utterly unfeasible for them to idk maybe work as builders, craftsmen, artisans, and farmers because uhhhh *checks notes* white people did some shit 100 years ago

>>81726158
Why do midwits go
>That was 200 bajillion years ago it has no relevance
The reason they don't have any good leadership is due to France economically cucking them so they could never establish good economic conditions to develop good social conditions that would elevate quality leadership into positions of influence
Then the us took them over under the guise of securing its own economic interest and in that in turn created deep hatred and resentment in a population that had only just overthrown their previous white tyrants
The rebound effect naturally would be to boast a very strong man nationalist
The only kinds of leaders that spawn from that chaos are looted dictators who rule the country a lifetime before getting overthrown by their generals but not before wiring the entire countrys funds to a swiss bank account for retirement abroad
If France doesn't economically sanction them and the US doesn't occupy them Haiti would be in much better standings then it is
That's assuming the US didn't just overthrow any good leader Haiti did elect for the benefit of their corporatist class like they did in South America
Do you know the origin of the term banana Republic?

>>81726230
yeah i'm sure it has nothing to do with kicking out all the white and mixed race people
i can't imagine why that diplomatically isolated them either

>>81726125
>You are not intelligent enough
quintessential midwit response

>>81726173
>yeah so they were left with no options other than gang violence!
>Gee why didn't people In the middle of economic destitution just open up a bakery or something
Your lack of critical thinking skills or basic comprehension of human nature is very appalling

>>81726243
Jesus Christ
You are very fucking stupid

>>81725993
Haiti also had to pay reparations to the people who enslaved them, kek. Imagine that.

The west crippling another society then complaining about their broken leg is a tale as old as time

>>81726247
I'm sorry if that hurt your fragile ego but you are not intellectual enough for this discussion

>>81726248
yeah uh huh isn't it amazing that countries emerged from the ashes of ww2 and managed to have their shit together really quickly? and despite guns being everywhere

>>81726243
They didnt kick all the white people out, only the french because they were evil slavers. Irish and polish weren't kicked out and some of them still live in Haiti today

Haitians are just niggers. You can't fix niggers. The issue is genetic. The nigger lovers ITT will throw every excuse in the book to avoid the reality that it is genetic.

>>81726269
Yeah and the irony is Haiti offered to remain a loyal subject to the French empire and all they wanted in return was to be allowed to have their own constitution in it one such provision was the outlaw of slavery
Naturally Napoleon did the only logical thing he could do
Seethe and try to subjugate Haiti
He lost
Threw a tantrum and decide to just nuke its economy when he couldn't control it
Goes to show whites are not as intelligent as they gaslight you into believing

>>81726286
Not him but most of the countries you're referring to(Im assuming Europe?) received a massive bailout of US tax dollars(Marshall plan) to rebuild their nations infrastructure

>>81726286
The conditions of Haiti are nothing like other post war countries
The ONLY comparable comparison you could make is when the allies economically gaped Germany after ww1 sending the country into ruin
They only got of it because a failed painter started a war time economy and went around looting neighboring Europeans

>>81726304
Bro you can look at China, Greece, Finland, and even North Africa, Spain, and Latvia none of which received Marshall aid. I'm not sure if Japan did.

>>81726230
Haiti fucked up by killing the europeans instead of just deporting them, otherwise the brits would have been happy to trade with them and the americans more ambivalent towards them.
Strongman leaders are fine if they are the type to build infrastucture to brag (see their island neighbours/all of Europe), Haiti needed a unified protestant church to teach everyone to read

>>81726322
>They only got of it because a failed painter started a war time economy and went around looting neighboring Europeans
hahahahahaha
>money is zero sum
typical third worldist with zero understanding of what money is
did you go to the Mugabe school of Zimbabwean economics?
here's a hint, dumbass, humans create wealth and trade is not even necessary to do that

Reminder President Jovenel Moise of Haiti refused the covid shots and was assassinated on 7 July 2021. Two weeks after his assassination the shots were being injected into the population.
In Tanzania President John Magufuli said >You should stand firm. Vaccinations are dangerous
He disappeared from public view and his death was announced from "heart failure" in March 2021.
In Burundi President Nkurunziza expelled WHO officials from the country and refused to impose restrictions. Soon after that he died in June 2020.
Strange isn't it that the three most vocal opponents of lockdowns and vaccines in 2020 and 2021 ended up dead

>>81726304
Americans vastly overstate the impact of the marshall plan, it was seriously 5% of american GDP to get half of Europe as vassals, you spent 20% of GDP as stimulus during covid

>>81726290
yeah bro i'm sure the angry genocide mob gave a shit

>>81726353
Thats nice but you're just overloading apples and oranges comparisons. None of those places were sanctioned off or received that must damage anyway during ww2.(And latvia is still poor anyway)

But even if you were correct so what? Your logic is like saying "Well if these 6 people got hit by a car and survived they must be superior to the one person that didnt" and completely ignoring what kind of car, how fast it was going or the state of that person at the time

>>81726353
>Bro you can look at China
They received aid from another country. Guess which one?
>Greece, Finland, and even North Africa, Spain, and Latvia
They weren't hit that hard at all on the grand scale of things. Plus, Marshall aid wasn't the only aid programme.
>I'm not sure if Japan did.
The US invested significantly into Japan

>>81726275
emotionally charged language and projection
effeminate redditor making excuses for xir pet nigs, makes sense

>>81726359
Nope at that point the Europeans had gone to far to much animosity had been shed
Let me educate you
The Haitian revolutionaries had a sensible leader who did not want to escalate the bloodshed he wanted to end the conflict
So he accepted an invitation by France for a parlance and when he arrived he was arrested and died in a French prison
The French colonizers were brutally murdered after that
France had its chance for peace but like all whites the idea of being on equal terms with non whites is unthinkable so rather than peace they got slaughtered
You seem to ignore they spared the polish Europeans

>>81726385
How did I know you were going to downplay what he said

>>81726299
Yes pretty much

Every topic with them just ends up with denial or low-tier race science because their people have been brainwashed by colonial propaganda for a while now. I mainly only have this convos online so that OTHER people can read and gain knowledge, these people are too far gone and can't be convinced no matter how much evidence they're slapped with

>>81726405
Stop being offended because you aren't intelligent enough to hold meaningful conversation

>>81726405
Projection? That anon presented a point and was met with this >>81726117 drivel. That was not projection. It was an insult because of the low quality post that was presented. You're a little bitch who can't handle facts and you should get topped on grindr like the bitch you are.

>>81726299
haitians committed genocide
they should have been all killed
france went easy on their asses

>>81726407
Almost every conflict could have been avoided if any one thing didn't happen, but i still stand by that they needed to unify the church and try to get everyone to read.
Also, poles were seen as mongol rapebabies at this point in history
Still think Haiti has a possibly bright future as a tourist hotspot for "nationalistic" african americans

>>81726407
>they spared the polish Europeans
of course, the polish always side with niggers, being white niggers themselves

>>81726447
Haitians tried for peace and in return for their olive Branch they were spar on
Haitians were 100% justified in their unliving of the French

>>81726451
>poles were seen as mongol rapebabies at this point in history

By other white people, maybe. But the point is the haitians obviously saw them as white and european(Which they are) and did not kill them or any other europeans. But yes, that's completely glossed over to paint some white victimhood narrative that the evil haitians were just brutes and wanted to kill all the white people

>>81726432
>>81726439
Blacks are incapable of creating a functioning state. Here you go sweatys, an irrefutable fact.
But keep writing meaningless paragraphs excusing black incompetence and their inability to function beyond small tribal societies (:

>>81726451
Do you know who this is?

>>81726458
Im surprised Europe hasn't started its third world war I find it hilarious you think some brown people are the biggest threat to your continent when you have killed more over your own people then they ever will

>>81726472
>noo stop discussing things I'm not smart enough to understand or talk about, listen to my simplified wrong opinion!!!

No, now enjoy your (You) don't eat it all too fast

>>81726472
You're still.to unintelligent for this conversation I don't understand why you can't grasp that

>>81726478
No, i am unfortunately quite uneducated in haitian history, im just going of how countries usually develop positively. Being stuck in the past benefits no one

>>81726519
>>81726513
Literally non arguments. Niggers are a plague but you people that enable them are far worse.

>>81726387
It's not genocide if they attack/harm you first and the fact of the matter is in any black vs white conflict; white people are pretty much the aggressors in 90% of the cases and yet still black people were and are still willing to negotiate and find middle ground even when dealing with slavers. Black people are too nice

>>81726488
Too old and too many rootless immigrants, the political and societe class doing their best Iran before revolution LARP isn't helping either

>>81726540
What argument do you want when you've posted none?

>>81726526
Why do you think that's some magic fix for generations of subterfuge?
The only reason they can't stop thinking of all the negatives is precisely BECAUSE of the past
The only reason Haiti has Papa doc is because France killed touissant. The leaders that followed him were much less capable of navigating the mess France had left for future descendants of Haiti
Dark skin Haitians clashed with Light skinned Haitian over power and influence
A mess created by France racial caste system something that persisted WELL after France had left the island
100 years after Haiti won its independence it had an anchor tied around its throat dragging it into financial insolvency
You people really need to stop relying on that crutch empty platitude of
>ITS IN THE PAST
It shows a very serious lack of critical thinking skills
Haiti is quite literally simply cause and effect

>>81726561
Dont reply to it, let it tantrum and starve

>>81726548
Well I guess that's good for them then 100s of million of Europeans won't be killed by other Europeans then

>>81726589
It's ok, he's getting there anyway

>>81726513
Not an argument.
I will even provide an example to back up what I've said: South Africa.
Whitey gave them the power over a functional state that was on its way to become a nuclear power and look where they are now.
I will provide another: Zimbabwe.
Virtually the entire world supported the removal of whites from power. Rhodesians wanted to create an educated class of blacks to hand over the reins of power to them, but no, the entire world hit Rhodesia with sanctions and finally Mugabe got his wish and turned a once prosperous nation which was an exporter of food into a starving shithole that relies on foreign aid for survival and even that doesn't help.
>>81726519
Concession accepted.

Also for anyone who actually has a brain look into Liberia, how it came into being and its history of unrest, slavery, child soldiers and cannibal wars. Truly another example of black brilliance.

>>81726605
>Also for anyone who actually has a brain look into Liberia
>What if America sent their Europeanized Africans to Africa with the same sense of undue superiority Europeans had to everyone else they invaded
>What could possibly go wrong

>>81726585
Haiti is very close to the worlds largest market that singlehandedly stands for 1/3 of worlds consumer spending, which has a large minority that feel an ethnic kinship with the haitian natives, any gang making any beachresort safe will print infinte money. Haiti may have been fucked over in the past but their situation is very salvagable

>>81726597
No they will just be taxed into extinction because Agatha 92 refuses to die and her pension has to paid and Mohammed needs gibs for his 7 children and 2 wifes

>>81726605
Whitey still owns 70% of the land in SA actually. Despite that, SA was actually POORER during apartheid and had a higher murder rate then so the talking point that it went to shit AFTER apartheid is a lie. It was always shit but it was worse back then. These are examples of societies that were already broken and were given to a broken people to try and patch up with little to zero resources.

But once again your tiny racialized brain can't even form any talking points besides "Cause black".

But enough about that, i'm not entertaining your goal post shifting. The conversation is on Haiti and how France and the US went out of their way to destroy Haiti

>>81726640
It's salvageable MAYBE just depends on the conditions
Sure a gang could try to establish peace so they could make money on tourism but I doubt that would work for the same reason noone would visit cartel controlled areas that were peaceful and nice to look at
Problem is non American Blacks and Black people everywhere else have to different mentalities
For example
Black Dominicans go
I'm Dominican I'm not black
Africans call Black Americans ungrateful or unworthy because they only view the African Americans lifestyle through the lens of people who hate them White Americans
And African Americans do the same they view Africans though the lens white Americans view them as savages who live in bushes but I think that's more to do with them reflexively responding to the anti African American sentiment they receive from Africans so it might all just be circular

>>81726298
It really is that simple. Haitians may even be the dumbest least capable niggers on the planet.

>>81726684
>Hyperbole to make his "point" seem more cognent
>X is bad BUT Y IS EVEN SOMEHOW WORSE

>>81726682
Im not american, just curious, how do american blacks view black people in the rest of the americas and specifically Haiti, because i imagine they view them with sympathy

>>81726707
Your average African American views them sympathetically because they know what it's like to get fucked over by a system designed to label your life as worthless as for other Blacks of the Latinx variety like I said they see someone as Dark as night even darker then they are go
>I no Black I Dominican
And outwardly criticize such mentalities because the people in other parts have been so colonized to disdain their Black skin they'll calm to be from the moon before they pridefully claim to be Black

>>81726705
Basically the niggers of the niggers. Haitians fit the bill considering their inability to build anything worthwhile.

>>81726771
>Alright you caught my hyperbole game but [circular logic]

>>81726752
Focusing on building a national identity is probably smart if you want a functioning country, even if it is multiethnic. New world nationalism always seems a bit excessive and performative.
Another thing which should help Haiti is remittances from the USA, i strongly doubt Trump will manage to deport all that many and i imagine a dollar goes far in Haiti, the philipines has a similar idea.
Haiti is the most fucked country in the americas but compared to some landlocked countries in Africa their potential and future is blindingly bright

>>81726781
>I call the things I dont like for le hyberbole, the guys at redddit will applaude
>additional greentext arrow for added effect

>>81726618
Again, "dey dindu nuffin, is wypipo's fault!!"
It's nice that you've ignored the entire post and just focused on this one part. I assume that you've got no lies and half-truths to try and rebut those undisputable facts.
I'll turn it on you though:
>"europeanised africans" (lol) witnessed the horrors of chattel slavery first-hand
>proceed to have 0 empathy for their fellow blacks and treat them worse than whites treated them back in america
>give blacks a modicum of power, what could possibly go wrong
>>81726664
>Whitey still owns 70% of the land in SA actually
Yes... farmers usually own large swathes of land and farmers in Africa tend to be white.
>SA was actually POORER during apartheid
I'm assuming you're talking about GDP per capita. I hope that's not what you're trying to do.
>apartheid and had a higher murder rate
Only towards the end, iss dey cultcha. Other countries around the world have experienced a decrease in murder rate since the 90's as well. Except South Africa's has been increasing since the 2000's and now it's one of the highest in the world.
>These are examples of societies that were already broken and were given to a broken people to try and patch up with little to zero resources.
Rhodesians wanted to decolonise Zimbabwe peacefully by creating a class of black politicians and experts who could lead the country.
South Africa, just like Rhodesia, got hit with sanctions and was FORCED to hand over the power to the blacks. They wanted power, they got it and they fucked it all up.
>The conversation is on Haiti
Blacks can't form a successful state and that's a fact. Not a single successful black society in mankind's history, except for small petty kingdoms which relied on raiding and later trade with Europeans and Arabs.

>>81726828
Sigh here we go
You're entire worldview boils down to
>Peaceful Black people
>whites brutalize them
>Now Black people are no longer peaceful people
>You:See they are savages this is why we had to initially brutalize them
Circular logic

Why is it that blacks can never have a stable government? Even North Korea managed it even if it is a shithole.

>>81726820
It's not really easy to build those things I'm afraid
They've been fucked over to long
Only strong men can get into power
And if any transformative figures did get into power the American corporate elite would just have the US topple them and plant some story in the media about them using child soldiers or something
The problem is Haitis proximity to The US

>>81725993
>>81726269
all that rebelling seems like it was for nothing then
eastern europeans and chinks had long stretches of extreme strife and they are fine now. At least balkanoids have the decency the recognize their unimportance in the grand scheme of things and are more than happy to be puppets to westerners.
Why can't africans do the same? Why are they only warming up to the idea of soft-serfdom when it China's time to carve up Africa?

>>81726855
>White people always manage to be around
>Gee those Africans just can't seem to figure it out
Excuse me I need to make sure no leader gets elected that could effect my importation of cobalt mined by children in the congo. Whoops looks like some radical is gaining popularity for a standard of living in Africa better have the CIA empower a general to kill him and seize the country

>>81725933 (OP)
>world's shittiest country is a negro nation
You already answered your question.

>the niggerinos would totally have had wakanda by now if it wasn't for whitey
mfw reddit anarcho-communist LARPers actually believe this

>>81726878
Third world defeatism, the type you are clearly showing is always a bit sad to see. Although at this point it's as widespread in Europe as it ever was in the third world, america still stands as a slightly delusional shining hill. The only other optimistic country is China. Quite sad development but i geuss it's natural when you either stand still in a shithole (global south) or are actively regressing (Europe)

>>81726892
Freedom is worth any price
The conditions were so brutal they had to ship in thousands of slaves every month to keep up production
For the Haitians there was literally no other way it was either rebel or die
The reason Africans are more fine with the Chinese is because they are doing what Europeans have always lied about
Building infrastructure in Africa

>>81726929
Americans.steong men just wear suits and buy it's hilarious buffoonish representatives
Third world strong men will order the general to take his men and Gun you down because you wrote a scathing post about them on social media

why do people think saying "just leave africa" alone means they're saying "they dindu nuffin"?

>>81726402
Ok well ummmm... FUCK NIGGERS

>>81727024
>FUCK NIGGERS
Hot sex with African women

Oh boy is that a leader of a non white country promising to give his citizens a higher quality of life at the expense of a few percent of my bottom line? Well we can't have that now can we

>>81726954
>Freedom is worth any price
Except literally paying the price for it kek
>The reason Africans are more fine with the Chinese
They're nostalgic for the colonial days. Back when they weren't stealing copper cables just to have something to eat for a day and their buildings and infrastructure weren't rusting and crumbling down.
>doing what Europeans have always lied about Building infrastructure in Africa
Blacks who have anything more sophisticated than a mudhut and dirt paths have Europeans to thank for it.

Why are financial interests like this?

>>81727073
It doesn't matter how bad the outcome Freedom is worth it
The other option was literally death
No amount of semantics you utilize will change that

>>81727081
I don't know, ask those interests next time you visit Israel

>>81726954
>Freedom is worth any price
they are free to be ruled by warlords now with even less rule of law. Grand prize indeed.
Starting from Napoleon and keeping the same past tense frame of reference
>For the Haitians there was literally no other way
how much longer will they wait until someone that's not totally morally corrupt gets in power?
>The reason Africans are more fine with the Chinese is because
the Chinese are a lot more willing to engage in petty and gross corruption to the detriment of the continent, the world, and even the average Chinese citizen.
They at least get some dams while the ruling class of is lining their pockets with embezzled money and bribes. Selling the country for pennies.
That's the real tale as old as time
You implying that these people will ever catch a break is pure fantasy.

>>81726830
>Yes... farmers usually own large swathes of land and farmers in Africa tend to be white.

You are a disingenuous fag and i don't think you can be reasoned with if thats your stance, talking with you is a waste of time but i'll entertain a little more

>I'm assuming you're talking about GDP per capita. I hope that's not what you're trying to do.

Pretty much EVERY metric used to determine a nation's poverty has shown only progress since apartheid ended

> Except South Africa's has been increasing since the 2000's and now it's one of the highest in the world.

Not that any of this is remotely true(Many south American countries have increased), it has nothing to do with the fact that pretty much none of SA's metrics have gotten worse since apartheid ended.

>Blacks can't form a successful state and that's a fact. Not a single successful black society in mankind's history, except for small petty kingdoms which relied on raiding and later trade with Europeans and Arabs.

Again your lack of education and dismissal doesn't make something true just because you say so. As of today, there are no black state's that haven't been negatively impacted by white people. That much is true

Diamonds are fucking worthless
>While De Beers historically did manipulate the diamond market by stockpiling diamonds to control prices, they have shifted away from this practice. They no longer hoard diamonds to the same extent and now sell the majority of what they mine, provided there is a willing buyer. They have even been known to crush excess diamonds for industrial use

>Examples of active destabilization get posted
>Suddenly racists don't want to argue with those posts anymore

>>81727232
>CIA
yeah kike puppets are evil
what of it?

>>81727132
>Pretty much EVERY metric used to determine a nation's poverty has shown only progress since apartheid ended
Most of the world has shown improvement in decreasing poverty. It doesn't mean much, just like GDP per capita. Doesn't change the fact that most of their population struggles with paying for food, housing, dealing with constant power and water outages. A lot of the time caused by criminals stealing metals like copper wire to sell them.
>Not that any of this is remotely true(Many south American countries have increased),
Significant black/zambo population in those too. Very violent people, just like black Africans. Also you calling anyone disingenuous and then implying that South Africa's crime rate isn't one of the highest in the world in one post kek
>it has nothing to do with the fact that pretty much none of SA's metrics have gotten worse since apartheid ended.
Yeah and that's the case with most of the world. Crime has dropped worldwide. Though white collar crime has seen a significant increase in South Africa since 1990's.
>your lack of education and dismissal doesn't make something true just because you say so
Ad hominem and also it does cause I'm speaking straight fax yo
>there are no black state's that haven't been negatively impacted by white people
And there are no black states that didn't rely on foreign aid from white countries, which is something they didn't have to do. West Europeans could've just left Africa and blacks by themselves and left it at that.