Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:56:19 AM No.81728626
I would just like to thank the aggressors that provoked me into evolving.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:06:06 AM No.81728700
>>81728626 (OP)
I find myself in a place where I can't love God anymore but I find Aquinas's First Way to be the best argument for God I have ever seen.
I find myself in a place where I can't love God anymore but I find Aquinas's First Way to be the best argument for God I have ever seen.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:19:09 AM No.81728784
>>81728700
Nah this is fucking stupid.
Right out of the gate we have to acknowledge that this "thing" that is trying to be proven is not the Christian God. It's not any god at all. It's a deliberately vague concept of a "mover" who is called God. If anything the "mover" CANNOT be the God of the Bible given God's numerous depicted imperfections.
The concept of "potential" and "actual" is fucking stupid because all so-called "potential" objects are already doing things. To call water simply "potential ice" is ludicrous given the insane amount of things water is involved in on planet Earth, including humanity's own existence.
When water becomes ice it is changing between states of matter. It was water and it's now ice. It's not potential becoming actual, it's shifting from one kind of thing to another.
This whole argument is a very bad and convoluted way to explain causality, the length of the explanation are deliberate filler to make the argument look more thorough than it is.
"This chain cannot be infinitely long." and "An infinite number of inert members cannot do anything." are baseless statements. Why can't a chain of causality be infinitely long? It's an evidence-free assertion not even based on sound logic. The members are not "inert", all things are in constant motion and constantly changing. Reducing causality to one simple change is an insult to reality itself. We know why water freezes and why plants grow, a "mover" is not required for any of those things.
The "best argument for God" is sophistry slop.
Nah this is fucking stupid.
Right out of the gate we have to acknowledge that this "thing" that is trying to be proven is not the Christian God. It's not any god at all. It's a deliberately vague concept of a "mover" who is called God. If anything the "mover" CANNOT be the God of the Bible given God's numerous depicted imperfections.
The concept of "potential" and "actual" is fucking stupid because all so-called "potential" objects are already doing things. To call water simply "potential ice" is ludicrous given the insane amount of things water is involved in on planet Earth, including humanity's own existence.
When water becomes ice it is changing between states of matter. It was water and it's now ice. It's not potential becoming actual, it's shifting from one kind of thing to another.
This whole argument is a very bad and convoluted way to explain causality, the length of the explanation are deliberate filler to make the argument look more thorough than it is.
"This chain cannot be infinitely long." and "An infinite number of inert members cannot do anything." are baseless statements. Why can't a chain of causality be infinitely long? It's an evidence-free assertion not even based on sound logic. The members are not "inert", all things are in constant motion and constantly changing. Reducing causality to one simple change is an insult to reality itself. We know why water freezes and why plants grow, a "mover" is not required for any of those things.
The "best argument for God" is sophistry slop.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:20:33 AM No.81728795
it would be even better if there WAS an event horizon
>going to the store
for example
>going to the store
for example
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:21:09 AM No.81728801
>>81728784
one simple chain*
Basically all things are being affected by a near infinite amount of other things. It's not A to B to C, it's A and B and C and D and E affecting F and G and H and I and J is also affecting A and B is poking at Z.
Causality is not one "chain".
one simple chain*
Basically all things are being affected by a near infinite amount of other things. It's not A to B to C, it's A and B and C and D and E affecting F and G and H and I and J is also affecting A and B is poking at Z.
Causality is not one "chain".
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:26:30 AM No.81728835
>>81728784
>>81728801
I will not claim God is good - as a matter of fact, I prefer the term "Demiurge", but you are a fool to think He doesn't exist when those who rule over the society you live in worship biblical entities. Satanic symbolism and rituals are everywhere in the upper echelons of the population.
>>81728801
I will not claim God is good - as a matter of fact, I prefer the term "Demiurge", but you are a fool to think He doesn't exist when those who rule over the society you live in worship biblical entities. Satanic symbolism and rituals are everywhere in the upper echelons of the population.