Why are so many men submissive? Females are overwhelmingly submissive so what's the benefit of being submissive for men? Seems like they're just reducing their mate value. Is this just because of modernity?

>>81730985 (OP)
well my dad is a pretty big guy, loud and angry, and not afraid to let me know these things
so that's 90% of it

well considering you never even hugged a girl how would you know? :P

>>81730985 (OP)
sub and dom is bullshit bro i just wanna love and be loved. neither one of us should feel lesser than the other or feel the need to perform some role

>>81730993
are you saying you get turned on by your dad

im only submissive because society says wanting a woman to pin you down or spit on you is submissive

>>81730985 (OP)
Its mostly just virgins who are afraid of rejection and hate themselves

>>81731052
so theyre fundamentally dommy too just not in touch with themselves and low confidence?

>>81731014
i'm not answer the second half of OP's question because i don't buy into that being a sexual thing

>>81731071
This is me.
I am this.

>>81731071
Probably yeah
I used to think i was submissive but then i started talking to women and realised how gay it is to be a sub guy

>>81731076
so i guess you just skipped out on your rebellious phase and kept being a good boy. id kinda expect a big, loud, angry type dad to not want a wimpy kid though

>>81730985 (OP)
Depends but alot of it is just fags being gay. Why are fags gay? You ask. Many were hurt by women or realized they are all worthless whores that put 0 effort into life, love, sex. So rather than struggle with unenthusiastic women they seek to become the "women" they idealized but never found or fucked because sucking a dick is literally too much work for 99% of chicks

>>81731125
i think you're transfixed on something that is not

>>81730985 (OP)
For me, it's not about being submissive.
I just want a woman to be very overt in her interest before I can escalate. If she escalates, then it is easy for me to to so.
Sadly, I always get the silent ones who give me absolutely nothing. They might want me and be wet for me, but they will never tell me.
Then there's the whole bullshit about MeToo and women openly being Chad-only.
Men now assume the worst, unless she gives him a fuckload of green signals; ones that are blatantly obvious to us.
Women are infamous for their 'subtle' signals that men simply do not perceive as green lights. Make it obvious, FFS.