Legit, what is the argument for women not approaching men?

>>81740441 (OP)
it would require women to take action and responsibility

>>81740441 (OP)
They don't need to.
That's like asking why don't potential customers seek out telemarkers and call them first?

>>81740441 (OP)
argument? you mean reason and thats biology. just imagine seeing another species evolve that way and then suddenly expect their biological tendencies to change because they enchanted rocks to doomscroll

>>81740441 (OP)
They don't have to. They can just wait for men to approach.

>>81740466
>They don't need to.
/thread

>>81740466
*telemarketers rather

>>81740441 (OP)
Only really tradition. This is also evident from the fact that mostly conservative women say that they have no intention of approaching men.
I'm not going to approach because I'm shy and I'm not able to at the moment. But I'm working on it.

>>81740477
>Only really tradition
and where did that tradition come from?
>This is also evident from the fact that mostly conservative women say that they have no intention of approaching men.
the key word here is "say." being conservative they're more willing to come out with it, meanwhile biology trumps all so progressive women still won't approach but they won't admit it considering all that it implies

>>81740441 (OP)
For bunch of reasons with one of the main being women are not attracted to men and women don't understand it themselves. I was typing about this out few minutes but got a migraine, read my bleg:

https://concealedovulation.substack.com/p/women-are-not-attracted-to-men-a

>>81740477
I'm mentally fucked on approaching and flirting as well because of trauma I got as a kid.
Basically the most I can do is try a conversation on Tinder or like talk to a girl in a bar or a college party.
Getting an actual girlfriend any other way is impossible for me
My dating life is so fudcked bros

>>81740441 (OP)
Look at the horned up frenzy the in which the average man reacts just to the presence of a woman. Now imagine the state of horniness a man would be in if the woman was actually going after him. It would not work. On average. Women avoid most men out of fear.
>uh uh buh buh buh not me
Anyone on this board is far from the average man but it does not matter because the average still is.

>>81740534
Have you ever interacted with a man in your life?

>>81740501
It depents what do you mean what tradition comes from. We don't know much about paeolithc/neolithic dating. About bronze and iron age more. But still not that much. It depends on country and the system. Matriarchal cultures probably operated differently in this regard, but I don't have much information on that considering I mainly deal with European medieval history.
I don't know in what world you exist. Most of my woman friends (are progressive) are approach men and they are the one that ask about daiting. I would love to do that to. I did try by like I said. I am to shy for it for now.

>>81740552
https://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A

>>81740533
I understand you. But if you want to feel better you have to fight this trauma. This will hinder you in life, not only in romance. I'm working on being shy, I hope you manage to overcome your trauma.

>>81740441 (OP)
im shy and moids make me nervous

>>81740441 (OP)
We will fuck them out of convenience, not inconvenience

>>81740578
yeah but it's not only that but also a general clueless since i didnt really learn the romance social cues. Parties or tinder its easy but theyre not really for finding a girlfriend they are for hook ups but then how the fuck do you actually get a girlfriend then??? Like I genuinely have no clue

>>81740583
Shy online women craving romantic love and cuddles make me feel sad

>>81740606
i dont they can easily solve their problem while dudes in a similar situation need a monumental amount of effort and luck to get out of their situation.

>>81740595
The best places to find them are where you see them often. In additional classes(language, art stuff etc), volunteering, school/uni or work. Or of course friends and family. These are the most common and effective ways to find a potential girlfriend. Talk to her, get to know her and if you think you like her, ask her out. Sometimes, of course, she won't reciprocate the interest and sometimes she will.

>>81740606
dont be sad theres nothing to be sad at

>>81740623
Out of all of these classes is my only option which would suck because if you get rejected you see that person every day lmao. I more or less got the gist tho you need to find a girl, get in "we know each other we talked once or twice" terms, build good rapport with her and then try to ask her out. Of course all of this while having fluid conversation if you make yourself looks desperate (you are) its over if you make it too obvious you are into her shes gonna find it cringy also if you ask her out you need to do that in a nonchalant way otherwise its cringy romance needs to be implied and subtext never directly stated because showing interest makes people lose interest for some reason. All of this you need to do multiple times because odds of a girl not rejecting you is very low. Also they need to be from girls from different social circles because you end up poisoning your social well. Getting rejected lowers your social status. Also you need to be already emotionally involved with the girl so the rejection will hurt more. Holy shit no wonder gen Z doesnt approach this is miserable

Because if I do then you will just misstreat me and use me for sex cause you'll see me as granted

>>81740457
this is part of it, women are passive. men are supposed to take the initiative
it's also an inversion of the natural order. the one time a girl approached me and asked for my number it felt weird and I turned her down.

>>81740742
The internet has really messed with your head. If you're a cool guy with whom the woman has a similar topic, a similar sense of humor, and you just enjoy talking to each other. There's a really good chance it'll go well. Girls in real life are not asked out on dates as often as some people try to make you believe. I would say that I look very average, and in real life no man has ever complimented me or asked me out (except for men who are much too old).
Many women really expect very little, sometimes way too little from what I see (where they go for people who could be called incels). If you take care of your hygiene, your clothes, your hair is nice and you behave cool, most girls will agree to go on a date.

>>81740790
women want all the perks of equal rights but none of the obligations that comes with it. Traditional gender roles are le good when it benefits them lmao I hate this cognitive dissonance so much

>>81740441 (OP)
They approach Chad dumb dumb

>>81740441 (OP)
They are sluts, but don't want to be seen as one. Therefore they never ask men out.
If we somehow deprogrammed women into not being so bothered by social status, we would see a lot of women ask men out quite often.

I got approached by foids a couple of times but they just expected me to instantly fall for them
They don't want to work to earn your love they just simply expect it
It's pretty retarded, like men try a lot of times and actually put in the effort when they have someone they like, women just try with another guy lol

>>81740441 (OP)
As much as people can say 'muh biology' or 'muh tradition', the truth of the matter is... well, women chase feelings.

Because, apparently, feeling like you're 'wanted' comes before wanting someone else.

I've heard a NUMBER of women literally say that the whole POINT of them giving hints or subtle signals instead of saying what they want directly is because they want MORE than just something for themselves. They want the other people to want to give that something to her.

So, they'll bat their eyes or beat around the bush in conversations, not just because they're trying to get something out of you, but because they want YOU to be the one to come up with it.

Now if she REALLY wants it, she'll get it herself. Hence why she'll VEHEMENTLY chase the 9/10 Chad, but she'll still be suggestive around the 8/10 Tyrone... just, Tyrone has to make the first move.

There's also the secondary reason of 'plausible deniability'. By never directly saying she wants anything, she can hold someone else accountable if, after she gets something, she ends up not liking it. Basically, it's never her fault either.

>>81740828
>If you're a cool guy with whom the woman has a similar topic, a similar sense of humor, and you just enjoy talking to each other. There's a really good chance it'll go well
Don't think I can find a girl like that desu , probably very few people out there that would and I can only rely on chance... I'm a very unlucky person lol, it ain't happening. Not that there's a problem I'm very pragmatic about that. The issue is that
> the woman has a similar topic, a similar sense of humor, and you just enjoy talking to each other.
It really would realistically just be me building rapport. Picking a topic she's interested in, cracking jokes she wont get pissed about, changing your humor's tone depending on if she reciprocates certain jokes, controlling the flow of the conversation to entertain her is what happens.
This is something I do all the, mostly on Tinder. It's part of the hustle but it's really tiring because you're constantly walking on eggshells.
>Girls in real life are not asked out on dates as often as some people try to make you believe
Not trying to be mean but how old are you? Need to know if we are from the same generation, because I do agree that irl it doesnt happen often on social media it happens all the time probably way more often than I think.
>If you take care of your hygiene, your clothes, your hair is nice and you behave cool, most girls will agree to go on a date.
I don't really think this is the case IRL but it's not like I have anecdotal proof so who knows.
I think women are showered with attention by men on social media, at least zoomer women, so I don't see why they would set the bar so low. Doesn't makes sense to me

>>81740441 (OP)
>Legit, what is the argument for women not approaching men?
IKR. It's frustrating that most of them refuse to do it on principle (not that they have to anyway, as men are always interested).
So much for 'muh equality'. I'd really like to know there is overt interest from a woman before I can respond.
We've been so conditioned through MeToo, years of inceldom, and women being Chad-only, that we DON'T bother, unless they do. And they never do.

>>81740962
so while we want her, she wants to masturbate herself to us wanting her
new ick discovered