Throughout history, going back to classical antiquity, it was always said that the rich man gets the most beautiful women, not "chad." When it comes to getting stacies, the rich man will always have the upper hand on chad (assuming chad is low income or has much less money). Broke chad may get to date and hook up with a lot of average and below average looking women, but he's going to struggle with stacy. Women are still hypergamous, and even if stacy is chad's looksmatch, chad is unlikely to last very long with stacy, as stacy, especially in 2025, is going to recognize the extremely high monetary value of her body and know that she could easily get with a wealthy or rich guy. Compared to men, women seemingly care a lot more about money than sex. Maybe there's something else going on, and this is just an illusion, since men tend to make and have a bit more money than women, but the point still stands.

So, essentially, super hot 8/10+ chad gets to hook up with average looking and below average looking women (4 to 6/10) and will struggle dating a lot of these women due to being broke, since him being broke will result in frustration in the relationship. Chad will also look like a bit of a beta if his girlfriend makes quite a bit more money than him. The rich man doesn't struggle with this. Tons of women will flock to him for his wealth and status, even if he's a 2/10. The rich man will get to marry and reproduce with stacy without issue, and if he's smart, he'll get a prenup. Meanwhile, broke, beta-male-due-to-being-poor chad is going to struggle even getting a stacy to stick with him. The one exception would be a girl in her late teens or possibly early 20s who's very naive. Chad could quickly marry her and knock her up, but this relationship would become unstable once she gets older and realizes she reproduced with a broke loser.

Money is very unimportant, stop spamming

This idea is kinda buttocks considering most rich men actually have mid wives that are often also their high school or uni sweethearts. Stacies are courtesans essentially, they don't belong to anyone just rent out their pussies to the most pathetic of simps(the so called highest bidder).

>>81748607 (OP)
It's funny watching amateur sociology with internet terminology. Amusing

>>81748675
>considering most rich men actually have mid wives that are often also their high school or uni sweethearts.
This is bullshit. Rich men typically end up getting married later. They often end up getting married to wealthy women, but if he's a FUB, he might just go with a non-rich stacy.

>>81748607 (OP)
>he wants a girl to marry and spend the rest of his life with and not just reproduce

>>81748702
I actually have rich men in my distant family. Like major chain and worldwide plantation owners. They have completely run of the mill family lives, except that's it peaceful, no drama. I wonder if you realize how much of a privilege 50's familial idyll is.

>>81748607 (OP)
Nah females are just like us they care about appearance maybe 1 in 100 girls will go for money over looks

>>81748871
It is well known that career women have a more difficult time getting a partner, since they expect the man to be making a lot more than they make. For many decades, women have consistently stated they want a provider, which means a man who makes quite a bit more than them. Women naturally want a sense of security (from wealth), but they want this to come from their sexual partner. More wealthy also means more fun. If you're broke chad, you're not really going to be able to afford to do anything with your girlfriend.

Just become an oofy doofy betabuxxer and get divorce raped.

>>81748898
No shit females are hypergamous they want you to be better in every aspect. Would a girl ever choose a guy who's smaller than her over a guy that earns less than her though? Some third worlders maybe and the mythical gold digger but the vast majority of females would choose the taller guy. And height isn't even the most important factor towards looks in men. The two don't even come close.
Even personality beats betabux, truly one of the worst methods

>>81748998
Even if chad gets a stacy girlfriend, stacy will likely realize the immense monetary value attached to her body (A modern 8/10 escort in her 20s in 2025 can charge $2000 for one hour.), and she will cheat on you with a betabuxxer. The most sexually successful men out there are going to be rich chads, the kings of trust fund kids who also happen to have top-tier looks.

>>81749036
Chad doesn't have to marry. Once you marry, forget 2k for escorting, you put a target on your own back that's worth half your money. Some of the riches people on this planet are divorced women.

>>81749023
>but the vast majority of females would choose the taller guy.
Women in the past, like the 1950s and 1960s, would say they want a larger man. (This was before common obesity.) You would achieve a larger, stronger, more masculine and intimidating look through hypertrophy training. You will look like a bit of a super man if you're jacked. Being jacked at 5'11 is possibly better than being a skinny bitch at 6'4 through the eyes of most women. Yes, I am 5'11, and I don't feel short when I go out into public in the US. I am taller than most men. Almost everyone I see in public is shorter than me. How are most women going to tell that you're 5'11 or 6'1? Having bigger muscles also just makes me look like a larger person, just like being taller does for tall people, so there's a similar effect.

>>81749222
>You would achieve a larger, stronger, more masculine and intimidating look through hypertrophy training.
Looool now you're just trolling. Body building makes you LESS not more attractive to females. They're judging your genetics not your effort.

>>81749298
>They're judging your genetics not your effort.
How much muscle you can put on and maintain is largely due to genetics, but you always have to put in a ton of effort to get big. Women love a more masculine, that is, stronger, look in men. It's just that some women get intimidated by men who are more masculine and will rate them as less attractive, but men with more muscle tend to be more successful with women, even though most women rate really muscular men as being less attractive. Effort is also largely genetic, and if you're a high achiever, women will also be attracted to that.

>>81749351
>How much muscle you can put on and maintain is largely due to genetics,
Only that fitness in a nature context isn't about how much muscle you can put on. It's not even possible to get these builds in nature. Just looks gross and unnatural.

>Women love a more masculine, that is, stronger, look in men.
A strong masculine look is having wide clavicles, narrow hips, a tall frame alongside a healthy active lifestyle

>It's just that some women get intimidated by men who are more masculine and will rate them as less attractive,
Low trust faces still get rated as attractive though

> but men with more muscle tend to be more successful with women,
Vague statement if you move from an active lifestyle type body to a gymcel body you'll be less attractive and less successful with most females. Of course a minority prefers it just like there's a minority that likes bald guys more.

>Effort is also largely genetic, and if you're a high achiever, women will also be attracted to that.
That's like impressing a girl with your Overwatch skills.

Nah kys you cretinous betabuxx cuck. Men in 2025 have literally no reason to spend a single penny for foids.

> If you're a sub 8
Then foids won't even recognise your existence, no matter how you make or how your personality is. Even if you get a gf the money you spend for her literally ends up in chads wallet, as they'll never stop simping for chads.

> If you're a Chad
Then congrats, foids will give you everything. They'll shag you till your balls dry. They'll buy you a nice dinner. Literally they'll do everything.

Theres non such thing as middle class in dating market of 2025. Its chad or nothing for foids. Even normgroids are slowly realising that its a rigged game.

>>81749481
Women want a larger, stronger man. On average, taller people tend to be stronger than shorter people. Among men who don't lift, taller people will typically be stronger, and among men who do lift, taller people will typically be stronger. However, strength comes from muscle mass, so a man who is 5'6 could be several times stronger than a man who is 6'6. In the past, women just stated they want a larger man. They didn't state they want a taller man. A man who is 5'11 and really jacked will look much larger and more intimidating to most people than a man who is 6'4 and skinny. The only exception would be if the man who is 5'11 is actually shorter than you, but very few women are 5'11 and taller, and the muscle mass would still be a plus. People do associate height with masculinity and strength, but overall body mass matters more. Women are attracted to masculinity and strength. (Although, masculinity and strength are largely the same thing.)

>>81748607 (OP)
you should define the rich guy she marries from the chad she bangs in secret

>>81750722
>Then foids won't even recognise your existence, no matter how you make or how your personality is.
I literally saw a 6 or 7/10 white woman with a 3/10 obese nigger (and I'm being generous with this rating, since he might actually be a 2/10 simply due to him being a nigger) at the gym today. I didn't pay close attention him, but the nigger was likely around 6'2, but he was much weaker than me and fatter than me. He even touched her ass at one point. I doubt that nigger was some wealthy guy.

You have to remember that we're all a bit different mentally. Some women might just be retarded and not know the value of what they've got, lack the ability to accurately gauge the attractiveness of someone else, or have low self esteem despite being attractive. Some men just get really lucky. Technically, if you never go out and get zero exposure to women (so-called volume), you stand no chance getting a woman.

>as they'll never stop simping for chads.
There are women who will do this, but they'll almost always be ugly women, like 2/10 or less. She might be a divorcee in her 40s and want young 20s chad to blow her brains out in bed, but she's still unlikely to really want to spoil him. Compared to men, most women seemingly value money more than sex. Some guys might get lucky and find an ugly woman who is either a divorcee of a rich man or the ultimate trust fund kid, and she'll really give you a lot of money, but this would largely be up to luck.

>Its chad or nothing for foids.
This is true, and it's only been getting worse each year since 2019. Over 2/3rds of young men are single while less than 1/3rd of young women are single, so there are going to be way more men dating more than one woman than women dating more than one man, but of course, there are going to be lots of average-looking whores dating and fucking multiple chads at once. Imagine if the reverse were true: average-looking guys dating and fucking multiple stacies at once.

>>81748607 (OP)
rich men are dumb because they get married

>>81750868
The rich guy would still get to benefit from the fact that, especially if he got a decent prenup, that he's essentially secured himself an 8/10+ stacy. This would still be something difficult for chad to full off, especially if he's broke. Super hot stacy is likely going to discover the insane monetary value of her body (A modern 8/10 escort in her 20s in 2025 can charge $2000 for an hour of sex in the US, compared to around $400 back in 2019.), and she will likely be very incentivized to try to get with a wealthy guy, especially if she's from a low-income household, as this would instantly drastically increase the quality of her life. Lower class girls are known for becoming sugar babies and whoring themselves out for money. I personally know one of them, pic related.

I set up events for rich ppl. They get a bunch of Stacie's to a party or on a yacht or whatever. But most are just there for vanity reasons, like the mooches that drink your booze at a house party. The rich guys happy cause he can simp on all and a few will bite, but the Chad's always win.

>>81751249
Alright, but rich chad will always have the easiest time with women. 21-year-old top 1% ultra giga trust fund kid 9/10 chad could set up an exciting yacht party and get a bunch of stacies to have an orgy with him. (Irl, some of those girls might get weirded out from group sex, so maybe one at a time in practice, unless I'm such a sexually-inexperienced retard that I don't know most women wouldn't care.)

>>81748607 (OP)
The issue is that Chad will almost always be rich. He can do so many things to make money and will almost always succeed in any endeavour. He can sell anything on social media with his face, become a model, if he has a brain he can be successful in business and get promotions, if he's a retard he can get a sugar mommy that gives him tens of thousands a month while he fucks stacies on the side.

>>81751376
If you're East Asian you can work in host bars and makes MILLIONs a year from rich women that visit them as gifts. You often don't even need to fuck them.

>>81749298
You just have to be this ripped.

>>81751414
He's got skinny legs, but he's almost certainly on roids, even though he's not that buff. Steroids use is surprisingly common. Some women also have a muscle and roid rage fetish.
>t. roider

>>81751494
Yeah 100%
Roids tan and tattoos get you to a base that's widely attractive to most women, but your face still make or breaks it.

We're all human I just don't care anymore about these things. I'll do the best I can for me and hopefully for someone that can share life with me, if not, I'll keep going alone

Stop these demoralization threads

>>81751724
I, OP, too, really want someone. The thing is, women think very differently than men. They are hypergamous and seemingly have smaller sex drives on average. Most divorces are initiated by women. You want to be really careful when finding a woman, and I personally don't see much of a point if you don't plan on having children. Always get a prenup, unless it's the unlikely case where you're marrying a rich woman, but you could still technically get a prenup that really screws her over, like she has to give you more than 50% of her assets or something. I learned today that this is also a real thing.

>>81751711
>tattoos
Around 40 to 50% of young Americans between 18 and 35 have tattoos, with women being more likely to get them, but you're still going to look mentally ill if you have tattoos. You will have a rougher, more intimidating look to yourself, and this might appear masculine, but you'd still look a bit like a psycho.
>but your face still make or breaks it.
I'm a man, but when I determine a woman's attractiveness, the last thing I look at is her face. Of course, when talking to her, you're going to be looking at her face all the time, and you're going to be making out with her, but her body is what matters for sex. Face is maybe 10%. Essentially, she just needs to not have a fucked up face.

I have a hands and feet fetish, though, so I'm a bit different than the typical guy. A woman could be a 3/10 with a horse face, and if she's got nice hands and feet, I'd rate her highly and still want her. Hands and feet is around 50% attraction, with body 40%, and face 10%.

>>81751774
Thank you for your sensible take anon. I agree that women are hypergamous, but it's a gradient depending on the woman, it's not so hopeless as you imply . Black pilling leads to suicide and reality is tough but not that hopeless.

You have to realize that women are also flawed beings

>>81749481
You do have an athlete's body, right anon?

>Just rent a wife
Bro...

>>81748607 (OP)
coping delusional redpiller
look up betabux
you cannot create raw primal attraction in woman with money, only chad genes can do that

>>81749036
lmao its the other way around, betabux's wife cheats with chad
money doesnt bring orgasms, big ass chad dicks from tall attractive men do

>>81753604
>you cannot create raw primal attraction in woman with money, only chad genes can do that
You are correct. However, the rich man can still marry stacy and afford to reproduce with her 12 times.
>>81753614
>lmao its the other way around, betabux's wife cheats with chad
My idea is that it goes both ways. The only man who's unlikely to have a woman cheat on him is rich chad. You also have to remember that everyone's psychology is a bit different. Rich chad could theoretically marry a 4/10 becky from a poor family and have her cheat on him with an average-looking guy because she's retarded.

>>81753614
nah money makes me orgasm lol im attracted to power

>>81753614
>>81753974
There's a reason why the man in 50 shades of grey is a billionaire. If he were poor, it would be an episode of CSI.

>>81749222
Have you seen what a normal man "body builder" looked like in the 1950s? Sean pictures of Sean Connery when he was said to have been a young guy into body building? He would have been laughed at with that physique today.

>>81749222
Muscles repel women, new meta is twinkmaxxing

>>81753974
>nah money makes me orgasm lol im attracted to power
everything is about sex, except sex, which about power

>>81753992
It would actually be an episode of Maury lol

>>81748607 (OP)
tldr, anyone can get free pussy as long as they have good rizz