I've been trying to get assessed for ADHD since I failed university but my doctor keeps saying I only have depression and give me Wellbutrin, Wellbutrin doesn't do anything for my issues, there's maybe like a 5% increase in my productivity which is better than nothing I guess. If I got diagnosed with ADHD as a kid I'd probably not have become an underachieving university drop out. I also think the doctor thinks I am drug seeking too since I asked about Adderall, but I'm just worried about failing university. And I know I have ADHD because I've taken Adderall from a friend and it completely cured me, it was insane how productive I got, so maybe I am in a sense drug seeking but I'm doing it because I have an actual medical issue and want to be productive, not to get high.

What pisses me off the most is that everyone online is like "you might have ADHD go see a doctor", so here I am seeing a doctor and no one believes me, instead they say everything is depression when I don't even feel depressed or suicidal or anything, my only issue is with focusing not depression.

It seems to me that if have problems with focusing and you aren't a literal child you can never be taken seriously, it's pissing me off so much that the doctor could simply write Adderall on a notepad and completely solve my issues but instead I have to go through all this ineffective bullshit.

Doctors won't believe you anymore because of that tiktok wave of retarded women self-diagnosing themselves as adhd. It's created a shortage in the medication too so they've been really reluctant to diagnose anyone. Was what I was told when I finally built up the courage to get myself checked last year after considering it since I was in high school (which was 10 years ago).

>>81756906 (OP)
>I have ADHD
Lmao. Shut up retard. Get a real assessment

>>81756906 (OP)
You're acting like Adderall is some god tier drug. (It is, but Vyvanse is better.) They don't give out like candy because it can make some people very psychotic/manic.

What makes you think you even have ADHD? You could just be stupid OP and that's ok. No offence.

Also I say that because you won't take control of your life. Go buy btc and convert it to monero on an exchange then find a marketplace on tor. The adderall on there are all meth presses, but the other stims might not be. Your doctor ain't doing shit for you move on.

>>81757012
If I become a meth head I'm sure all my problems will get way worse. I dont think im stupid I just procrastinate way too much, some days I don't even get 10 min of work done.

>>81756906 (OP)
ADHD is made up. Adderall made you focused because it is an amphetamine.

Good thread. I too wish I could take adhd medication but doctors keep saying its "depression"

>>81756906 (OP)
See a different doctor

>>81756906 (OP)
Sadly many doctors are retarded. You can try asking for methylphenidate or modafinil, it probably won't be as intense as adderall because they are not releasers but they might be enough to help you with school

lucky mf, i would totally take some welbutrin over the nothing except kratom i have now

>>81757012
> You could just be stupid OP and that's ok. No offence.
If what OP says is true, then I doubt it. Stimulants don't cure stupidity

>>81756906 (OP)
Take L-tyrosine, an amino acid that converts to L-dopa, which converts to dopamine. Otherwise, maybe before the exam, take Mucuna Pruriens, which contains L-dopa. You can buy both on Amazon.

Aderall is really bad... it's like meth.

>>81756906 (OP)
>I'd probably not have become an underachieving university drop out
I probably have life time undiagnosed adhd (close to pushing 40 right now)
I never finished HS as a result, never even made it to uni
now I am going back fix all this shit up since I'm unhireable
this is my fear, need to put in my referral to get a diagnosis before I start more education if it will be harder and more challenging than this bullshit im doing right now, so, stims would come in handy then when I might actually have to try more, maybe

>instead I have to go through all this ineffective bullshit.
change docs, go to a private doc
these are your only options

>>81757012
>Adderall is some god tier drug. (It is, but Vyvanse is better.)
good to know since htey dont prescribe addy in my eu country

>>81756906 (OP)
I wish there was some magic pill that would make all my problems go away too, but they dont exist. If you actually want to improve your life, do cognative behavioral therapy. Most ADHDtards/Depressiontards are too lazy to do that though because that requires actually putting in an effort and changing your behavior.

Kids are overdiagnosed with ADHD, and depression meds just numb you to emotions, they dont actually fix the problem which is your behavior. All pathologizing does is shift blame and trap you in escapism.

>>81758834
I always see people saying this, but they never tell you what you actually have to do, they just call you lazy and blame you for your problems. Let me guess, meme diet/sleep/excercise? lol

>>81758916
It may not apply to you, but I've come across plenty of people in my life who constantly made dumb decisions and then played victim. Dropping out of highschool, buying a brand new car, cheating on your girlfriend of 6 years, playing video games and smoking weed non-stop.

If you are not one of these people dont worry about it, but my experience shows people arent very self aware sadly.

>>81756906 (OP)
>my doctor keeps saying I only have depression
My condolences. Took mine two years to mention that he had other suspicions too that after some tests into "extremely sure you have this".

>>81758834
>just change your way of thinking LMAO
as a soon to be 40 yo man, I am forced to mental strenght myself out of every retarded life situation and thought pattern so far
yet some how I feel there is this friction that is way harder than it should be to get over and get stuff done
is there a possibility I am just retarded? could be
kinda strange how adhd research shows that executive function actually gets weaker and worse with age on adhd patients too some how, which means you need meds even more as you age
what the fuck did they mean by that then?
idk, like I said I have barely looked into shit enough to form anything beyond my own personal subjective opinion mostly

>>81758916
he's saying just hard will it harder, lmao

>>81758963
should have told that nigga that adhd has depression and anxiety as a comorbidity LMAO
goofy aah doctor

>>81758998
>goofy aah doctor
Dunno if he suspected ADHD but he was spot on with aspergers which then often coincides with ADHD. Just took a while to change the focus away from depression. Rare appointments did not help.

>>81758953
I'm the kind who's pretty much unable to socialize because I feel like shit all the time, so i guess I don't fit your description. I don't really know what to do. I've done therapy but it was basically listening to a dude telling my it was my fault I wasn't getting better and charging me $40 for it. And I really feel like no matter what anyone says or what I do it won't change how I feel anyway. I really think I'm just fucked in the head sadly

if you live in north america im sure theres some telehealth service where you can just answer a survey and youll get a prescription

getting a prescription isn't easy. you have to study and anticipate the questions you'll get and prepare the right answers. it takes some work. I suggest starting over with a new doctor.

>>81758998
>just change your way of thinking LMAO
Read a bit about CBT, it comes from systems theory in computer science. The idea is that people are stuck in cyclical patterns of thought/behavior because they are obsessing over the details of their actions instead of focusing on the real problem, the actions themselves. Therapists look at your problems from the surface and gaslight you into changing your behavior, instead of ruminating and perpetuating a cycle of negative feedback loops. It works

I have my own mental disorder (OCD), but Im high functioning and my life is great because I channel the problems I have into healthy coping mechanisms, which is something many people dont do.

>>81756906 (OP)
mental healthcare seems hellbent on giving buckets of drugs to people who don't need it and denying mild doses of much needed medication to people who actually do

I guess there's less money in actually fulfilling their hippocratic oath and helping people

>>81759072
I once read that the great paradox of depression is that it's both over-diagnosed and undertreated

>>81759023
If you are young and lonely, focus on school. You will thank yourself when you are making stacks in your late 20s while all your peers will be falling behind. You will have more time to meet people, and girls will be more interested in you.

If you are already in your late 20s and have some spare time join some clubs and meet people. You always hear people say that its impossible to meet people as an adult. Thats a lie. They say that because most people fucked around and found out and now they are working paycheck to paycheck with 3 hours of free time every day, or they have kids and family to take care of.

If you live with mom and dad and your a NEET you have more freedom to meet people than anybody else.

>>81759126
I'm late 20s but have plenty of free time. I don't socialize because I don't really enjoy it. I barely enjoy anything

>>81759059
ok, you might be right about the cock ball torture
I still want more stims though

>>81759170
Maybe you do have a seratonine deficiency or something if you dont enjoy anything. I know what depression feels like, I was diagnosed with cicumstantial depression after a bad breakup. I just wanted to sleep 24/7, didnt want to eat, couldnt watch movies or even do my hobbies without thinking 'whats the point'.

If thats you then you may be depressed-depressed, not the bullshit kind and you should talk to somebody about it. I used to be lonely as well, but what motivated me to meet people is after a certain point the anxiety of being alone became worse than the anxiety of meeting people.

Was prescribed Ritalin and Adderall since kindergarten. Made me do ok in school which didn't really matter since american public school is a joke anyway. Problem was it made me a locked in, monotone robot by the time I got to high school. When I didn't take it, I was funny and definitely could have jestermaxxed my way into some pussy.

5 year old boys aren't meant to sit still. Just another weapon to make men docile, which goes for modern education in general...

>>81759207
Yes, I'm pretty confident my depression is biological/genetic or whatever you wanna call it. The problem is doctors nowadays only use ssris which aren't very good for serious depression. I've had partial success with an old school tca, the next logical step would be a maoi but every doctor is afraid of using them because of dietary restrictions so I'm stuck in this shitty situation where I don't feel bad enough to kms but don't really feel alive either

Doctors have good ways of screening for ADHD. If you're not convinced your doctor is giving professional due diligence, then seek an evaluation from a clinic that specializes in ADHD.

A story of not doing well at school is not enough of a diagnostic criteria. Modern clinics have several evaluation tools beyond questionnaires including attention based tests.

Even if you have some characteristics, you could still be subclinical meaning stimulant medication won't be effective for you. I'm serious by the way; Adderall for normies is basically a placebo.

I'm the meantime, are you exercising regularly? Regular vigorous activity has been shown to give ADHD people GREATER MENTAL BENEFITS than those without, because an ADHD person is so below "baseline", you are making up greater distance.

ADHD is real and surprisingly prevalent, but it is possible that your doctor is justifiably resistant to such a diagnosis, and you need to be mentally prepared for this. You sound fixated on the diagnosis NEEDING to happen which is not a good mindset to be in.

>>81759416
Then what else is it if not ADHD? Its not depression, and my blood work was fine, at least give some alternatives. Sometimes I think I need a dopamine detox or something, go Ted mode until I'm cured, but that sounds really hard and I doubt it will work.

>>81759873
Nta but honestly even if you don't have adhd, I don't know why society should be against giving you a medication that helps you be more productive. I don't have adhd but take a stimulant because I can't stay awake without it, I definitely wouldn't be able to work/study if I wasn't taking it. I don't see difference between my case and yours

>>81759416
>I'm serious by the way; Adderall for normies is basically a placebo.
man, i don't know if i'm a normie or not but boy, when i got my hands on adderall or vyvanse for paper-writing and finals and such in college, it was simply brilliant. i was a machine, i felt like a deity. i could certainly get addicted to the feeling, so i didn't pursue any more after college.

don't figure i have undiagnosed ADHD or anything, i can focus plenty no worries. but i think dextroamphetamine is gonna fukken wire a normie, man.

>>81760384
The way you describe your experience on stimulants is indicative of someone who likely does not have ADHD. You describe it as a euphoric feeling, which indicates bringing you above baseline.

However, when you're at baseline and you go above it, it really doesn't improve your ability to focus a material amount. In fact in most normies, it makes it worse. Even if it FEELS like you're more productive, odds are you most likely are not, or are marginal at best.

>>81759873
There's hundreds of things it could be. Human beings are really complicated.

Not everything has to be pathological either. You could just have terrible habits and environment for school.

>>81756906 (OP)
I feel bad for you anon. I have ADHD and autism and when I take vyvanse my sociability skyrockets so it kind of cures my autism as well as improves my IQ and focus. I also lose ADHD induced fatigue, before meds I was always feeling extremely tired, thought I had chronic depression which I kind of did because if you feel tired all the time you will also feel depressed all the time, but on meds the fatigue is completely gone. Honestly since I've been medicated I have finally started to be happy I was alive because before that I was thinking about killing myself all the time. If I was medicated as a kid I probably wouldn't have ended up here or became incel and also wouldn't have struggled so bad at school and could have actually used my high IQ for something

>>81761436
Since I found out about ADHD and got medicated I've also been working towards fixing my life, it doesn't really help with studying but I no longer feel extremely tired and it boosts my brain a bit, I also did an IQ test with the diagnosis and I got a pretty high percentile >99.9 which really surprised me I always thought I was a huge fucking retard because I did terrible at school and couldn't do basic math. You could have also a lot of hidden potential that you don't know about.
I'm working towards quitting the NEET life now, I'm studying for my country's medschool entrance exams now and I actually enjoy talking to people now. I'm learning everything I couldn't in school by myself and am having a blast because of how easy it all feels now. Like I went from not knowing division to solving integrals in a month
I insist you get medicated because this shit literally saved my life I would probably be roping soon if it wasn't for them. My life would be 100 times better if I was taking vyvanse growing up

>>81756906 (OP)
https://youtu.be/EULynGtVskU?si=5BWKXrXoTB76uJR5

Listen to Livia soprano.

>>81759023
i was like you and meds fixed this. its probably adhd + autism fault

>>81756906 (OP)
I understand you, anon. I was admitted to a psychiatric ward for 31 days. The doctors said I had "depression", but I didn't feel any sadness.
Also, I took bupropion for 1 week (150mg) and had 3 seizures.

>>81759416
>I'm serious by the way; Adderall for normies is basically a placebo.
This sounds like bullshit to me. It's a stimulant, it boosts serotonin and dopamine in your brain anyone should immediately notice it affecting you.
>>81757516
>>81757012
As someone with ADHD I kinda wanna try crystal meth I'm already taking the higher doses of ritalin and vyvanse

Doctirs are relunctant to prescribe them because of the abuse potential (thank you drug addicts for ruining another thing, yes I'm also talking about /r9k/ and "stimfapping") and the fact that they're not really well educated in the subject matter. To them, everything is depression, anxiety, bipolar, or trauma. You should have not said a specific drug because it does come off as drug seeking. Never, ever name off specific meds.

I've only been prescribed it for a year now. Prior to that, I was on the med-go-round and a medication cocktail. I was also going to therapy with it not working. It wasn't until I went off at my therapist recommending a book on trauma which then I screamed at him about not being able to read and comprehend because my mind goes so fast reading 6 paragraphs a minute and I'm unable to concentrate. He also noticed my fidgeting a lot, so I took a full blown neuropsych eval. It came back with a yes on ADHD. Psychiatrist tapered me off the antipsychotics and put me on Adderall (later Adderal XR) and I'm finally able to concentrate.

>>81761735
Ironically drug seeking should be part of the ADHD diagnosis. It's completely natural to seek medication desperately if you lived with this condition your whole life plus people with ADHD struggle with addiction more.
Also do people abuse amphetamines to get high? Why? How??? Makes no sense to me desu
>I was on the med-go-round and a medication cocktail
First psychiatrist I went to diagnosed me with ADHD and told me he suspected I had autism. Did a neuropsych eval and confirmed both diagnosis. It's funny that I got better medical care than most people in this thread since I'm a turd worlder lol, my psych was spot on first consult.

>>81761734
>sounds like bullshit to me
That's because it is. For us with ADHD, we have poor executive functioning which stimulants help correct paradoxially. For normies, it'll act as...well...a stimulant like coffee or nicotine. There's a reason why many of with ADHD heavily abuse them: it made us feel a little bit normal. Oddly enough, Adderall XR (along with coffee) makes me feel tired which is further proof I have ADHD. When mine wears off, I get wired.

>>81761807
It helps with executive functions that involve with multi tasking at least for me, like cleaning my house, doing the dishes etc but when I have to sit down and study it feels very hard, like there's a barrier that won't let me, fuck right now I should be studying but I've been on 4chan for a hour. It helps me with focus and makes my thoughts clearer and concise but my "voice in my head" doesn't go silent as I've seen others describe.
Idk I'm kinda scared I have been misdiagnosed my fidgeting becomes worse when I'm on amphetamines and I have all of the classic ADHD symptoms but I see people describing their meds doing very different things

>>81761806
I don't think so with stimulants. The addiction issues is exactly that: an issue. The problem is that addicts abuse thrm, not use them. There is a difference. So, they'll be extremely less likely to be prescribe stimulants even if it is their diagnosis.

Also, people automatically seek meds. When I started mine, I also did what Dr. Barkley does on his YT channel: work on skills. Thst's why I'm on such a low dose even after a year. I don't build up that tolerance since I don't take it when I don't need it. The skills I learned in therapy works well. The week I had iff between summer sessions at college was bad, but doable with the skills. Addicts will take it regardless and forgo the therapy.

Yep, they can and do get high off of it. I had a cousin who did that 5 yesrs ago, (eventually graduated to meth) though she was on it for narcolepsy. It pretty much ruined her life. Hence more reason why doctors should be hesitant. I understand OPs frustration, but it is what it is. For me, going to therapy and psychiatrist for 6 years getting a wrong diagnosis while being on major antipsychotics which I got nothing from got me ticked off.

Yrah, that's a problem here in the states. Here everyone seeks it as a miracle drug thst will fix all. It doesn't, and the research shows that those without ADHD tend to do worse on tasks when on it, like with college students abusing them to study. Many will seek a diagnosis to get them. It's lead to a shortage here, and I have to wait a week or so before I can get my refill. Doctors here are severely misinformed and under educated about it like I mentioned in my post.

>>81761956
It helps me focus on one task instead of bouncing from task to task without completing one. It led me to being overwhelmed andcI just didn't finish a single thing.

Ir's possible you've been misdiagnosed, or you dose is too low. The making your thoughts clearer is a sign. Many ADHD symptoms imitate other disorders.

>>81762000
>It helps me focus on one task instead of bouncing from task to task without completing one
Kind of similar it's like the drug makes my hyperfocus's more effective but I can't really control what I can and can't hyperfocus on.
>It led me to being overwhelmed andcI just didn't finish a single thing.
Oh yeah I felt this 100% my first week on vyvanse I spent like 2 hours writing a thread here, like they weren't crazy ramblings, they had a concise and logic pattern in my head but I couldn't fully type my ideas and ended up giving up.
> or you dose is too low.
Nah I'm on the highest dose
>The making your thoughts clearer is a sign
But what is it a sign of?

>>81762058
Actually now if I had to describe it, it's as you said I can focus on one task better without jumping to different tasks, now that you mentioned I noticed today, for example, since I got on my PC and entered 4chan I haven't changed the site's tab, before I would always multitask, go on Youtube, play a game, listen to music, like always doing a billion things at the same time but I've been only doing 4chan for a hour now, and I can see this happens with other stuff.
My biggest issue with the med is that it doesn't help with studying at all I still feel the same barrier I used to have before although everything else improved.
Can relate on the feeling overwhelmed part a lot too

>>81756906 (OP)
You are 100% a woman. Only women think like this, how about you stop blaming your problems on lack of drugs and just put the work in you lazy cunt. God I'm so fucking sick of women self-diagnosing themselves because it's trendy and blaming all their wrongdoings on the lack of a proper diagnoses. The doctor knows better than you, you're not mentally ill, just fucking stupid. Small difference I know.

>>81762058
>>81762096
The ability to hyperfocus on them is another sign you have it. I always say I get laser-focused. If the task is interesting, we csn be laser focused on it without the meds. The best way ny therapist stated it is thst we're like adrenaline junkies: we seek dopamine and stuff that interests us spikes the dopaminr. This causes us to hyperfocus on tasks since it is rewarding. Your symptoms while still on Vyvanse may just mean that it may not be the best medication for you. As my psychiatrist would say: different medications work for different people. My psychiatrist said I was lucky mine worked first try.

Do you go to any therapy to help get over that studying wall? This is thr skills thing I mentioned. There are times when I still forget things despite being on it. One of the techniques in therapy I learned was setting up cues. For example, I still forget my keys. I have a cue on my door that is just a post-it note with the word "Keys?" written on it. The moment I see it, I tend to automaticslly check to see if I have them (I have them on a lanyard around my neck, another cue: the annoying dangling, so no silencers.) It's stuff like this thst makes it more managable. You may need some help with skills to help you get over thst hurdle. Medications don't solve everything :)

Anyways,I need to go to bed since I got an early class. Thank you for talking with me tonight. I hope things work out fir you and everyone else ITT.

>>81762221
>is thst we're like adrenaline junkies
HOOOOLY SHIT that makes so much sense! I did emergency medicine rotations while in university and I felt so fucking zoned out during the whole day at the ED. Like the whole day my heart beating like crazy, was full of adrenaline and I somehow felt relaxed through the whole thing, my head was working clearly and it felt very good to be overwhelmed by stress lol. Like I don't know how to explain it just felt very good being on a high stakes situation

>>81758998
>>81759023
>>81759126
>>81761436
>>81762221
Could you help me with something, since you have more experience with ADHD than I do?
I do not know if I have it - I complain about the same things that many people with the condition do: tiredness, lack of focus, not being able to get things done. Since high school, I have failed subjects simply because I did not put in any effort, and I still do this in college. If I can not solve a problem instantly, or if I have to make an effort to understand something, I just give up. I am a man with a very big ego - I feel superior to many people I interact with, and all of them have some level of success, while I live in mediocrity. I assume these differences are only the result of my lack of effort - those other people make an effort while I do not.
I have been using AI to try to understand my situation better, describing my symptoms, showing the results of some old blood tests. Apparently, I have low testosterone - I think it is around 300 - low vitamin B12, low vitamin D, and other things, since my diet is far from even being considered bad - it is worse. I have been taking Ritalin for a while now, since I do not put effort into anything, even with my life falling apart around me: my internship is ending and I am not even worrying about finding another one, college assignments are due soon and I keep leaving everything until the last minute. I have not seen any increase in productivity with Ritalin - just a nice feeling, I feel more sociable and have more problems with daydreaming, which is very common for me, I have done it since I was a kid.
Can you draw any conclusions from this account? Any advice - anything at all - would be appreciated. It is very hard to watch people around me move forward in life while I stay stuck in the same place simply because I do not make an effort.

>>81762707
Nta but it sounds like you do. Maybe >>81762221 is right about:
>different medications work for different people