Why are Men in their early 20s usually depressed and miserable? Even the Chads? Anyone else notice this phenomenon?

>>81756922 (OP)

Nothing in our current society fosters masculinity and male health. Even the water is making us gay.

>>81756922 (OP)
>>81756987
No you dumb fucking tranny it's because that's when you realize you need income and capital to fulfill your desires and you have neither at 20.

>>81757006
>desires
What does the average guy yearn for that they need large amounts of capital to acquire?

>>81756922 (OP)
the chads i see seem pretty happy

Probably because all the jobs that are attainable are shit and underpaid.

>>81757453
>It's my heart's desire to be a wagie
Cringe

>>81756922 (OP)
What's really funny is it just keeps getting worse

>>81757062
>What does the average guy yearn for that they need large amounts of capital to acquire?
changing da world my dude

im serious

>>81756922 (OP)
>in their early 20s
Kek, just wait.

When you notice your shackles, you realize what it would take to release them is to discard everything you have ever been comfortable with, everything you have ever tolerated, and everything your forebearers have ever accepted on your behalf.

You are sent to die to prove your love to a woman who does not exist yet. The blood ritual is incomplete. That's what it always appears to take to end slavery.

>>81757006
I hate you people.
I commented to my gay brother about how I'm sad at the way that society, media portrays boys, men, masculinity in an evil light, that I resent being guilty until proven innocent. How I wish people just treated men better.
His fucking answer: "Maybe you're sad because of capitalism"

I hate socialists so much

It's just a particularly shit time of your life. It gets easier once you're older.

past a certain point, human language can't be utilized to describe the bleakness of life

>>81756922 (OP)
>Why are Men in their early 20s usually depressed and miserable? Even the Chads?
no money, no girlfriend, and no job, or shitty job that pays like shit. im in my late 20s, still feeling depressed but more so tired from wagecucking than depressed. i think im kinda loaded for my age and location, but i feel a constant pressure to side hustle, start a company, and find a gf. i have so much to do, yet there's so little time. at times i feel so tired that i want to give up and end my life. but i have to keep going because maybe, just maybe, some day i'll hit it big, find a gf, start a family, and eventually be happy. or overdose on drugs in an empty rundown apartment.

>>81758435
it is capitalism lmao. literally every problem with masculinity in the west stems from capitalism.

>>81756922 (OP)
Because that tends to be the age where you realize that nobody wants you and would rather you didn't exist

>Your family don't want you anymore because they are tired of caring for you
>Employers don't want you because you have no experience
>Women don't want you because you have no material foothold
>Media portrays you as the source of all society's problems
>Public / hobby / social spaces don't want you because you're seen as a nuisance at best or a danger at worst
>Other men don't want to be around you because you are competition for all the scarce resources listed above

A young man between high-school and his mid 20s is more or less the very lowest caste in western societies. Those that have nothing and deserve nothing. Unfit to even be cattle.
Once you carve out at least a meagre stable income you get to move one step higher above the other young men and have society pay lip service to you as a source of money.

>>81758680
I mean, what's stopping young men from just working at a warehouse and then continuing the hobbies they had in High School over the weekends? Like playing basketball at some rec center or something. I know a few black guys living like that. Pretty comfy.

>>81758862
What are you even talking about? You think that would be a satisfying way to live? Have you ever worked in a warehouse for more than a couple of weeks? Accepting that as the culmination of your life with just some fucking hobby as distraction two days out of seven -- like you'd even have the energy, none of the workers I met gave a shit about anything but drinking after a few years -- would be a fasttrack to suicide. That some actual retard nigger lives like that does nothing to justify it.

The real issue is that there is nothing meaningful left to do in life and we have no future to look forward to. It doesn't really hit most women because playing vapid social games (literally gossiping, HR shit and so on) is fulfilling to them. This will likely not be fixed, either.

>>81756922 (OP)
Because that's when reality sets in. Men desire greatness. They want to be a famous artist, or a breakthrough scientist, or a politician that changes the world. Then you get out of college or get your first job and you're met with the cold reality that almost nobody finds that level of success. You can either wallow in depression and rob yourself of all happiness or you can cope and try to find happiness in a mediocre life.

>>81758680
>Childhood: "You're great just the way you are. Be a good person and everything will turn out fine."

>Adulthood: "Fuck everything we've been telling you for the last 18 years, it was a lie. You're worthless fucking garbage until you prove yourself in this cutthroat capitalist hellscape. No one will love nor respect you without a home, a car, and ample savings. You are nothing but a walking display of how much you've earned and you're in a competition with literally every man you see. I'd wish you luck but you're my competitor now, I hope you fucking fail, cocksucker."

>>81758623
As opposed to what, communism?
Do you think Soviet males had no problem with masculinity? Or what are you actually saying?

>>81756922 (OP)
I know a guy that's pretty handsome, been going to the gym almost every day for the last 5 years so has a crazy build, and even he is struggling to get pussy.

I think the only way to get pussy is to conform to a group and stick with it, like those faggots that attend *le most relevant thing* protests.

There are systems to make, especially white men, neurotic. Most people will think they have depression, but its actually more like burnout due to increased stress due to useless mental activity.

>>81759111
Uuuuhhhhh akshually, de problems is not the system we live in, because I said so. Problem is the system only some faggots in Yurop lived in

>>81759111
I think he means the system that has raised rent 1600% in the last 50 years while using marketing to convince us all we need the fastest, most expensive car to be lovable. As well as shiny rocks mined out of the ground like this is 8000 BC.

>Where's my shiny rock that was mined by a slave and then marked up 10000%? What? I can't love you then.

>>81759109
Do you think the world was less cutthroat in the Soviet Union?

>>81759123
I don't want occasional pussy from a chad widow. Pussy doesn't matter when what's attached to it is an unreliable tool for your enemies.

>>81759028
>Have you ever worked in a warehouse for more than a couple of weeks?
Couple of years, yeah. Keep up with my gym routine too. One coworker of mine plays amateur soccer with his buddies and they have teams and shit or sometimes just kick shit around at the park. I don't do the sports stuff personally but sounds cool to have a hobby like that and perfecting your shots and dribbling. Personally I just vidya all weekend. Point is I don't see how your hobbies magically become unfulfilling once you get past High School.

>>81759243
Well when you say the problem is Capitalism I am reminded of the conflict which dominated the second half of the 20th century. It was called the cold war and pitted the Capitalist USA against the Communist USSR, a competition which crossed the domains of military, economics, Culture, even Olympic competition and the space race. It seems like the Soviet Union lost the cold war and started dissolving in the 1990s. So when you say the problem is not local government or incompetence but things like financing a company through stocks as opposed to debt (I give you 1 million dollars for 10% of the company Vs I give you 1 million dollars for 10% interest per annum) as an example of the Capital in Capitalism. And I would naturally assume that you are talking about the system which last challenged Capitalism but collapsed in the process. So what do you mean when you say the problem is the system we live in, and it's not the rules that are evil or the people running it are evil but "Capitalism" is the problem?

>>81759264
I couldn't care less what happened to people in a failed state in a slav shithole. I'm not talking about that. There's more solutions to our nightmare world than bad ideas Vladimir Lenin had 100 years ago.

>>81759396
So then when you were talking about a cutthroat capitalist hellscape what were you comparing it to? That statement is meaningless in a vacuum

>>81757006
>20 year old
>having desires that cost money
Peak retardation. Go back to isnotreal.

>>81758018
Why do NEETs act like everyone is allowed to be unemployed in their parent's home like they are?

>>81758018
Being a wagie had its rewards at one point. It wasn't always borderline slavery.

>>81756922 (OP)
Lacks of freedom fuck with young people mind. All the things that are made to make people life safer and better are actually very controlling and people get into adulthood without autonomy and confidence. It mess up de developpement. People haven't figured it out yet and I was wondering if I should do a paper about it but I'm lazy

>>81759531
automobiles and computers exist
e.g. i've been saving for a parts car for the last few months and i'm nearing the price