You ever wonder why people never talk about the basic fact they exist? Why isnt everyone going around asking
>Where am I? What is this? How is this?
The fact everyone just goes along with this never questioning it is deeply concerning, huh

>God invented everything, what's there to question
>little single-cell thingies kept mutating and the ones with the right mutations for their current environment survived, what's there to question

If you don't fall into these midwit schools of thought, which one do you subscribe to?

>>81761308
To me those notions both miss the point im making here. There is anything at all whatsoever, this alone is cause for alarm, a serious concern.

What kind of answer would be satisfying to you? Not the exact answer, but what form would it take?

>>81761382
I honestly just want at least one major politician or some famous person to come out on stage and scream
>WHAT IS THIS? WHAT ARE WE? HOW DOES ANYTHING EXIST AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE??
And just see the fallout and confusion of a mass awakening

>>81761247 (OP)
Those are pointless questions
Those who can, do, those who can't pretend philosophy is still relevant

Yeah, I actually do. I ask myself "What the hell am I actually doing" every day. I haven't gotten a straight answer.

>>81761376
Nothingness cannot exist, there's always been something. If something came out of nothing, then that nothing was something all along.

>>81761247 (OP)
>You ever wonder why people never talk about the basic fact they exist? Why isnt everyone going around asking
So deep.

>>81761247 (OP)
The only reason why we sleep is to remind ourselves what it feels like to not exist or else we go crazy.

>>81761463
where the fuck did these notions of nothing or something come from then???
>>81761484
yeah actually it is

>>81761440
>Those who can, do
Why?

Sometimes I'll think about that Black Mirror episode where the incel collects DNA from his colleagues and uses it to recreate them in his dorky Star Trek simulation where he LARPs as captain. They eventually manage to have him arrested and get to spend eternity traveling the simulation universe in their spaceship. Or at least until the server they're hosted on runs has its power shut off.

I sometimes think we're stuck in a hellish universe like that, there's nothing outside of it. No Matrix like thing where you get unplugged and simply get to live in a non-simulation which is practically just another universe you're stuck in. It's maddening. There's no escape. The absolute best-case scenarios I can think of are either reincarnation, into the spiritual realm, or into a human or some alien species. Or an absolute void or nothingness after you die, but then where's the guarantee that eternal recurrence isn't real?

>>81761495
>where the fuck did these notions of nothing or something come from then???
From simple empirical observation. Also from logic, but logic also actually comes from empirical observation.
We can recognise when a specific object is there and when it's no longer there. We observe an apple, then it's gone. We see a cat, then it's gone, then we just generalise that to more and more objects, including air, energy, space, time...
Some questions might just be bugs in our linguistic practices. Basically what Wittgenstein said. I'm not 100% sure he was right, but I tend to think he was.

>>81761525
>From simple empirical observation.
what does that observation ability come from? where did it come from? you HAVE to see you are just begging more and more questions, you are answering nothing

>>81761556
You asked where the notions of something and nothing come from, not where something and nothing themselves come from.
We have the notion of absolute nothingness, because we can negate the notion of "everything", that ability to negate and existential quantifier just comes from the ability to negate the existence of apples. The further causal explanation for negating the existence of apples is our evolved brain.
Absolute nothingness is a bug in the way we use words imo, we use a negation where it's grammatically correct but where the concept doesn't refer to anything in the world.

>>81761608
That to me is complete nonsense, im sorry. Youre saying everything came to be because nothing csnt eist. Why cant nothing exist? Why / how is there a space / universe / reality for these concepts of nothing / something / anything to come about? How does a human definition (nothing, everything) effect reality? Why? I dont see the sense in your argument, im not trying to be rude but i really dont

>>81761641
I'm not the first anon, this >>81761525 was my first post. You asked about the notions, I gave a possible explanation why people think the way they do.

But I also think nothingness is just impossible. You could look into modal logic, my hypothesis is that the universe exists necessarily.
When you ask why is it that nothingness is impossible, we need to clarify which modality we mean. I guess you probably mean something like "logically" impossible, but the rules of logic allow you to negate whayever you want. Because of that it really is logically possible for the universe to not exist, but my view is that it's not physically possible. The universe is a brute necessity.

>>81761247 (OP)
because if you do women call you weird and wont spread their puspus because they dont want weird men to reproduce

>>81761247 (OP)
Simple; continuity. No one is going to keep asking questions about their life because they're in the middle of living it. Only those who sit silently even question it, which is why philosophy is on the decline.

>>81761716
it's ok because chad doesn't want to breed non-stacies either
so they'd rather die childless and drag their looksmatch to the childless unlovable incel freak cemetery too
dumb life-hating foids

>>81761403
the "mass awakening" would be commodified and any rebellion would turn into a fashion statement
watch the movie "network" from 1976

>>81761711
that still begs the question of why there is this "logical nessisity" in the first place nor explains why a world would adhere to any "logic" or how

>>81761403
>>WHAT IS THIS? WHAT ARE WE? HOW DOES ANYTHING EXIST AT ALL IN THE FIRST PLACE??
desu most people have existential thoughts before the age of 20. it becomes banal.

>>81762677
Well everyone i talked to in real life said they had no idea what i was talking about so i dont think thats true, people just dont fucking see it anon

>>81762695
Those people have never had their mind cracked open by psychedelics (or even high doses of weed can do it). I basically lived on autopilot, until one day when I was 16 years old I took enough THC that I suddenly had my first moment of "wait, what the fuck?" And I have literally never been the same since. This would also explain why normies are so.. normie. So seemingly blissfully unaware and stupid.

its kind of a dead end question

>>81763405
No, there's all kinds of wild speculation and theories that can be had if the other person actually understands. I'm just like OP, and some of the best conversations I've ever had in my life were with people who are questioning of reality (and possibly schizo).

>>81761247 (OP)
They do ask this, how do you know what they're thinking?

>>81761247 (OP)
It's best not to think about these things.

>>81763454
I dont think they do actually, why doesnt ANYONE ever seem to mention it? Not a single movie, book. game, where is it?

>>81763462
Its one of the most important things to ask

>>81763462
Why not? It becomes less scary the more you talk about it. I actually think it's beautiful.

>>81763492
You should learn about the occult, most movies, books and games are secretly about the occult in some way, but most people cant see the references and people think you're crazy for talking about it until you can show them that it's literally everywhere

>>81763700
ive read a lot into it and honestly, the occult stuff can let you see that in media, a bit, kinda, but its not nessicarily actually put there intentionally imo

The topic is honestly stale af tbdesu. The ancient Greeks exhausted the topic. Romans got bored and did it again. Then the dark ages happened and somehow Christian hermits dragged mankind into the enlightenment kicking and screaming. Oh so original French and German thinkers then did what the Romans and Greeks did before.
I'm sitting here now and think how fortunate one must be to let such thoughts shake them. My mind is preoccupied with the preservation and archival of knowledge in such a way it may later be freely disseminated, food sustainability, social harmony, and energy. All this while my own access to resources is rather poor. The solution will have to be one of disproportionate impact. I feel fear, but it is towards a shadowy indiscernible disaster. And my fears don't align well with others. Cow fart bad, summer is hot, it snowed last winter. !!!Alarm!!! This is small beans compared to the loss of soil fecundity. The extinction of entire species of bacteria, and collapse of mycelial networks older than humankind. The Christian tradition states that man was made in the image of God. And for many people that's all they can think about, Imago Dei.
I do not intend to flirt with blasphemy, but something is being overlooked here. Created in God's image, yes. But from what?
>In the sweate of thy face shalt thou eate bread, till thou returne vnto the ground: for out of it wast thou taken, for dust thou art, and vnto dust shalt thou returne.
I'm talking about the soil! Everything relies upon this. Our foundations are laid upon dirt. Or provision, from dirt. And even our language and expressions are broadly disrespectful towards that key ingredient to life. Petroleum based synthetic fertilizers, biocidal agents like herbicide and pesticide or just for shits and giggles food dyes and preservatives(another way of saying hostile towards life). All but inseparable from our food supply. Call me crazy but I don't think consuming *poisons* across generations is viable.

>>81763761
Ah then you don't know nearly enough about it, it is done intentionally 100%. All of the best games of all time have occult references and so do most games consoles.

>>81763790
Directly before God says the verse you quoted, He says, "Cursed is the ground because of you." So, everything relies upon this thing God cursed?

>>81763845
For the benefit of readers I will put the verse you refer to here
>And vnto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened vnto the voyce of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commaunded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eate of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake: in sorow shalt thou eate of it all the dayes of thy life.
>Thornes also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee: and thou shalt eate the herbe of the field.
My understanding is that woman, having caused the fall of man, results in man being cursed. It is not the earth's fault that Eve was tempted by the serpent's sweet words, nor the earth's fault that Adam foolishly gave consideration to the words of a woman. Earth is simply collateral damage here. But such is our curse. To act against it is further acts of rebellion against God. We will not become equals with God by raping Gaia. This earth has a limited lifespan and is doomed for absolute destruction. The Bible also has the parable of the good steward. The dirt we rely upon is cursed, or rather our existential dependence upon the soil is our curse. Actually thinking about it how did God curse the dirt? It grows brambles. I can think of worse things that could be done to it. Berries are delicious, even if a bit of a pokey risk when foraging.
I think the greater curse against soil is man's reliance upon it. Erosion, runoff and contaminated waterways and groundwater, pests, diseases, loss of productivity. These are all ills that man has inflicted upon soil as a result of being ousted from the garden.
It may be misguided, but I think going forward the best option is to practice good stewardship instead of bringing further damnation towards the dirt.

>>81761247 (OP)
literally all of my friends have always discussed this and more while we take drugs and hang out in the woods

>>81761247 (OP)
I think about it a lot

>>81763790
>The ancient Greeks exhausted the topic
never once is it mentioned in plato, aristotle, or epicurus, or any other greek i read. Stop lying anon
>Romans got bored and did it again.
no they did not, name one book, ONE
>Oh so original French and German thinkers then did what the Romans and Greeks did before
NAME ONE BOOK
The rest of your post is not relevent btw
>>81763833
K sure it is, uh huh, uh huh. Why not, you know, DIRECTLY FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT AT ALL WHATSOEVER?

>>81764144
>What is man? A miserable little pile of secrets
Tacitus - Symphonia noctis
Your move, big boy.

Most people should be slaves.

>>81761247 (OP)
Normies pick a pet model in teenagehood and roll with that as concretely indisputable fact

>>81761247 (OP)
I don't want to talk to other people about existence, at least not in person.
I'm very much an alien looking into the whole thing. Sometimes I appreciate how absurd the world is.

>>81764180
again, thats not relevent at all and makes no sense, what else can i say? Gibberish.

>>81764189
ok you first then, get in the chains. :)

>>81764411
Oh nooooo, please don't put me in chains and sell me off to a rich jewish woman

>>81761247 (OP)
Drop the psychedelics, faggot