Now, i am not saying theres no reason to not be sad or depressed.

But look around you, the amount of possibility and opportunity is exploding in this day and age, why not try?
Why should you get so hyper focused about pussy?

Man. You can learn basically any skill for free, something no man in an era before us could and not as easily too.
Why Care so much about some sex or relationships rather than striving to make something you can be proud of?

A hobby may give you much more than any pussy.
Not saying you should be a celibate, but, dont make pussy your life or be depressed about it.
It is and should always be a case apart that happens in your journey.

So i leave my question here for you anons.
Why arent you trying to make something and are so obsessed with pussy?

Fuentes is right. These people are all pathetic faggots. They deserve everything.

>>81764866
Sadly. I think that much can be truthfull
In so much opportunity and ways to be better

Man in this day and age can pratically ascend in both knowledge, physic and spirit. He can get woman in so many ways and easily if he had the same mind of a man of the old ages.

Yet... They are as weak as they can be...

Its a tragedy

>>81764854 (OP)
it's not about pussy well at least for most anyway it's someone to share the pain wit,h i myself included don't have anyone in our life to talk to and share are pain.

now why women you ask? idk it makes me feel good to talk to a woman maybe because i fancy them.

>>81764854 (OP)
>Why arent you trying to make something and are so obsessed with pussy?
I am and I am not.
>>81764882
>He can get woman in so many ways and easily if he had the same mind of a man of the old ages.
My dad groomed a teenager and left her once he got her pregnant. My grandfather murdered my grandmother in front of his children.
Sure, I could be an abusechad and get a wife and start a family but I don't want one so.

>>81764866
Fuentes is a literal faggot though. It's always hilarious to watch him project his faggotry.

>>81764854 (OP)
tfw no gf is a normal feeling and there's nothing wrong with it. Any healthy male is going to be sad if he can't find a mate.

>>81764901
>Directly uses an example of his father when i say old

No anon, your traumas are not the point, if you read what i wrote you can clearly see i mean and look upon the greatest of the old civilizations.

We have things much easier to get and information for free
Leonardo davinci did all he did with not even 1% of acess we had.

What if you tried to have the drive davinci had?

Alexander larped as achiles, cesar as alexander, Augustus as cesar and napoleon as the roman emperors.

Why not put your objective to have as much, know as much and do as much as davinci?

I leave my question and also, good luck on your journey in making something proud anon. You shall shape the space around you.

>>81764854 (OP)
I've fixed myself as much as i could by myself, the only way i see me getting better to a normal level is marrying and having a family so i can prove it to me i can be loved and that i'm not my dad

>>81764898
Well.
It does feel good to talk with woman, yes, but you cant really put your happines and dreams on something that is beyond you anon.

People are human, woman are human and they wont do what you expect or dream off most of the time, because they arent what you imagine.

Thus, why not make your happines something under your control? Perhaps achive and make something you know it is on your hands.

Woman and any relationship for that matter, cant be certain in expectation, that will only hurt you or others around you. Which will in the end, make you sadder.

So why not strive to do something you are proud off? Master something you always wanted.

>>81764923
Why you need to prove that anon?
What would mean "to be loved"?
Why you even need to feel loved?
Not saying it is wrong or you dont deserve it.
But why would you make such objectives in things that are fundamentaly outside of your control, you may THINK a woman may love you. But how you truly know? She may be using you or be indifferent, yet, you would consider she loves you because she married you?

Anon, woman as any other relationship, should never be seen as an objective or guaranteed, because humans themselfs are pretty chaotic.

Dont expect from others, not saying you should be clueless or naive. But try to look things as they are and to not make your objectives related to etheral things such as "love"

Those will come when you least expect It, it is not something to work for. It is something that happens.

So anon, why not go beyond "normal" and try to be "exceptional" on something? May be fun

>>81764934
I'm not talented in anything and I'm not interested in being proud of something i did again it's not wrong to talk to women if they are okay talking to you as well, also it doesn't have to be one side she can also tell me about her problems so we can help each other

>>81764908
>It is a normal feeling
It really is, not saying it is wrong. But one should understand to not have something as etheral as a "girlfriend" or shallow as "pussy" as a life objective.

They will be depressed because thats all their life is about ans thus, will feel like a failure.

One will actully gain a relationship when he makes his life more than having a relationship, thats when attraction may show up.
But you are right, humans are social creatures. So make sure to make friends in your hobbys too, the internet may offer ways to that too, anything is possible on this day and age when one is striving to be more

>>81764951
it's not like i'm only obssessing over women, i'm gonna try to chase a career on toxicology, but ultimately anon, when you grow up as i do, poor,near gang violence, less than ideal home life with a less than ideal male model, no friends,reliant on only me and my mom for my whole life you grow to crave acceptance and love desperately because we are social beings at core. To be loved to me would be able to trust someone with my vulnerabilities without having to worry they'd backstab me with it and to have that someone be willing to carry my kids, as i see it, i either suceed at this or i'll volunteer on the most fucked up warzones i can get myself into at 30 so i can go out atleast on a decent note, hopefully i'll find someone.

>>81764959
>Not talented

You will never know till you actully try it anon and neither you nees to be talented. You can just be passionate into it


>We can help each other
That is indeed normal and human are social creatures after all, but what i am writing is to not base your happines on something like that anon.
Because then, you arent really making anything with what you are.
You may call yourself un talented, but how would you know if you dont try or even belive yourself for that?
A woman may like you because she finds you interessing, if your goal of happines is to find a woman then... What is there to like in you too?
Striving to be exceptional dosent mean you will be, means you will never stagnate and that means you will live a life in a way, i belive, you would be proud off

>>81764854 (OP)
who rejected you anon

>>81764981
It really is a shame you lived such life anon
Life isnt fair by any means. But remember one thing
Through rock bottoms is where those rise too, but be mindfull, the lack of experience may leas you to be naive in certain exchanges and thus used.

So be watchfull, see and try to experience, go through groups of things you are passionate off. Maybe you can get nice people to know, perhaps friends you could count on
But never take it for granted as they are humans just like you, thus, as chaotic as you can be.

I hope you live a life that makes you proud

>>81764998
Thank you anon, i hope so too, i wish you the best.

>>81764997
No one
Infact, i rejected people.
But it really makes me sad to see friends of my to fall so deep into things as etheral and perhaps even shallow as a girlfriend.

I can see they could do so much more, potential is all around us, but i know most wont ever attain it.

That makes me sad, even knowing i cant expect things from others as humans, much like i, are all unpredicable in a certain level. It still makes me sad, knowing so many could be so much more

So i wish people could thrive to make something they are proud off

>>81764854 (OP)
>man anons
kek

>>81765002
Good luck for you too anon
Be blessed

>the amount of possibility and opportunity is exploding in this day and age, why not try?
ignoring that this is a bad-faith agit-prop post, definitely made by a male (not even a transsexual) age 20-70

consult this short video
then consult with your immediate manager. if u dont defend ur client, u wont get paid :)

>>81765041
>Made by a male
Yeah i am a male, didnt try to hide it any time.

>Consult this short video
Things are alot worse where i live and people still managed to get things running.
Heck i know one from deep within the worst criminal life you may think off, where citizens, not criminals, Citizens would kidnao elderly people so the govern would pay them as "his guardian" not even letting the senile leave the "home"
But? He and many others managed to leave such life and still make up for it. Possibility is ALWAYS there, always.
The fact you can enter 4chan and see my post means at bare minimun you have a device with internet connection. So, it is still there.

I think anywone can with those fundamentals at hand

Anyways, i gotta go sleep.
Remember anons, life isnt fair, but if you dont give yourself a chance, then nothing really will ever happend.

Good luck to all you
If the thread still up when i wake up, i will answer you guys again

>>81764854 (OP)
I'm already doing that (have an ok job with decent profession opportunities, good at a sport, ok at music), but there's no escaping from the biological desire to want a gf. Plus, having a gf can in theory improve your life significantly when you find the right one.

>>81764922
>directly ignores the example of gramps despite being old
My dad is old he's probably over 50 at this point and if my dad this and gramps did that I can only imagine what their dad and gramps did to their families.
>Leonardo davinci did all he did with not even 1% of acess we had.
I'm actually retarded but I'm pretty sure he didn't enjoy that and he was mostly forced to do it. If some powerful organization forced me to do something like paint all day I would probably be painting all day. Instead there is a powerful organization forcing me to work for a living and spend most of my waking hours working.
>What if you tried to have the drive davinci had?
I do not really have "drive". I find it difficult to do things for myself as I don't care about myself. When I "try" I simply fail. The only time I have drive is when someone is cheering me on or believes in me and that only happens in my head.
>Why not put your objective to have as much, know as much and do as much as davinci?
I see that as a futile exercise. I will never have a fraction of what he did. I will never know as much or do as much. Why should I spend my life competing with Leonardo Davinci? To begin with my objective is be content with life rather than hate it, not to be a godly painter or what have you.
There are things I care about and try to become more knowledgeable and proficient in. Like I said I try and I try and I try and I fail just as many times because I just don't care.

>>81765041
this looks like something youd see in china

You are retarded jobs and hobbies arent as good as pussy

>didnt sleep yet so here go

>>81765173


>Fail
Failure is infact the way to learn how to do things, davinci certanly didnt get his things on his First try, spent years doing that

>He certanly didnt like it
No, not really, the ones who banked him where because they belived his potential(together with others in the time) so he started such purpose and drive with that in mind, he wasnt forced to start it, he done that by himself.
>I have things i care about
I use davinci as an example for how he achived what he desires and the life he wanted to.
If you dont want to be like davinci, sure, dont. But there is things you want to make and creat, then you should infact go and do those things.
Failure? As mentioned before is infact the way to make any path, you need to take the grass and pad the dirt before it becomes a road anon.

Dont take things literally and understand what they mean, you see, one can only achive things with luck or persistence or in most cases, both.

It depends how determined you sre to get to your goal and how pragmatic you would make that road be.

I belive anywone and including you, can, anon. Even more if you dont fear failure, maybe now it dosent mean much.
But in the Future, if you dont give up, you will certanly have reached something

>>81764854 (OP)
I do try dumbass. But guess what you marry a girl she will hate you forever for it. Kiss blowjob bye bye. You try to date these barely fuckable single mothers and they are brainwashed by 1000 dudes blowing them out and leaving so they assume you will do the same and treat you like shit
You land the one in a million chick who is a 7/10 and actually has 2 brain cells to rub together and her retarded brother gets you kicked out for defending her from a literal meth head trying to break in and get her and her daughter. And the foid rolls with the insane abuSe, hypergMay and ditches a man she "loves and is committed to" for any reason or no reason at all. I mean look you were at work for a full 8 hours she was bored OK?

You get to this point where you don't care and nothing matters and you don't fall in love with the girls anymore... I do relish the pain
At least when a bitch is abusing me she's paying attention to me... Right??? Hahahaha

I love being lied to and ghosted and used like a human fucking dildo. I love being dehumanized like this.
Woman as succinctly explained in the Bible were meant to completely submit to men. Historically women were owned and not given positions of power not only to protect men from having their entire lives come apart because their "wife" had a jar too much wine that day - this also protected woman and children from their own insanity and stupidity . My best friend has a divorced family. His dad ran off and basically never gave a fuck. He had to live with his mom because of his blue collar laziness. Well guess what his mom did? Threw him out with no notice before Christmas. Giving women power is the same thing as suicide
The people running the clown show are criminally insane

Men just want normal girls who love them. Instead they get the dating app hellscape horrorshow that is Xth wave "feminism" (gynocratic supremacism) and either cope by becoming players or checking out of society all together

>>81765176
Not as bad as some places in india or brazil desu

Always be glad to not be in those places, it could always be worse

Pussy is everything. If we can't get it, then there is no point to anything.
Sure, we can amuse ourselves, but fuck 'being productive' for some other slave-driver cocksucker.

>>81765235
Its a tragedy you find yourself in such situation anon.

But, it is as they say. The only to save yourself is... Yourself.

I can merely show and say how much these things, when put as the center of your life, will do nothing but destroy it.

But if you still do it anyway, well, that is beyond me.

I do hope you achive a life that you are proud of anon. Thats all i can do for you besides what i aleardy wrote here.

>>81765257
You ask why women and sex and love is important... Humans are social creatures. It affects your health very badly to be unsuccessful socially this is well documented and studies. Men are wired to make families and love women and modernity has set everything up to sabotage that from propaganda to chemical exposure

>>81765254
Pussy isnt everything.
Nor is being productive, is about making your life more than just being woman's or pussy slave.

If you only care about pussy, why dont you sell yourself as a womans sex toy? Many been doing that out there.

No, this isnt life. You are here right now and are living, why not make it worthy and beyond some hot piece of flesh around your member?

If pussy was indeed everything, you would not even be writting in this post right now, nor writting would even exist. Because man would've done nothing but hunt pussy.

Not implying that having woman or sex is bad, but that isnt your life nor it is supposed to be your life. Your life is, in the end, decided by how you wish to live.

So many depressed and lost because they madd pussy their life's reason and thanks to that they got nothing, thus, they get no pussy.

It is sad when in a age with much more possibility and easy ways to achive things, people would fall in sadness about such small things.

No anon, i think any man with enough boldness to try and fail, can achive something to be proud off.
Not even if that means just a simple drawing, not money, not relationships but actully realizing something you would consider worthy it.

>>81765273
I dont deny that.
My argument is that, making it the CENTER of your life, Will always lead to your self destruction.

We are social creatures and should 100% work to have a good social life. But you should never make it your happiness, one day people might stop talking to you. Then what?

That isnt living anon. If you lost people to talk with, you should be able to find new people, interact with others and make things you find worth upon.

Sex is great, but it cant dictate your life
If not... You are a slave to It, thus, cant live your own life anymore...

>>81765306
You are ignoring the obvious and evident fact that it's the center of these dudes BECAUSE they can't get a decent wife or even gf
If the plague was killing seventy percent of people you saw it would be pretty normal for it to be relevant and topical, the center of many people's lives no? Men are suffering a plague of no intimacy. No love. No support. There are tons of dudes with six figure jobs, creatives that make content and music, great philosophers, celebrities you name it and tons of them have the same problems. The issue isn't achievement jobs or hobbies. Men have been the masters of these things forever
The problem is curing cancer won't make a bitch love you. And I don't know about your autistic ass but for everyone else it's important. It's like saying we don't need oxygen in the atmosphere because rich guys can afford gas masks. It's insane and inane. You are sitting in a building built and designed via generations of male work and innovation as you type this (probably) but somehow you think what men need to be happy is to MORE work. That's a dumb take and will never solve the Foid Problem or answer the Foid Question

>>81765380
I think you are overreacting things.

80% of man never reproduced, yet, they still made things work and made humanity walk on.

>Make a bitch love you

Why you even desire """love""" that much? What is even your concept of love for that matter, the word has been as diluted as it can.
Is it eros? Is it romantic? Is it the agape? Can you even name it anon? You even know WHY you want it so much besides your horny brain and feeling tingly because a woman is nicer to you?

Anon. Working as a slave inst the answer, but neither is being depressed because you didnt get emotionaly validated by random woman number 75286
Think about it anon, you even know what you want? Why man are suffering from loneliness in this day an age?! Well? Most of then dont even leave their home, if they did infact had a hobby, they could... I dunno, perhaps LEAVE AND INTERACT with people.

>But for everyone else it's important
No, it is not. Not in the slight bit, i met alot, countless, many man who didnt give a single fuck about woman and focused on having their life set and living peacefully.
Guess what? They got more woman the moment they started doing that.
Every. Single. Man. I ever met, not only discovered and did more of life the moment they stopped chasing pussy like a rat chasing cheese. But they also managed to LIVE.

Anon, you not only overrated it but directly DESTROYS your own life because you think thats all what is worth for.
It is not, will never be, if it was literally any work of any great civilization or religion would not shit on the eros and lust.

Philosophers? Any of them say woman are either a waste of time, not to be trusted, not to be chased, not to be put in a pedestal.

Religions? The bible has very directly put "if you are single, dont marry, live for the creator"

Greek-Roman mythology? All the same too

Inventors, rich guys, farmers, random guy that may be walking at the park right now or heck, some random old man you might met.
Pussy is not life.

>>81765456
Infact, i will add even more.

What man did to achive happiness? They did something not related onto others.

That may be work, that may be not.
Writting isnt working with your hands, neither is meditation or reading.
Neither is making some drawing or seeing something.
No, i am not saying you should work more, i am saying you should live your life to do something that is not related onto others.

Be a building? Make a building.

Read and understand a certain topic? Then read and understand that.

Pussy, relationships in general all arent related to you and in the end, will get better as YOU get better. You cannot live life if you live onto others.

Pussy is not life, working as a slave is not life. When will you try to live your own life and do that in which really matters to you?

Is it follow a religion? Then do it
You always dreamed of making a building? Then work to achive that.

Wanted to live a peacefull life with no worries? You can also achive that.

Heck, even your own argument. Pussy? You ABSOLUTLY want that? Then theres also plenty ways to get it, be rich, become better looking, go to a different location, try a new niche. Etc etc.

You CAN do it, but i ask, is that life you live really yours? Is it something you look and may see it is worthy?
Or is just an excuse about "biology" of how you cant and nothing else matters?

I lay my question to you anon. But i think no life should be wasted on something as simple as that, when we have so much potential for more

>>81765233
I was confusing Leonardo with Michelangelo. I said I keep trying so I'm not sure if you didn't read the entirety of my post but my work is starting soon so I'll bid you good day. You're not mean or malicious, you're doing a good thing even if no one listens.
>I belive anywone and including you, can, anon.
Thank you.

>>81765521
No. You under react and cope while rome burns. You see the positive things men manage to achieve in spite of Gynocracy and you point to that as the ultimate thing that we can turn to be "happy" since women took over the West and subordinated men as a group.
You conflate and confound the issues and the shifting cultural and power dynamics... Why? It's OK to admit women need to be owned and are incapable of rationality. Till we get back to what nature intended men are going to have a hard time and dislike it. Telling them to throw themselves into their hobbies doesn't solve the problem of hypergamy. You are correct insofar that self improvement/achievement is a generally worthwhile endeavor and that you should never give up shooting your shot at women. After all better to fuck a chick even if she has been brainwashed out of ever loving or pair binding with you.

If you are so into the science of love then u know this shit is important and are just making bad faith arguments... Bait poster
Keep fiddling Nero... No one is listening

>>81764854 (OP)
Prove that you're a happy hobbying 30+ year old virgin or shut up about circumstances you know nothing about. If you were in the exact same position as an incel you wouldn't make more of their life and circumstances than they already do.

>>81764854 (OP)
I'm assuming you're baiting, but no. There's less meaningful possibility and opportunity now than there has ever been. "Skills"? "Hobbies"? They're there, sure, but they're all arbitrary bullshit that you use to distract yourself. They're distracting surrogate activities that take the place of and will never be as fulfilling as real human goals and the process of attaining them, like, for example, building a romantic relationship and a family. Everything like physical security is now completely out of our hands and taken care of by the system. Even family is now more of a state concern. So love is the only thing left worth anything, and that's denied to many of us. So, obsession, sadness and depressoon.

>>81765705
Most of the "incels" just dont do anymore because they are too busy doomering about anything and everything. They didnt even try for a start.

Heck, most people dont even leave their homes to try something anon and those who do, actully managed something.
I've seen more manlets both ugly or average doing something with their life and STILL having a romantic life.

Unless, you are an especially exceptional case of extreme mental retardation or something so absurd you make people SCARED of your appearence. Theres nothing really stopping you if all you want is pussy or a gf.

You can do it anon, nothing is as bad as many make it seen, thats a bubble

>>81765680
>>81765680
Anon, you keep making your life about that and may even say it is nature.
But still dosent change the fact that is not life, you are just being sad for the sake of it by then.

Science of love is at its core just related to human being social creatures, the whole point is to not make your life about it anon.
I didnt even touch about social dynamics, yet you aleardy think the post is about it anon. Stop trying to make jumps and make it about how incapable you are of not being a slave to pussy and see what i actully wrote.

Your life, your reason to exist and what you do with it, cant and wont be determined by pussy. If you do that, you will and always will be depressed, because the moment you dont get it, you losw purpose of life.

This isnt about social dynamics, what woman deserve or not or what you think nature dictates for you. It is about how worthy you life your life and how would you look back at it.

You even are gratefull for how you life and why you live anon? Why would you put it back to woman when my point clearly is about how making your life about THINGS completly outside your control not only wont give you any kind of satisfaction but will simply destroy yourself.

Why anon that you must and die fighting an uphill battle to keep thinking that to be worthy to live you need something as simple as sex? Why cant you live your life, make friends, talk to people and still make something that is beside then you would consider worthy too?

This isnt about working or building things, not essentialy, i am asking, why in such age you give yourself to things so shallow and melodramatic when even when you where younger, such things simply didnt exist and you looked far, far beyond such matters.

Hypergamy? Nature and its rules? Social dynamics? Yes i agree with those things, but domering about those wont ever give you a life you find any enjoyement off.
Why even live then? If all you think off is if you have woman or not? Life is much more.

>>81765732
Not incel but why did you avoid his question?

>>81765801
It's not about how you look at it, because we're not blank slates that can be molded into any shape you want. We're human, in the full sense of the word. Some things are intrinsically more meaningful to engage in. Anon is bitter and blames gynocracy and hypergamy, and he's kind of correct in that his misery does come from not being able to find love. That can't be rationalized away, and life is not actually so much more. All the other crap is bullshit that won't fill the hole left.

>>81765705
I am very glad of the life i have and the goals i put to myself.

And i am glad of the people i got to know through it, yet, what makes my life so important when i questioned yours anon?

My point is simply, why waste your life on some romantic endevor in which wasnt even taken seriously till the medieval ages because the midia fed you up some romantic lie and base your self worth on it?

Cant you see yourself as more and independent of that, anon?
If we stop to think "incel" as it is, is a modern thing.
So obsessed with romantic love or making a family, in the end, is all about social validation anon. What in that really is about you?
Is it the good feeling you will receive of it? Or how you can say/show to other people you do infact got a woman/family to boast off?
You may make it sound the intentions are "pure" but is it really? What it gives you then, you cannot get somewhere else?
I infact know man who literally gave up their marriage and woman because they felt BORED, they didnt feel like living life and simply broke off the marriage to be single again.
Many such cases of that, if pussy or a family was really the absolute peak of life. Why such things happens even? What is this romantic mysticism that never proves itself besides what you imagine.

No anon, that isnt all there is to life, it never where, never will. And i know, all of those who passed in this thread can make more of their life, they have everything they need for that, deep within my soul. Even without any proof or knowledge of any of you, i have faith you can

>>81765862
>We are not blank slages that can be molded into any sbale you want
Yes, i agree with that and thats exacly why you cant make romance or love the center of your life.
People wont be the slate you made in your mind of what they are, making your happines and giving it to someone else will end up in hurting you and probably the person back too.
To be able to experience life and really start ti appreciate yourself, you need to understand that happines wont come from someone else or any kind of social validation there is.

It is not even i writting this, any kind of philosophy, religion or even historical people reached that same conclusion.
And... Well... I get pretty sad seeing people suffer to that when they all could be much more
Mistake of my part perhaps, but i belive in human potential more than anything and it does make me sadder knowing many nevee achived it because they stuck themselfs up...

>>81765801
Learn to string together a sentence holy shit
No one ever claimed women are the end all be all. Yet By your own admission social dynamics are important.
I have an otherwise fulfilling life, an ok career, hobbies, friends, money. Yet no matter what I have done from romance to marriage to dating tons of bitches, the dynamic is fucked and everything goes sideways. Like you say the problem is men are OUT OF CONTROL
That's a relatively new development. Women are meant to be collared and owned.
If our buildings were rotting and falling down would u advise people to ignore the issue and focus on their hobbies?
You think sex is a physical act. It is in fact an emotional and spiritual act that men literally cannot function properly without and has been perverted and twisted into something it was never meant to be
Are you even an incel? I'm not and even I fucking hate women

>>81765892
No, you misunderstand me. My bad probably, I struggle to get my meaning across. Love and the need for it is not some made up ideal that incels arbitrarily latched on to as the reason for their unhappiness. Listen: even if one had everything else one could ever think to want, had accomplished all one dreamed of, and were totally free, one would still want love. Because we're human. We're made to need it.

>>81765721
Romantic lie midia built upon it and you belive it.

No, history disproves this. What did any philosopher from the old times, be oriental or ocidental thought of it? What did the biggest religions though of it?
Heck, many man in rome married because thats how they got their civil rights.

What is "love" then, many different terms but i will guess that you are using the "romantic" love.
Guess what! That was made up in the middle ages by a duchess who found "man where too barbaric"

So, that "worth" is made up by a woman who wanted to put a leash on man she found too rough. All the romantic speeches, ways of acting that "love"(romantic) is somekind of super power and the meaning of life. Is, a lie.

They had other name for it before. The Eros and that is, simply, the lustfull love.

What is other types of love then? That really matters? Agape is one, divine love, one that isnt bound by family, partner or person. That is and should be what the word "love" means.

You do it because of your blood? Well, why not make your philosopical legacy then? Even a mere YouTube channel with 100 subscribers aleardy passed on his legacy more than a family of 9 children
Not saying it is wrong, but saying it is the one thing worthy left of life is a lie.
If you dont creat the child then... Can you really call it yours? They dont have your ideals, teachings or anything in between.
So, taking in all the mysticism, what is even left of romantic love besides social validation?

I think you have the potential for more, not saying you should or is your obligation, but i refuse to accept anywone is stuck at this forever with no choice.

>>81765892
Women are an essential ingredient to a happy life. You are telling people to make a sandwich when the kitchen is all out of bread
Then some guy walks out the back. He made a sanwhich out of some moldy leftover pieces he scraped up.
Everyone claps, impressed the guy has a sandwich at all...
You sit in the corner, playing with your autistic stim toys, thinking that eating is overrated and you never much liked sandwiches anyway
Who needs to eat when you have your model train sets?

>>81765919
Anon i am starting to think we are having two different conversations here.
Pause, reset.

Lets try again.

I, think theres much more in life and potential in man than putting the center of their life around pussy or woman. And i think, one, should achive the things their desire that arent related to other people.

I dont think that means you should be a slave to work or a stuck in weird man who only do hobbys.

I think that giving your happines to someone else is the same as giving them a gun and expecting for them to never shoot, ever, no matter the circunstances.

I think one can make much more, do much more and still have a healthy social life and not have woman as their main objective of happines. That they can do thing, achive things and perhaps, if they want get woman.

>That's a relatively new development
Yes it is, more reason to not play by the rules or mindset that existed before or the traditions built upon those rules, who dont apply anymore.

My point, now at the end is.
I think life is more than that and no man should base their self worth around woman or their happines around it, it is a thing apart, a lil bonus and something you do because it feels good and it is good, but it is not your life.

>>81765934
Media? I don't read news or watch movies/TV, and romance isn't much of a topic in the books I read. I don't care about courting with flowers and wine and serenades or whatever. The philosophers vary, as they do, but I don't remember any anti-love ones. Maybe the french perverts were like that. The biggest religions -- i.e., abrahamic -- say to marry and be happy. Living alone for god is good but only for the very, very few who can. I don't know what the rest of what you're saying is supposed to be about. Yes, love between men and women is erotic, and yes, also goes beyond that. Philosophical legacy is a cope and a surrogate. It is less satisfying, and doesn't let you live on anyway. I don't care if children carry on your ways, I'm saying that simply having them is a fundamental human drive and desire.

>>81765920
Would it? Again, love can mean many things.

You mean the love of a woman, ama family, a community or what?

Romantic love in itself wasnt even a thing till the middle ages.

Yes love is important but when i see that os not about romantic love, is about the agape. The divine love, one that isnt bound to family, lust or even people.

That love is what actully fills someone, is what an volcel would have and be satisfied with his life even if alone.
That is the love that matters.
Do i mean then you dont need to socialize? No, of course not, nor i mean you should stop dating woman or trying woman.
That is not too. Just saying, one cant make their life about it, they wont be living life at all, nor will enjoy their life at all.
Relationships are something you need in life but they CANT be your life.

>>81764854 (OP)
I don't want pussy. I want to be cuddled. I want to be know that I'm loved and desired. I want someone I can be vulnerable around 99 percent of the time. I'm tired of coming home to an empty bed every day.
>striving to make something you can be proud of?
Too much self hatred. Like people say I should be proud of shit that is the bare minimum like having a job and a car.
>Why arent you trying to make something and are so obsessed with pussy?
I mean to be honest, I just don't really try that hard to get a gf. Don't know how to talk to women. Fumbled some chick at a club. Just been more focused on hoarding my money and have a job interview coming up so I can leave my old shitty job that makes me want to bite myself and burn myself with cigs.

I don't want a gf in particular, but I would like a person to hang out with and try new things with. The problem is, some things you can't do without another person. And as nice as friends are, they can't do everything with you. They eventually get their own love lives, their own families, they don't have much time to hang out with you, and then you have to look again. I simply would like to not have to constantly search all the time for someone to do anything with.

>>81765973
What you think is objectively dumb and wrong sorry to burst your bubble
It isn't about giving your happiness, being obsessed or emotionally dependent. All that shit does is turn a bitch off anyways
But even the most stone hearted man becomes sad when woman after woman fails him. When he puts himself out there and tries and tries and ends up with evil abusive whores...
You keep taking about making it the center blah blah blah. It doesn't have to be the center but a life without a decent woman is like a car without AC in the blazing summer on the equator, even for a well adjusted guy who can take an L and move to the next bitch
You keep bringing up "do these other things, they are fulfilling and make you mildly more interesting to women!"
Plenty of guys do that... And yet the majority remain single. Your ideas are all known, Incorrect, or irrelevant

>>81765991
Don't abstract away the direct meaning of my words. You know what I'm saying. I do not believe that you're a monk on /r9k/, nor that you live your life for the love of the divine. And if you do, I believe you're using it as a distraction and that you'll grow weary of it soom enough. And even if you don't, then you're in that category of too-easily satisfied people to whom it really doesn't matter what they do, only that they do. That love is the only thing of worth is not necessary, but because all other things of worth have been made obsolete by technological progress. Well, you're purposefully talking around me instead of to me, so this'll probably be my last reply, but I wish you well. I reiterate that love and a relationship was, is and will remain a fundamental human want and need.

>>81765990
The bible, in conrithians clearly say "if you are single, then it is even better so focus your life to God. If you NEED a woman, then make it through marriage"
Merely, it is less worse than fornication, not what you should want

Plato didnt like such things, not did other greek philosophers.
Nietzsche was clear to be wary of woman and the strings of heart
Schopenhauer is... Well, i dont really need to write about him to explain...


You dont NEED that to be happy, thats my whole point. Is it good? Yes it is. Is socializing good? Yes it is too, we are social creatures.
Is having a gf the only thing worthy in life? No. It is not. It is a cope if anything.
If it was as fundamental as you say, and i need of human desire then volcel's would not even exist.
There is man who decided to break off a marriage and became celibate simply to focus on a calling he had. They had much more satisfaction like that, of course it may not be your case, but it does show that romance isnt just what there is of life or the end goal at alk.

My point, stating again is. Having it in your life is great ans you may even need it, but you CANT make it your life. At that point is not your life anymore.
Socializinf is good, relationships are good and part of a healthy life, but they arent life itself, they arent the reason you wake up every day... Or... Atleast, shouldnt be

>>81766050
The Bible literally acknowledged in the passage that God baked the NEED for women into men

You are so blinded by your retarded opinion that men don't need love that you ignore even the overt and obvious evidence that shows how dumb and wrong you are

>>81766008
You arent bursting any bubble, you are still just overrating it.

Man out there keep going into such situations because they do put it in such idolization.

My ideas are wrong? If so, how does many do what i just said and end up happier than some traditional family? It is not about it, life isnt just it.

Your life dosent need a woman to make it good, it us a bonus at best and what it should be.

If just having a woman is what make life good, why then, many man much time before us just married to get civil rights(rome)
They married because they needed to.
You say you are adjusted, yet you keep making woman as if it is the end of it all.

It is not, if it was, we would not have 1% of the things we had. Heck z tesla was a celibate guy and not because he lacked options, many spoke well of him, including woman. Yet he decided to ignore it all to focus on his objective.
His sadness came not from the lack of woman, heck, he never even mentions such, it was always related for his own goal and objectives.

Am i just talking of work then? No, i am not, i am saying about your life goal itself. It dosent need to be work, heck, a monk inst working, his objective of life is religious practices, yet, that is his life's goal.
I am not saying to make only on hobbys, i am saying, in any shape or form, woman will never be the center of your life if you want to live a good life.
Funnily enough, one gets more relationships thanks to that too. Its not an idoalization of woman or love or relationships that makes life enjoyable
It is good, yes, and its certanly preferable to have it. Heck, socialization is NEEDED for a healthy life, but its not life itself.

>>81766050
Women are supposed to be owned and zealously taking care of men. Instead we get this retarded society where the most attractive men own all the decent women (the women signed up for this using their precious rights so that makes it ok)

Something that before would be arranged, like tribal marriage, or assumed, like conquered women servicing their captors, or socially pressured into existing whole sale by families and institutions is gone forever. The ownership of women ended and most plunged themselves hurtling off the Chad cliff into the Wall of rocks below
Everyone's looking around at each other, wondering what to do next. Meanwhile you are still in the corner playing with your autistic trains.
This is Fine! You think.
We didn't need women anyway!

>>81766050
pretty sure the bible says a woman is to be subservient to man

>>81766050
One man ended his marriage to pursue a "passion"? No dude he got tired of his wife's abuse. How many more men have KILLED THEMSELVES over divorce rape, cheating, partner abuse? But they don't NEED to be happy right?
Fuck you.

>>81766026
Sigh... I didnt disagreed is a human need, i say it is not what life is about.

Socializing, as written before is part of humans because we are, deep within our instincts, tribalistic people. What i say is, it is not what life is about.
It is not the reason you live nor the reason you still live, if it was... Then... Most people are aleardy lost by it, but they are not and many are happy with their lifes too.

Why is that? Well, love isnt then the point, it may be good, it may even be needed to some, but is not life.

Simple as that. Theres much, much more to do that isnt stuck on mere romance. Heck, relationships without attratction, between friends or family, is as important and may even make some not even try to get romantic relationships at all, by being satisfied by it.

Woman isnt the end of all in life, it is good and extremely enjoyable, may help you live even better, but it is not fit to be your life itself.

Thats my point, life is much more, love is much more too. It isnt stuck to just woman or romance at all, it is and always was much more.

And i belive all of you anons can have much more too, beyond being sad or lost because you lack a woman. I belive that isnt the end of it all and.. maybe if you read this far, i belive you can have much more and is what life offers us....

>>81764854 (OP)
I have hobbies, I do things. It's not enough. Life for me is just endless stress with no relief. I want to feel comfort for once, I want to feel love.

>>81766063
The passage itself says, if you arent married, great, put your life to good then.
If you cant do that, then make marriage to avoid fornication. It is the second option, not the rule nor should be the reason for you to live.

You even read what i've been writting? The whole point is.
Woman isnt thr objetive of life, there is much more to it and much more you can do or have.
That may be material or not anon and i am not just talking of work. I am saying of your lifr's objective, the reason you wake up and do something.
Sure, many dont have that and thats exacly why many are so down in sadness.

Even the bible puts it as s second option of the "less worse" the point is to live FOR God and TO God.
That is what the bible says should be your objective in life and as i write is, why people put woman as their objective in life.

Its not complex neither am i trying to be hard to understand, anon. Simply is, yes, relationships are good
So are woman
Are their the reason to live?
No.

>>81766116
Anon, you are thinking something completly different from what i am writting here.

I dont know if you are understanding something else, but what you wrote has zero to do with what i wrote.

So i will keep it short.
Having woman = good
Not having woman = less good
Woman reason to live? No.
Is life all about woman? No.

>>81766193
I prayed to God for a wife and the chick he sent me stopped sucking my cock the moment i put a ring on it
Nobody cares about your high mindset bullshit when you have to be perfect just to get your cock sucked

>>81766123
Yeah...
I dont know what thst has to do with what i wrote

>>81766134
No, they dont need it to be absolutly happy.
And no, that man didnt end because of abuse, because his wife itself was the woman he wanted. Yet he did it anyway

And what can i say to those who killed themselfs? It is s tragedy and that isnt related to happines, it is related to how horrible they where hurt by their partner

That dosent go agaisnt what i wrote
It is, very clearly, woman ISNT the reason you live. Nor is the meaning of live. Nor is what you live for.

Those who did those things where hurt, destroyed and abused, that isnt only completly unrelated, but also one more reason why you cant base it around woman who would literally break your own life.

Why give it to them, then? You yourself wrote it, look what they can do.
Yeah, it wasnt supposed to be like that, but it is and the rules now playing arent helping you with it.

More reason to not base it around them at all.
Means you should stop if you desire them? No, not what i am writting. Means you dont make your reason of living

>>81766225
Not even related to anything i wrote at all. You are just venting now.

So you wanted a wife? Well, great. But things didnt work out? Well, that sucks.

So, you lost your reason to live now? Not at all. Is your reason to live a wife? Are you directly pursuing to get one that enters your standarts? Is that the reason you LIVE?

No?!

Then thats exacly what i am writting.
Will you destroy your whole life because of that? Dosent mean you have to lower your head to woman or these diabolical laws or what society does.
I am asking, do you need to destroy all and any happiness of things that are beyond woman, because you didnt get one? Is that what life is?

>>81766152
Our needs and the process of satisfying them are indeed the reason we're alive. Both as in that's how our race developed and we came to be and as in that being what keeps each individual going and motivates his actions. Are you saying that we have a higher purpose, like serving God? As an nonbeliever I can hardly accept ideas like that nor shake them from others, but they're at least not baked into us as needs. A man won't be miserable for not serving God (or whatever) but will be for not being loved by the opposite sex. Higher purpose doesn't matter to my ideas of needs and satisfaction either way.

All there really is to say is that people's obsession and misery stem from that
1. Love is a fundamental human need.
2. Some people are incapable of attaining love, or even of struggling towards that attainment.
3. These people have no respite in fulfilling other fundamental human needs, because all other needs have been taken care of.
4. This complete lack of ability to struggle with and achieve basic human needs leads to dissatisfaction and frustration with life.
5. Since love is the only human need still available to us, it seems obvious to these people that that is the issue and the failure making them unhappy.

One can cope, but it isn't enough. Not really.

>>81766339
Sure, as a nonbeliver that may seen the case to you, but my point still stands.

Besides love itself, even if we go by the hierarchy of needs, the top is that of things beyond what love can provide. What a family may be.

After all, how many man who are full of sucess never settle down, even if they could and many would do their best to maintain such man? Mostly because they dont want that.

Yes it is a reason why many people are sad and unhappy, but dosent change that... We can do much more than that and even, if we go by the need to have love, by doing things beyond it, one can also achive love too.

If not... One wont be free them, they will always be in need of another to even live.
Not to say it is wrong or one should deny it completly, but, how would you be able to actully be free and yourself and even achive peace. If you base everything around another? Who may or may not answer that(and most of the times, it is temporary too)

Thats why i hammer down so much that it cant be your purpose of life, only miseray awaits and in a age where you can have so much more, even love, if you stop trying to live by it.

This isnt related to God only, it may enter that scale too, but manly is about making your life... Yours.

>>81766339
Well i do gotta go sleep now

But, i will leave this last one to all of you.

Life, the reason you love(or have to live)should be yours, not anywone else's
Nor it should be stuck in someone else's

And i hope that all of you may achive a life truly yours and one you all are proud of.

See ya anons(if the thread still up when i wake up)

>>81766229
Since you need it spelled out for you, how can man be happy when women are not subservient?

>>81764854 (OP)
>>81764866
Women are so inherently values less even with their monopoly on child birth this is how pathetic men had to be to pass on their genes, yet again you just want to blame men because its the easy route out in our mentally raped society.

>>81764854 (OP)
Arriving at the truth of this world is realizing that you should've spent your time trying to reproduce instead.

>>81764854 (OP)
>amount of possibility and opportunity is exploding in this day and age
Possibility to do what? What opportunities
> why not try?
Try what.
I already work 50 hours a week and cant afford shit

>>81764854 (OP)
>muh hobby
Theres nothing to do and everything available in my area sucks
>you can learn evrrything for free
Not really. Also theres nothing i want to learn apart from how to emigrate

>>81764854 (OP)
Love is one of the most important things in life.
When I go outside I always see couples and it reminds me that I have never had that because I am inadequate.
All media is filled with romance. Most songs are about love, every movie or game has a love sideplot etc.
Sex is a natural desire. It does not matter how many hobbies you partake in, you are always reminded of it.