Do you think jesus was god? Do you think he actually resurrected and all that?
It's a bit too fantastical for me to believe

>>81767428 (OP)
No and no and how is believing in magical beings somewhere that we can't grasp not a mental illness??

>>81767441
Mankind's epistemological situation is grim. Logic is built on axioms, which are fundamentally unprovable. This invites radical skepticism. Everything is questionable, even your perception of a non-magical reality. Everyone adopts some sort of weltanschauung to deal with it, i.e. they adopt their own sets of axioms and derive their own meaning. Everyone does this, usually unconsciously but sometimes consciously.


You've got to serve somebody.
You've got to serve somebody.
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
but you've gotta serve somebody.

>>81767428 (OP)
Yes.
>Why?
Because I must.

>>81767507
this is because there are fundamentally only two human beliefs that all other beliefs come from.
Life is more better than anything
There are particular things more better than life

>>81767428 (OP)
I don't. I can't believe the god of the old testament is real. I can't believe in biblical history.

>>81767563
In Christianity, "life" and "things better than life" are linked. God is the Living God, the God of Life. Jesus said, "Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life."
It sort of implies to me that the two camps are scratching at different sides of the same door.

>>81767428 (OP)
If he isn't he's still the only human to live a perfect life.
He objectivley did not really that wild of medical phenomenon
You're rarley suppose to interpret the Bibble at face value

>>81767638
i don't know if you're trying to invalidate my point or not.
in any case yeah, at the end of the day it still stems from that belief system in any case.
when i say more better i guess i mean important or superior so to speak

>>81767651
if the resurrection didnt happen then theres no point to christianity

>>81767651
Jesus didn't even live a perfect life, people only say that because they view whatever he did as the standard of goodness.

>>81767428 (OP)
Seems fantastic, sure. But why call Him God if He couldn't do fantastic things? His teachings are true and He was an honest and honorable man. As such I am willing to believe His claims of divinity.

>>81767637
I can't either but I wish and even hope it was all real. I like the idea of the an antediluvian world nor only existing but also being a place of myth and legend.

>>81767701
it really was though

>>81767678
I'm not saying that it's invalid, but there is deeper complexity in the meaning of "life" itself that shakes the foundations of those two sides being separate. "Eternal life" is better than life, but it's still life, and God is better than eternal life, but he is also the God of Life.

>>81767898
yes im not disagreeing but at a base level at the atoms of the argument it remains true either one or combination of both

>>81767441
Mental illness is only whenever your thoughts negatively impact your life. You can have true thoughts bring about mental illness and untrue thoughts be healthy. The trueness of a belief has nothing to do with it being good for you or not.

>>81767428 (OP)
No and no he didn't get resurrected

I don't see why not, OP. If Gandalf and Palpatine could come back from the dead, why couldn't Jesus?

>>81768185
because it's fiction? Are you dumb?

I think he faked his death. It's all very sexy.

>>81768076
So, what do you believe personally? Who do you choose?

>>81768324
im a pretty pragmatic guy so a guess life is more better? sure there are things bigger than you but...who fucking cares?
if you can life free of some kind of hellish, unbearable suffering even though your life is imperfect you should protect such a life

>>81768192
The films are fictional, obviously. But the books are true. Setting the more recent resurrections aside - What about Osiris and Dionysus? It doesn't make sense to say Jesus wasn't resurrected when we know plenty of others were resurrected.

>>81768462
So, nothing is worth dying for, not even freedom?

>>81768539
>freedom
No such thing

>>81767428 (OP)
It's obviously not true but his teachings were still good since they basically boil down to "be good to people", of course 99% of Christians don't give a fuck about what he was actually trying to preach however

>>81768553
Freedom and power are linked. If you have no power, you have no freedom.

>>81768539
i mean if your choice is between dying for your freedom or living a life as a buckbroken slave then i would say fight instead of dying, right?
like why die? fight even if you have to fight like a coward, sun tzu said this in his book.
what if you cannot fight? then run why fight if you cant win, run like a bitch until you can fight again someday. you can neither fight or run but you would rather not be enslaved....then die if its your belief.
but yeah nothing is really worth dying for really, when you die you are over with....
say you go to heaven...you are still over with
say you are reincarnated...you are still over with
say you go into space dust i guess whatever it is reddit atheist say.....you are over with all the same.
so in that sense when your life is at a point of satisfaction or unbearable that is the right time you can say "yes i can die" rather than dying for some strange abstraction

>>81768928
Everyone dies, but the difference is whether you die doing what others force you to do or not.

>>81768969
thats a whole different discussion anon.
we are getting into stuff like free will and anarchism, individuality and so on
what i'm saying is no matter what you can still live and you should want to live unless you are ready to die or you no longer want to live.
the pursuit of that is more important than dying for something because you can still be alive while trying to fight for it/protect it.
thats why america exists, if everyone of the revolutionary army wanted to die for freedom.....they would be dead
but instead they fought a guerilla warfare to avoid dying as much as possible while trying to get freedom and they won.
seeing the state of america now you can seethe however you want but it remains true.
if i was one of them i would be like a sniper or sabotage person because fuck going into the face to face of battle to die but i will fight in way i can avoid death as much as possible.
again i just prioritize pragmatism over ideals but i will still try to see my ideals

>>81767507
>Logic is built on axioms, which are fundamentally unprovable
No. Silly statement.

>Everything is questionable, even your perception of a non-magical reality.
Yes. You can question everything you like. You know what's really easy to question? The existence of magic people thousands of years ago that don't seem to be around anymore now that most people are literate and think critically.

>You've got to serve somebody.
No. Imaginary friend haver cope. You're projecting some need that was forced upon you as a child by imaginary friend having dimwits and now your brain can't imagine anyone else not craving sky-friends. Tragic.

>>81768643
Are you just regurgitating something you heard somewhere?

>>81768612
>his teachings were still good since they basically boil down to "be good to people"
more like dont trust jews, foreigners are a punishment from god, dont be a whore, and fuck jews

>>81769074
Pragmatism is useful for self-preservation, but it's when you engage with the world more that you begin to grow a love for something other than yourself, something worth sacrifice; destroying your life so that what you love can live on.

>>81769107
Lucius Annaeus Seneca: "He who is brave is free."

>>81769101
>No. Silly statement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems

>>81769159
ok for instance, was a zogbot(yeah fucking zigger ahhhh whatever)
even when it comes to military(a supposedly sacrificial lamb of the country when war comes) tactics self preservation is taken more into account.
optics so we don't have to be so close to engage the enemy
personal medical equippment in case you are hurt.
body armor to protect vital organs.
because what good if you die? you can't even enforce your ideals.
if you are saying RISK your life then yeah i can agree because you won't necessarily die as a guarantee
i love my family and i hate my life, but if i died they are so useless to themselves who would provide for them? so for that reason i can't die for no reason. if you told me to die and they got idk 5sextillion dollars then yeah kill me bro but otherwise? naw if you love something really you will try to live for it in anycase

>>81769259
>if you told me to die and they got idk 5sextillion dollars then yeah kill me bro
Isn't that an admission that there are things worth dying for in the right circumstances? The grave should obviously be treated with gravity, but that doesn't mean avoiding it for all possible reasons.

>>81769305
i mean yeah im not gonna double down on my point because i'm not debating you im just discussing and we've been amicable so far.
in a sense yes you can die for something and it would be good i agree with you.
but me? i would rather die for something tangible my family in my case, but if you told me to die for something vague like freedom eh nah man.
fight for freedom? risk your life for freedom? yeah i will do my part....but straight up die? wtf does freedom mean here commander?!?! lol does this mean a future of hookers and blow or something? it just doesn't mean anything to me at that point