Please tell me if it gets any better, I'm halfway through this book and I'm about ready to kill myself. Absolutely no part of it so far has given any inclination that there is hope for me at 35 years old; and quite the opposite it paints an even blacker and more hopeless picture than I thought possible before I started reading it. There is actually unironically zero hope for men if they reach 30 without having had a girlfriend, sex, or a wife. It's not just funny internet wizard memes, the data itself is saying this. The only people who still have any hope at all are children and younger men in their early 20s.

He's not saying it's unlikely or very difficult, the data found ZERO.

Hey OP, 18 year old anon here, i'm trying to spend my life like your, can you give me some head up

>reading non-fiction

>>81801898
You need male friends, sports, and testosterone shots. The doctors will try to cuck you and tell you testosterone isn't needed, they are lying to you, do not accept it.

>>81801776 (OP)
I have read the whole book and it will not get any better. I didn't find it all that helpful.

>>81801776 (OP)
>if it gets any better
Get to the treatment part.
Good part: there is treatment that can work.
Bad part: you wouldn't find such treatment in the current year.

>>81801934
I found that in recent years only non fiction books entertain me.
I outgrew fiction authors they don't have stories and thoughts to tell me didn't read already.
But non fiction books still have novel information I didn't know.

>>81801776 (OP)
Isn't it weird how nobody here talks about actually going to therapy and fixing the root causes of their issues?

>>81802473
Did you read the book?
Author had some rough passages about conventional therapy and its useless nature.
Therapy that author believes works, you wouldn't find.

>>81802504
What type of therapy does the author believe works?

>>81801776 (OP)
Grug cannot get woman if grug no talk to woman
Sry bro it's literally science

>>81802533
Dating roleplay.

>>81802473
I'm not sure how effective therapy really is, anon. I've been to 3. The first two made me feel worse. I like my current therapist but I'm not gonna lie. My main reason for going is so I could actually get to talk to a girl. Which has honestly been a big help to me. Especially since she's really nice and genuinely seems to care about me. Don't think it's really "fixing" me though. Moreso just providing some human contact which makes me less miserable.

>>81802473
Therapy is for normalfags. Like literally, I think you have to be a normalfag with a huge social circle just to FIND a therapist who will take you.

>>81802797
I've been to 5 therapists. Two of them I went to the first session and never went back. I don't think they helped at all apart from maybe one, who was a man. He understood my struggles unlike the other therapists, so I felt less alone. None helped with dating.

>>81802797
>>81802825
Gilmartin's nuclear redpills about conventional therapy.

>>81801776 (OP)
I swear I've read this book before but I can't remember a single thing from it. Means it wasn't useful, I guess.

>>81801776 (OP)
Let me guess, this was written by an out of touch boomer?

>>81802909
His suggestions have been shown to be unworkable, in the mean time since that book was released.
>practice-dating therapy
Rental girlfriend type prostitution has been around in Japan for a while. Let's consult their birth rates to see how well that's going...
>match-making services
These services put you in direct competition with a massive pool of men, which is the literal opposite of what you need.
>shys anonymous
You are here. Is it working?
>coed scouting
I don't know what this means but it sounds wildly dangerous for any autist to be engaging in.

>>81803039
It is almost like men like us are genetically cursed or something. No matter what happens it never happens.

>>81803072
I wish I could give up responsibility like this and just kill myself already. Unfortunately if you look at real women in real life it becomes obvious they have no standards whatsoever, so it must be my fault.

>>81803115
You do not understand exactly what I mean. I am not saying that you are absolved of women not liking you (whatever that means). What I mean is that you will never find a woman with the way your brain structure works.

>>81802504
>>81802797
>>81802825
Thanks for reinforcing my point

>>81803169
These are the same though. If it's some kind of disability to do with my brain structure, then it's not my fault. But it's pretty hard to believe this is the case.

>>81803178
"Isn't it weird" isn't a point.

>>81803178
What was your point, anon?

>>81803225
>>81803225
*Root causes of their issues*

>>81803237
I already know that, anon. Doesn't help anything. You can know why it's raining, doesn't mean you can make it stop.

>>81803203
Sure good luck. I am not sure it is impossible for you to make it

>>81803250
So what was the root causes?

>>81801776 (OP)
Are you attractive? No? Then it will never get better.

>>81803252
Why doesn't that go for you as well?

>>81803272
Pretty much. Just be attractive or an overt narcissistic

>>81801898
>>81801976
dont trust the guy, excess testosterone is gonna make you feel like shit, try talking to people and women especially. Try to avoid people that seem like they have 2 braincells .

-fellow 18 year old annon

>>81803254
The big one is autism which I kind of realized was probably an issue for me once I had two therapists independently bring up the possibility of me having it. Still no diagnosis though because that's too expensive. Then I grew up around a lot of domestic violence, then there's my mother who was very cold and unloving. Never told me she loved me or hugged me. I think that's where a lot of my hangups with women come from. Then I was bullied a lot in school. Like spit on, insulted, pushed around, had my head slammed into the wall, told it'd be funny if I killed myself, threatened with a knife once, etc. Also finding this place fucked me over big time. Spent way too much time here alone as a teenager because I didn't have any friends

>>81802909
this is so bs, the writer clearly has no idea about what he is talking about. shyness clearly isnt genetic, its an upbringing issue and society has no responsibility to help these men.

>>81803203
what are you doing to get women, are you even trying ?

>>81803353
Everything is genetic, retard. Your genetics determine how you react to environmental stressors. Some people could go through being bullied and be just fine others could end up developing life long mental issues from it. Your genes determine your fate.

>>81803315
>The big one is autism
Fake . And I was looking for answers like mother said I should be seen and not heard. Don't speak unless your spoken to. The real deep root causes

>>81803278
In my case it is because I literally do not even know how to create chances for me.
Last year I only found 2 girls who might have had some interest but one is in a relationship and the other said no. It is like I have a mental impairment and nothing happens for me. I am also average looking.

>>81803370
You can always accuse someone of not trying hard enough. X does not have a girlfriend. It is not theoretically impossible for a man with X's traits to have a girlfriend. Therefore X must not be trying. QED BTFO.

>>81803393
>Fake
Very real unfortunately
>I was looking for answers like mother said I should be seen and not heard. Don't speak unless your spoken to
Anon, that's some weird shit you'd see in a movie. That's not how people really work.

>>81803380
if you put whatever genes in the same position since birth they will all eventually develop similar problems

>>81803439
never said that they arent trying enough but i believe they are trying the wrong way, western men tend to be kinda dumb about dating

>>81803454
What's the correct way?

>>81803507
its different for every case but becoming "friends" with her first and learning about her, what she likes who she is etc. seems to work better for making real relationships

>>81803353
> shyness clearly isnt genetic, its an upbringing issue
Imagine you are both right...

>>81803585
Friends-to-lovers is a fiction trope. I can't say I've known that many couples in real life, maybe on the order of 20 to 30, but precisely zero of those started as friends.

>>81803443
They literally won't. People react different to different environments depending on their genetics. That's why why you can be predisposed to developing schizophrenia or addiction or depression or anything. It's all in your genes.

>>81803613
I should add very important thing about learned love shy that appeared today.
In 1979 Gilmartin found that 1.5% men were love shy.
Last decade that percentage skyrocketed. Surely its not genetic change. But nurture change. Due change of nurture factors more and more men are learned to be love shy even if they dont have mentioned strong factors of inhibition and emotionality. Due to rise of hypergamy. Women enabled by social media and digital commutations can now easily go for 20% top men ignoring 80% of the rest. Depraved from female company men become love shy aka incels even if they wouldn't be so in the past.

>>81803678
one may develop schizophrenia the other may develop anxiety but both will develop something

>>81803668
well believe what you want, it worked for me and for people i know,

>>81803813
I mean is it true or are men like us not just a tiny minority?

>>81801934
>consuming fiction as books

>>81801776 (OP)
shyness is puer aeternus narcissism. read Jung

>>81803938
Ask around a university campus, its way more than 1,5% that never get laid

>>81803440
>That's not how people really work
your "autism" is clouding up your brain