Is this shit all real? I've been working on myself because I want a relationship but with the spaces I've been in online I am finding myself becoming disgusted with the behavior of the average woman and modern dating dynamics. I don't want to tirelessly chisel my character and body from rough marble and escape the pit like bane in dark knight rises only to be partnered with some slut who has already fucked 27 other dudes and finally wants to settle down with me. I deserve a partner who has worked as hard as I have, and I deserve someone to whom I am as special as they are to me. I don't want to be an emotionless mule doing whatever it takes to please some girl who is dreaming about better guys and bigger dicks all the time, all while getting nothing in return. Can somebody please tell me this isn't the reality of things and I'm just being gaslit into thinking this way? I don't want it to be true but then I'm shown statistics that back it up and my own anecdotal experiences seem to align with it all. Even if the guys posting this stuff are lying, the way I see a lot of women respond to them makes me think there must be something to what they are saying. I just am really bummed out about it because I really did believe in true love before all of this.

Idk what you're on about but all it takes is look and act masculine (strong), be nice, and display interest, that's all.
Display that you're confident in yourself and like yourself too.

It's really all it takes, trial, error, acceptable looks, and a strong and confident personality.
Confidence is self belief anon.

>>81817734
I've done that all my life and it's gotten me nowhere. I treat everyone nicely by default. I am starting to get a little attention now that Ive lost weight but.. Im 25 and women my age have already done it all and I feel like my adult life is really just beginning. It hurts me that I would be passed by all those years whole they had their fun and I don't like the idea of just being the guy at the end of the line. It makes me feel insecure, like they will see me as just a boy they can take advantage of because he's never had affection and will do anything to keep it.

>>81817734
>Idk what you're on about but all it takes is look and act masculine (strong), be nice, and display interest, that's all.
this doesn't make any people less disgusting to experience for me

you're acting as if your advice is not about getting putrid garbage at the end of the tunnel

>>81817686 (OP)
TLDR

How do I unsubscribe from this blog

>>81817686 (OP)
>I deserve a partner who has worked as hard as I have, and I deserve someone to whom I am as special as they are to me.
This perception (including the fact that you work hard so it has to be rewarded in turn) is an illusion, the universe owes you nothing, and other people don't owe it to you to hold themselves to the same arbitrary standards that you hold yourself to. You are the architect of your own suffering, and are cursed to be let down forever unless you let go of the confabulation that a person's value is somehow tied to the extent of their self-flagellation and hardship they've faced. Nobody will love you if you're mad at them because they didn't climb out of the pits of hell like you did.

>>81817845
don't forget
you're here foreverer

>>81817845
You don't, you read what others say and listen. If you don't you don't deserve anyone listening to you.

>>81817878
I don't want to be loved by someone who didn't lift a finger to in pursuit of me and to whom I'm just number 28 or whatever, that's what im saying. I'm can feel I deserve something without thinking any individual person owes it to me. If I work really hard for a relatio ship, I'm going to value it a lot, and if my partner didn't work really hard for it, they will not value it nearly as much. I'm just disillusioned by the apparent truth that I will never find someone capable of valuing me as much as I do them due to the inherent imbalance between genders when it comes to finding a partner.

Life isn't a video game, bro. You aren't owed anything for your supposed work. You can make all the winning moves and still lose. Such is life.

>>81818030
I'm not upset so much at the rules of the game as much as I am the other players. I guess I just thought the other half of the population thought of love and relationships in the same way I do but I'm seeing more and more that I will just be a utility to whomever settles for me.

>>81817686 (OP)
You're putting insane amount of effort to go from 10 to 100
She's already at 100 because pussy is inherently valuable, and you'll go for it regardless.

Yeah the mouse utopia sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it.

>>81818005
>I can feel I deserve something without thinking any individual person owes it to me
What does feeling this way do for you? Absolutely fucking nothing
Enjoy being miserable because of this mindset

>>81818180
It just means having standards. Like, if you feel like you deserve a big titty goth gf, it doesn't necessarily mean you are owed one, but you will hold out for one without accepting less.

>>81818222
Except in your case what you're holding out for is something that you've accepted is unreasonable and not real. And you've chosen to care about it anyway. Retard.

>>81817686 (OP)
Tell em half light
I feel a similar way about men. I'm not super attractive and there's really room for improvement, but would it be worth it? I haven't met a single happy couple, my mom got stabbed by her ex husband and lived miserably with my father. They all cheat, scratch, hurt each other, I don't think I can take that. Also, lol, you don't deserve anyone. None of us do. That's a silly mentality

>>81817686 (OP)
I felt the same way anon. I did the work on myself, I made choices that were hard to try and orient myself as a person deserving of the partner I wanted. I really was close to giving up entirely, every woman I asked out wasn't interested or had a boyfriend, the only ones with interest in me were not of suitable character to marry. Then, I met my current girl. White, christian raised, swedish, previous boyfriends but virgin. Shes into Star Wars just like me, likes most of my music taste, she likes my muscle car, likes that I box. The right one is out there anon. I almost gave up and committed mcskillet at 19, now at 20 I'm the happiest I've ever been. Forget the online shit, those people are real but it doesn't make your life better to worry about them. Keep improving, stay committed to the grind, keep growing your friend circle. You'll be okay bubba, I'll pray for you

>>81818005
A better way to phrase it is that you owe it to yourself, to date someone that matches your efforts

>>81818271
How is that a silly mentality? Why would I bother improving myself if I didn't feel it made me more deserving of anything? Are you familiar with the concept of self-worth? Maybe everyone here has too low self-esteem to understand it, but I think a healthy person SHOULD feel like they are deserving of certain things. It's called having standards and it prevents you from just accepting shitty circumstances in your life.

>>81818222
The big tiddy goth gf was just a hyperbolic example. If all im holding out for is someone who has put in the same effort as me, it can't possibly be an unreasonable expectation, right? I am proof myself that it's not unreasonable by having met my own expectation.

>>81818389
Second @ was meant for >>81818241

>>81818389
>it can't possibly be an unreasonable expectation, right?
You've acknowledged repeatedly in this thread that your definition of that isn't reasonable or realistic.

>>81818389
>I am proof myself that it's not unreasonable by having met my own expectation.
Based on how you've described your expectations of yourself, they seem like a gruling ongoing thing. It's not like you did it and now you're done. You're going to have to repeatedly continue to hold yourself to these standards you find challenging (since according to yourself, you need to suffer and overcome in order to improve as a person and be valuable) and you're going to grow increasingly bitter the more you fail to find people keeping up the same delusion, because you'll be angry and jealous that they're happy with themselves without having gone through the same meaningless self-flagellation.

>>81818479
My fear is that it's unreasonable and I'm basically begging for someone to tell me that isn't the case because it paints a rather grim picture of the world to think that I am somehow in the minority for working hard to get what I want and desiring mutual love and respect

>>81818513
Is it really so bizarre to expect that everyone should continuously grow? You're telling me it's a delusion to feel like hard work pays off and makes a person more valuable, and that you should try to find someone who reciprocates the effort put into a relationship? Yes, you absolutely need to suffer and overcome in order to improve as a person. I don't know how anyone could even argue that. Why do you think people look at trust fund and silver spoon babies with disdain and as being incompetent? Because they didn't suffer to get where they are and are thus less deserving of respect.

>>81818659
Don't listen to the delusional self hating incels on this site bubba. Yes you're in the minority, but its not impossible to find another.

>>81818659
Every belief is a delusion, it's about what you choose, but how you shape your understanding of value (a completely internal opinionated thing that originates inside of YOUR mind) directly impacts how mad you are about meaningless nonsense like the whining you've been doing in this thread

Holy fuck anon you lift weights in an air conditioned gym you are not some primal beast unleashing their genetic memory onto the world. Modern gym culture is fucking cringe.
>I lift weights so now I deserve a virgin teen bride!!!!!!!!!!!!

More pussy for me i guess!

>>81817825
>Everyone is putrid garbage
Anon maybe the garbage is at your own door and is let in every time you open it
>>81817810
>fat
Anon that's a bad spot to start at, being fat is like throwing away the looks factor altogether.
>women my age
Why would you date women your age? Go 18 and younger if you're not American
My gf is 23 and I'm 30
My friend my age has a 19yo gf, why would you ever date women your age anon? Do you hate yourself?

>>81818777
Nonsensical philosophical rambling without actually saying anything

>>81818794
Gross mischaracterization in the hopes of an angry (you)

>>81818739
Thanks

>>81818821
Well younger women are harder to get because they also have more options, but ideally yeah, you're probably right.

>>81818889
>Well younger women are harder to get because they also have more options
Anon younger women are as clueless and often more naive than you are, with less self esteem than you at your worst moment in life.
Get a cute ugly duckling, discarded by her retarded teenager or early 20s peers, that you see potential in, and make her your beautiful swan.

Only peak roasties know their "value" and how much men are after then, they are the exact type you want to avoid anyways.

>>81818889
You think you can only grow through suffering, perhaps you should pick up a fent addiction and overcome that.

>>81818977
Thank you for confirming that you are an idiot anon

>>81817686 (OP)
>>81817734
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>>81818271
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>>81818977
Yes
You now realize that the majority of modern dating & romance is a humiliation ritual for men that perpetuates an unconscious social hierarchy which pedestalizes women.

You already know the antiromantic nature of "dating apps". Realize those gender dynamics are slowly bleeding into "commonly accepted beliefs."

It can be prevented though. Fantasymaxxing and solipsism are a worthwhile solution. Meme yourself into a asocial schizoid. Everything is arbitrary.

Women are mostly coddled and so they "naturally" expect you to fall in line while also being "dominant" and "powerful" at the same time. It is a sickening paradox that subjugates men into being soulfarm cattle for the "women" egregore they idealize in their heads.

Atomize society and remove any avenue that lets men coddle women. (It's already happening)

Idk I looksmaxxxed and am 30 now


Im not a Chad so the idea that you will peak at 30 and be fuking young 10/10s is laughable if you were not doing that in your 20s

Ill be honest after all the self IMPROOOOVING I did I am finally able to get girls....but not really great ones

I cant get the 10s but I can get decent looking women my own age or insecure chubby/scene chicks that are in their early 20s


desu id recommend just looksmaxxxing and fucking insecure/chubby girls but that are young


if you are a chad and can fuck young hot ones do that but if not just fuck young mids

pic related the shit women will expect you to put up with if you dont treat them like trash and abuse them

>>81819059

I loathe how men are willingly becoming complacent with being cattle for the sake of the female(tm). Especially when there's so many other things you can put love into. You are putting on a jester costume to enter the roster of a woman's transactional and soulless history. Kids who are being raised on the fucking internet might actually think that the crux of "love" is impressing women and seeing it as a competitive game.

Love is not a game.

You will flaunt about the way you """worked on yourself""" to get the "girlfriend" but never asked yourself if she "worked on herself" and that's exactly the problem.

Even through all of this, you low key know that this bargain bin transactional relationship will end one day at the behest of, you guessed it, the girl. and then you will feel LE SAD which only contributes to the bullshit soft-power women arbitrarily holds in modern dating culture, all perpetuated from arbitrary gender roles.

And the worst thing is that men passively ACCEPT THIS and they still continue to perpetuate it.

This is exactly why I actively support AI-companionship, artificial wombs and whatnot. The thing that they will replace wasn't worth it in the first place.

>>81817686 (OP)
>Is this shit all real?
It's extrapolated from real occurrences but one should not take it too seriously. People are better than generally believed.
>I don't want to tirelessly chisel my character and body from rough marble and escape the pit like bane in dark knight rises only to...
Sounds like looking for an excuse there anon. Back to the gym with you.
>... be partnered with some slut who has already fucked 27 other dudes and finally wants to settle down with me
Then don't partner up with sluts? No one is forcing you to settle down with a bad woman. Hell no one is forcing you to engage with women at all.
>I don't want to be an emotionless mule doing whatever it takes to please some girl who is dreaming about better guys and bigger dicks all the time, all while getting nothing in return.
Well if you have got stunted emotions due to mental illness or autism you are not getting any kind of girl in the first place.
But again no one is forcing you to kill all of your happiness in life just to get a girl.
Even a good woman might not be worth it if you are just going to feel like shit all the time.
>>81817878
>a person's value is somehow tied to the extent of their self-flagellation and hardship they've faced.
But this is literally true.
Ok maybe not in terms of social success or career success or other meaningless things like that.
But when push comes to shove you know that the people who have been through it before will have your back while the ones that are used to having everything handed to them likely just run.
Character matters here more than anything.

>>81818513
>delusion
Everyone is under a delusion. Womanhood is one of those many delusions. Chivalry is a delusion. Everything is.

>>81817878
This pseudo-wisdom doesn't hit because everyone knows you wouldn't apply the same rhetoric to the feminine problem. Of course, everyone is the maker of their own suffering but there's no need to point it out if you're just going to arbitrarily pick and choose who's the "victim" and who's not the "victim". Until then, self-centeredness is a good thing and should be encouraged, especially when 50% of the human species gets away with it.

>>81819188
I understand I'm not forced to settle but I'm wondering if it's as likely as all of this rhetoric makes it out to be that my only two options will be settle or stay alone.

>>81817734
>Be Chad
The post

>>81819445
No anon it's take care of yourself and don't be a pussy, chad is running the extra mile, I'm asking not to be a bitch and get tired before even starting to run.

>>81818889
>Nonsensical philosophical rambling without actually saying anything
Makes perfect sense to me

>>81819292
You don't have to settle, patience. Be mindful of your thoughts, they betray your goal

>>81818005
You're not unreasonable anon, you just want reciprocity and somehow that's wrong to the fucking simps/women in this thread