I'm a complete and total fag. Have been for as long as I can remember. I have never dated a woman and never been interested or attracted to women.

I remember feeling nauseous the first time I saw a vagina in a porno when I was a teen. But I know a lot of straight people of course. But being a straight man looks like the most frustrating shit imaginable.

Like, I literally don't understand straight people dating dynamics. It's expected of the man to be chivalrous and to pay for the date etc. People say "Oh but it's normal to pay 50/50 for a date in 2025." But I have female friends, and I know for fucking sure they will never talk to your ass again if you're a guy who is on a date with them and you make them do 50/50. So let's be real, the man is still expected to pay. He's expected buy gifts, flowers etc. And like, the woman is expected to like literally not do anything. Just sit there and look pretty I guess. I don't know. And some of them aren't even pretty, so I genuinely don't know what the ugly ones do haha.

But it just strikes me as a rigged, one way deal. I constantly tell my female friends like "Girl, you agreed to go out with him. Show some fucking interest in him. Do something nice for him. Don't just like sit there judging everything he does with the coldest ice queen look on your face I've ever seen. That's why you're fucking single." But they legit don't seem to get it.

Like isn't the whole point of dating, especially if it's with someone you like, to show them you like them back so that things can progress into something more. What's the point of dating if you pretend to be unimpressed and disinterested in guys you like and think are cute. It doesn't make sense.

It's definitely not like this with gay guys, and I'm so fucking grateful for that.

>date a qt enby femboy
>fuck regular female fuckbuddy

'imple as.

>>81823519 (OP)
Yeah women are evil, stupid bitches, at least the ones who are single for a longer time but I am straight what can I do. The good ones are all taken pretty quick when they are young.

>>81823519 (OP)
But they are disinterested in the guys, they are waiting for a better deal that never comes.

>>81823547 Yeah that's another thing I legit don't understand about women. They reject cute guy after cute guy, expecting something better.

And they'll will make up the lamest excuses and be like "No, he gave me the ick because his shoes were untied."

And I just feel like screaming at them and being like "Girl, give me his fucking number. He's so fucking cute. I'll make him gay so he doesn't have to put up with this shit."

It's like oh my god, you straight guys have to put up with so much bullshit. How don't you just lose your minds with it. I can see why sexism is exists.

>>81823519 (OP)
Biggest cope ever. Just as bad as guys who say they're 100% straight
Want to know a secret. People who are comfortable with their sexuality don't go shouting it from the rooftops. If your post isn't just a larp, you're probably just a other bitter gay guy who is jealous they weren't born a girl as other girls steal the spotlight from your attention starved ass

>>81823519 (OP)
>>81823573
I'm gay and I have the exact same sentiments. There's so many cute guys that women overlook and are simply cruel to. Plus my straight friends just constantly humiliate themselves to appease their gfs.

>>81823519 (OP)
>Being straight must suck
idk i enjoy not having aids

>> 81823586 I made this post because most of my friends are straight women and I feel totally frustrated on behalf of the guys they reject and go on dates with. I've seen some of these guys. I've met some of them, and they've all been handsome very attractive guys. If they were gay, I'd be all over them.

Then my straight female friends will basically give him the cold shoulder, act like total bitches on the date and basically expect him to do everything for them. I find it so infuriating because I want those guys to be gay and it frustrates me that they're wasting their time with women who treat them like garbage.

I understand that they can't just turn themselves gay, just like I can't turn myself straight. But my god, I feel for so bad for straight guys.

>>81823586
enjoy losing half your possessions in a divorce when she gets bored bro.

>>81823519 (OP)
>I remember feeling nauseous the first time I saw a vagina in a porno when I was a teen
so do you just jerk off to your own dick?

>>81823519 (OP)
You're in a unique position to recognize this shitty dynamic for what it is: a humiliation ritual for men. We line in a gynocracy. Women hold all social power. They're like little princesses playing in a sandbox with peasants. I've opted out of the rat race and now I just take care of myself and focus on doing whatever I want.

>>81824059 No. I jerk off to other men's dick haha

>>81823656 AIDS would definitely be a huge concern if I lived, say, back in the 80s or 90s. But nowadays, you just take Prep. It'll prevent you from getting it. Condoms are also pretty reliable at preventing it.

>>81823519 (OP)
Yes, the game is rigged, but the real tragedy is that the pool of non narcissistic women who have self respect and want a partner, a family, a connection is shrinking. If it was like some years before, that let's say 10% of women are there to fool you, use your money and leave you traumatized, well that would be kinda bad. But in current year old, nasty, unhappy women are pushing on girls and young women atrocious strategies. To go on dates without any will to actual date the person, to trick into paying for shit, to trick into paying for a bastard child, to have a bf but still fuck around behind his back etc. So vast majority of women on the dating market are uter trash, unfixable, insufferable.

That must be an alien idea, but imagine you have a bf and an army of bitter, lonely, chronically online, boss-dads are bombarding your bf with propaganda that you are his oppressor, that if he's happy it means that he is not and he deserves better.

>>81823519 (OP)
I'm a bifag and yeah, I'm glad I'm attracted to men aswell, and I identify as gay simply because I don't plan on ever dating women again.
women are spoiled cunts that can't appreciate men that are interested in them, this is because they have thousands of men willing to date them at any point.
So they never try in relationships, they don't communicate, they don't try to be decent, they just observe the relationship without adding anything to it.
if you do something wrong they'll just leave you without explaining why or trying to work on it, because the other 999 men are also willing to date them so they'll just gamble for a guy that is 100% perfect, can read their mind and a bunch of other shit.
it's hard to find a monogamous fag but at the very least it's not as bad once you get there.

>>81823524
>mfw bi
>wanna fuck women
>want to marry a man
>mfw shit's impossible
guess thats why i'm bi myself haha

>>81823519 (OP)
Gay men aren't any better than women though. In fact, we are honestly worse.

AT least, most women's final plan is to settle down with a guy and have kids, and usually this is successful. Gays just have meaningless sex for the rest of their life, and then commit suicide once they hit the wall.

Gay guys who end up married are really, really fucking lucky. I hope i find a guy who's monogamous and only willing to stuff my shithole, specifically and nobody else. But there's not you can expect.

>>81824749
not much*

fuck im retarded and tired and writing is hard.

>>81823519 (OP)

>It's expected of the man to be chivalrous and to pay for the date etc.

No it's not. It's expected for the person who is less desirable and has fewer options to pay for everything. Most of the time, that's the guy but it isn't always.

All women have more options than 90% of men, but those top guys have far more options than even the most attractive women because all women pretty much find the the same small group of men attractive whereas men are more varied.

>I know for fucking sure they will never talk to your ass again if you're a guy who is on a date with them and you make them do 50/50.

Women will happily pay for dates with sexually attractive men. I knew a guy in college who had women giving him stuff all the time to try and get him to date them.

> And like, the woman is expected to like literally not do anything.

Again, no. It's the person with fewer options that can do that. That is most of the time the woman but not always.

>What's the point of dating if you pretend to be unimpressed and disinterested in guys you like and think are cute.

Women NEVER do this. Women become absolutely unhinged sex pests around men they find sexually attractive. In watching my hot friend, it seemed most women's idea of flirting was coming up to grope him or giving him random stuff out of nowhere. It'd have been sexual assault on a daily basis if the genders had been reversed. Women have no subtlety when you're tall, buff, and have a strong jaw.


But, yes, you're not wrong in that being attracted to women is the greatest curse of a man's life if he isn't in that small group of sexually attractive men.

>>81824749 But we don't need to be monogamous. I have a boyfriend, we've been dating for 3 years and are in love with each other. But we aren't monogamous. We have threesomes and group sex together with other guys.

As gay men, we don't really need to be monogamous sexually. It's not like we can get pregnant, and unlike women, we don't form emotional connections with random guys we have sex with.

If I was a straight guy, I'd 100 percent be monogamous and expect the same of any girl I was with. Women get pregnant and they form emotional connections. But for gay men, we can date a guy, live with a guy for years and be in love, and we can still have random hookups with other guys, and it doesn't matter.

I know my boyfriend won't leave me, and I won't leave him. We have that understanding. Guys can handle meaningless sex. That wouldn't be the case if I was a straight guy in an open relationship. Open relationships don't work for straight couples, because women lose respect for men who let them fuck other guys. They view them as weak and pathetic and eventually leave them for someone else. Gay guys, we don't care. We just think it's hot if we see our partner getting it on with another hot guy.

>>81823519 (OP)
straight: attracted to 50% of the population. less than 1% are attracted to you
gay: attracted to the other 50% of the population. Less than 1% are attracted to any man.

the grass is never greener

>>81824918
This is true. When I imagine it in my head, I would get insecure as fuck if my girlfriend fucked another guy. But I wouldn't feel even a smidge of jealousy if my boyfriend did

>>81824918
That's why nobody respects us, and our relationships aren't seen as real.

Honestly, you both don't love each other enough if having sex with each other is not enough and you need to involve random men. Women also freak out when their man fucks another girl, if you didn't know. Why should we be different?

>>81824984
This is the evopsych theory I've heard but if a man fucks another woman the wife is at risk of losing her source of security and paternal investment in her children. Whereas two men tend to both be relatively self-reliant. Fag couples have the highest income after all

I think you fags might also have it bad.
Monogamy simply doesn't exist for you. Cheating is rampant. Every husband you could have is a hoe.
Then again, you don't seem unhappy. Perhaps sexual degeneracy is fun if you're actually invited too. All your partners are hoes, but so are you, and banging is easy.
Meanwhile straight men have to see how women turn into complete whores who fuck everyone...except for them. If you are in the bottom 80%, its hard to bang a used up hole.
If women were equal opportunity whores, perhaps everyone would be happier.

Or perhaps you gays are unhappy without monogamy. Its fun for a while to bang everyone, but when you hit 40 you wish you had just married instead

>>81823519 (OP)
>But I have female friends, and I know for fucking sure they will never talk to your ass again if you're a guy who is on a date with them and you make them do 50/50. So let's be real, the man is still expected to pay. He's expected buy gifts, flowers etc. And like, the woman is expected to like literally not do anything
That is not true though. This is what was peddled hard by all the bluepill programming in 1990-2010 but reality is chad gets sex and beta gets to pay for a dinner. If you are ever in a position where you are expected to do this shit then you already lost and there is no relationship to be had at the end of this road.

>>81824984 As gay men, we have the lowest divorce rate of any type of couple. Only about 25% of us get divorced. Compare that 50% of straights and 75% of lesbians.

So, our relationships are literally the most successful. If anyone should be banned from marrying, it's the lesbians.

If a gay couple wants to be monogamous, I'm totally fine with it. I just think being monogamous is not essential to our relationships, because we don't think sex has this deep meaning behind it like women do.

Straight couples have to be monogamous. If they aren't, then they end very quickly because women basically use open relationships to find a better partner who they'll eventually try to be monogamous with. But as gays we don't do that.

>>81824749
At least you own the fact that you are a slut.
Women are both sluts and hard to get. They are entitled sluts. You're dancing like a clown to get a crumb of their attention, meanwhile she's getting pump and dumped by scores of genetically superior men who put in no effort.

Ideally, dont be a slut. But if you are a slut, dont do the "i want to be romanced" shit.

>>81824797
What a fucking truth, and what a fucking blackpill.
Women will eternally deny all of this.

>>81825089
Sex does have deep meaning lmfao. If you fuck a woman, she gets pregnant, and you are supposed to take care of her if you do, that's why love evolved, so you stay with the woman instead of pumping and dumping her.

Gays are not magically immune to commitment or love or whatever like your degenerate brain thinks it is. You are just selfish, probably a nymphomaniac, and you cannot handle not having sex 24/7 with every man you come across, because you are a whore at your core. I honestly respect prostitutes more, because they do it for a living and to survive, but you do it for mindless pleasure.

Your relationship is a mockery of what love is, and non-monogamous relationships do not last long anyway. It will eventually end when one do you finds someone they like more (because you clearly don't love each other).

>>81823519 (OP)
Women are literal garbage, they have no intellect capabilities to have deep understanding of humility and values, self centered ego driven parasites

>>81823519 (OP)
And she sleeps with Tyrone on the side while you pay her bills!

>>81825106
An example of this is an anecdote Contrapoints had on the Incel Video.
She went on Tinder (the hookup app). And got offended when a guy directly asked her about her underwear color.
She also said that if he hadn't asked that he probably would have banged her that very night.
According to her, the underwear question made her scared. "I'm just trying to see if you're a serial killer".
This is an obvious lie. What she wants is to be romanced. Even in casual sex. She doesnt want men to be direct. She wants men to built a rappor with her before pumping and dumping her.
She also says she is usually hurt after casual sex because she falls in love with them. This retarded strategy is the way most women behave. So i have no problem calling contrapoints a woman too, she is just as retsrded as them.

Women want to both be sluts who bang everyone. But to be romanced into it, men should dance like clowns to entretain their used up holes

>>81825199
>She also said that if he hadn't asked that he probably would have banged her that very night.
Lucky guy. Narrowly avoided a troon.

>>81825117
Of course they'll deny it. The scam that society runs on is based on the illusion men have of women.

>If I just am a good person and a good provider she'll love me and have my children!

Once you realize how women actually see most men; that we're nothing more than tools to be used while we're useful and discarded when we're not, then that whole scam just falls apart entirely.

>>81825199
Lol wrong. If you have to convince her then she isn't really attracted to you.

>>81825301
Are most troons rapists? Online troon defenders say troons shouldnt disclose before fucking. Which is rape.

>>81825809
Women simply aren't attracted to most men. They deny it, because that way men cater to all their whims. Women are the ultimate capitalist bosses except there is no guarantee they'll actually pay you

>>81823519 (OP)
The ugly ones are either delusional about their own SMV (this is most-common with the YAS EBONY QWEENZ), or resigned to slurping a lot of cock on the first or second date.

>>81825089
Stop speaking for all gay men. Im a gay man and sex does have a deep meaning for me. Just because you think one thing, doesn't mean everyone that has something in common with you thinks it.

>>81823519 (OP)
I have never in my life understand the faggot aversion to pussy, you think pussy is gross but you like mens asshole it makes no fucking sense

>>81824918
>>81825089
You non-monogamous faggots are the reason why gays are known as absolute irredeemable degenerates. Every time I consider going gay and see what's out there I get bombarded by weird 40 year old disgusting gay pride parade freaks who'd fuck anything that moves and it's actually offensive to me so I immediately stop looking.
Not sure whether to thank you or hate you

>>81826263 If sex has a deep meaning for you as a gay man, then you're absolute moron. We can't procreate and we fuck each other in the bum for pleasure. The only thing deep about it is how far the cock can go down our ass.

We can't procreate, we're not bringing new life into the world or forming a family by having sex. It's all just for pure pleasure. And there's nothing wrong with that. But please don't say there's something deep and meaningful about gay sex. It's fun and very pleasurable and enjoyable. But it's not meaningful.

I can have sex with a random guy from a gay bar, and not ever think about or remember him for the rest of my life. And he'll probably do the same with me. We gays have sex for fun. That's why it's awesome being gay.

>>81826303
Cont.
Perhaps sex is meaningless but it's still appalling how gays always seem to want to fuck anything they see even if they already have partners. They could at least explore new things with the same person but no, they'll flirt with any guy they see because having some 35 year old prolapsed bug chaser on the side gives them the confidence. Let me guess, you're also a druggie.
>>81826325
Yeah, I think I do hate you that much because your existence actively makes it harder to find someone similar to me who just wants a genuine, emotional connection which is way too fucking rare these days.

>>81826303 Well yeah. That's what the gay community is sweetie. Yes, we are degenerates. That's part of the fun.

By the way, straights would be exactly as promiscuous and wild as gays if you didn't have women pumping the breaks and being waaay to selective when it comes to sex. If women were more generous and less superficial with who they are attracted to, and are willing to have sex with, the straight community would be just as fucked up and degenerate as us gays.

Men have high sex drives whether they are gay or straight, this is a known fact. We want to fuck all the time. It's just that us gays don't have a bunch uptight, killjoy cunts holding back the tide of horniness like the straight community does. That's why we're degenerate. We get to be.

You straight guys sadly have to jump through a million hoops to get a hint of pussy. That's why I feel sorry for you that you have to deal with that just to get dick sucked. I can't imagine having to deal with that and still being a sane human being.

Fags explain to me how pussy is gross without mentioning anything having to do with bad hygiene from the girl
like how does this turn you off?

>>81823573
Ironic that you complain that woman don't show enough interest, and then you go on to talk about how you're a creep who thinks of random guys as "cute" just because they exist and you want to nihilistically fuck their ass before actually giving two shits about them as people.
>>81826386
News flash, life isn't about having as much sex as possible with as many different people. There's these things called romance and love. Your fried brain can't comprehend it.
If you seriously can't control yourself at LEAST just stick to fantasizing about your weird sex stuff until you find one person who's compatible, but no, I bet you want to go out of your way to try and groom straight men and that's part of the point of you making this thread

>>81826396 It looks like an open wound, not like a sex organ. That's why I find vaginas disgusting.

It looks like a thing you'd get after having a botched surgery in the ER. Then they get all gross, wet and sloppy like a fucking squid when they're horny. It's absolutely disgusting.

Penises are legit hot. A big hard meat stick that you can suck like a lollipop, and when it orgasms it shoots milk. It can also go inside your bum and give you an amazing prostate orgasm. Dicks are just so much better.

OP you are right.
My life would be so much better if I was a gay dude, but I have no attraction to men whatsoever.
Apparently my fashion sense, and way I express myself is very "gay-coded". I get hit on by gay dudes all the time, and some women friends I've had have asked me if I was gay out of curiosity and were surprised when I said no.
Gay dudes seem to be a lot more upfront with how they feel and are a lot more pragmatic with romantic/sexual involvement compared to women.
BUT I'M FUCKING HET :(. I'm attracted to women exclusively because of my brain chemistry, but the straight dating scene is so absurdly fucked up and full of so many different expectations and strange double standards that It's near impossible to be yourself authentically and still have any girl show interest in you, not to mention how the dating apps are all scams, and the current tensions between the genders.

>>81826428 Jesus Christ, you are clinically fucking retarded. I'm like the most bitchy gay imaginable and I still am not as much of a bitch as you. You sound like a woman with your notions of romance and pie in the sky nonsense.

Let me break it down for you. Whether you're a gay man or a straight man, sex and love are two seperate things in your brain. Only women view sex and love as being intertwined. This is because women can have babies and need to feel love or attachment after having sex, just in case they get pregnant. It's an evolutionary response basically.

But for us men, whether gay or straight, we don't have that. Sex and love are separate things for us. I love my boyfriend and would die for him if necessary. We share a bond outside of sex. There are thing I love about him as human being that have nothing to do with sex.

Sex is just a pleasurable activity. That's all it is. It doesn't mean you're in love or any of that shit. It just means your ball sack is full and needs to be drained.

The actual feeling of love is built on actually getting to know a person and coming to enjoy the many aspects of their personality such as their sense of humour, their experiences, their intellect, their positive traits etc. Love is something that has nothing to do with sex.

This is how it is for all men, gay or straight. This is why for men, when they're asked questions about why the love their wife for instance, they list things about her that literally have nothing to do with sex.

But for women, when they're asked why they love their husbands, they'll list off things that basically amount to why they're sexually attracted to him. For instance they'll say they love him because he's strong, they feel safe with him, he's courageous etc. These are all things women are attracted to on a sexual level.

>>81826671
Yes I agree with pretty much everything said, However what I see as wrong is that you still want to involve other men in your life just for sex, why? It's unsafe and shouldn't be any better than having sex with the person you actually love. That's what makes you weird and degenerate, you treat sex as a drug looking for the next high instead of as a shared activity to explore and refine with your partner.

>>81826814 You're still not getting it though. Straight guys would treat sex exactly the same if they could. But again, it's women who pump the breaks on that shit with how extremely picky and selective they are when it comes to who they're attracted to and who they'll have sex with.

So straight guys, often sadly have no choice but to settle for the woman who has deemed them attractive enough to have sex with. And only have sex with her forever and ever because they don't have options for anything else.

But the Chads, they basically act like gay guys. Women all want to have sex with them, so they fuck a different woman practically every day and have threesomes and shit just like us gay guys do. They're not in love with the women they're fucking. They're just trying to drain their balls.

Gay guys do the exact same thing. Except the only difference is, we don't have to do the tango in the sexual market place with highly selective picky cunts. So we all get laid like Chad's do in the straight world.

We aren't anymore degenerate or promiscuous than straight men are. Straight men would do the exact same stuff as us if women stopped being superficial, uptight cunts to them tomorrow. Chads are proof of this. Women aren't picky towards them, and they're out there doing wild degenerate shit with women all the time. Most Chads cheat on their wives or girlfriends on a regular basis. Does it mean they love the random bar sluts they're nailing more than their wife? Probably not. They're just using the bar sluts to drain their balls and have fun.

>>81823519 (OP)
Women have a monopoly on birth

>>81827080 Yeah they do. But they aren't really doing much of it nowadays. Birth rates are at an all time low and abortion rates are at all time high. The one they've got, they aren't even doing.

>>81825089
>As gay men, we have the lowest divorce rate of any type of couple. Only about 25% of us get divorced
Maybe it's because, as you just said, gay men don't see monogamy as important. Women do which is why they'll divorce their betabuxxers when it's time to take cock again. Men do which is why they divorce their dead fish wives when it's time to lay pipe again.

>>81823519 (OP)
hahaha when I read this I got really envious
I wished women put at least a modicum of effort into it like you described
it's just not fun, even the sex is bad, because they'll expect me to do everything while paying no interest in me
maybe I really should get gay so that I can have an actual connection to a human being. So fun and fulfilling actually

>>81826497
when have you ever seen a wound that looked like a pussy besides the self inflicted ones trannies get?
also its supposed to get wet, its natural lubricant

>>81824939
We can't physically go to a bar where all the women will be into us.

>>81823519 (OP)
Thanks ganon I appreciate the sympathy

>>81828193
aren't gay people complaining about how their bars are overrun with straight people?
anyways those scenes are more so for hookups so if sex is all you're going for, then we have a winner I guess.

>>81823519 (OP)
>And like, the woman is expected to like literally not do anything. Just sit there and look pretty I guess. I don't know. And some of them aren't even pretty, so I genuinely don't know what the ugly ones do haha.
This is why I don't approach women, they're literal fucking NPCs that don't do anything and don't know anything so why should I spend my money on them?

the ugly ones were required to develop personalities because unlike the attractive/average counterparts, existing wasn't enough.
It's why every time a girl has a good personality, you can bank on the fact she's ugly/fat, or was simply too undesirable at some point in her life and developed a personality out of necessity.