Why do people deny climate change despite fact weather has become increasingly more extreme

Because the solution would require massive authoritarian reforms and Americans aren't ready to have that conversation.

Also the dirtiest countries are India and China. Do you feel like going to there and telling them that they're way of life is wrong? Good fucking luck with that.

Its over.

NYC could use a good deluge.

>>81843901 (OP)
im not denying or affirming climate change. i simply do not care, frankly i'd want it accelerate and get worse

>>81843901 (OP)
The debate isn't about the existence of climate change, it's about the cause of climate change.

>>81843901 (OP)
We need to industrialize africa

>>81844032
yeah, the change necessary on the US side is intolerable to the US people, and China would make our sacrifice meaningless. Instead of reversing climate change, we should instead just try to adapt to the changed environment.

Or we could just dump a bunch of iron oxide in the pacific ocean, as it's the chemical limiting factor in a big oceanic foodchain that would capture a shit ton of carbon at the bottom of the ocean, and essentially give us a global free pass on carbon emissions, but the politicians don't actually want to solve problems, they just want to control you.

>>81843901 (OP)
I have never said that the weather can't change or can't be extreme. It can and does and always have. However, I don't think that paying more taxes and giving more power to jews can control the weather. Or if humans can control the weather, I am sure they don't need my help and are only using the technology to terrorize us. Either way I am not paying more taxes or giving more power to jews.

Mooooom!
Jews are posting again!!
I think they're trying to get me to dump my new car and spend thousands on a new EV that will explode in my face!!!!

>>81843901 (OP)
How many paper straws do I need to buy to save us? Is there anything else I can buy to do so?

people always bring up china but hasnt its pollution pretty significantly decreased in many areas? like not even believing their government, just before it was so fucking bad in so many places that you could see it

>>81844112
Not really, there's been a slight decline, like 0.5% or something but otherwise no. They are projected to reverse it but ehh

>156 years
Very short period of time.

>>81844112
their government is taking some steps to reduce carbon emissions but its not really enough i think
still more than the US

climate change is how we're gonna get TND

>>81844173
The opposite, actually. Niggers will leave and come HERE.

>>81844145
yeah I mean it isnt enough but it is something and isnt something good? should we not want the us to do something as well? other asian countries also pollute a lot and maybe we cant convince everyone but doing something yourself seems like a good first step, idk

>>81844103
>I think they're trying to get me to dump my new car and spend thousands on a new EV that will explode in my face!!!!
>implying
The Raped.

>>81844112
their emissions are going down because their population is going down and their exports are going down and the whole chinese system is collapsing. They're still the worst polluters, and it goes beyond just carbon emissions. They don't handle nuclear waste correctly and industrial pollution just gets dumped wherever they can make a bribe stick.

>>81843901 (OP)
Climate change is real but it's not for the reasons you think. The poles are currently shifting and we're due for another cataclysmic event.

>>81843901 (OP)
because it feels good to not think about the world getting rapidly shittier. I wish I were stupid enough to deny blatant reality, I'd probably be happier.

>>81844104
This is bait but I'll reply anyway. Paper straws are one response to plastic pollution, not climate change. Two separate environmental issues.

>>81843901 (OP)
It's not "people" its right wingers

Right wingers are literal primitive tribalist apes with humanoid appearances

>Australia has had like 4 "once in a century" weather events in the past 5 years
Guess we'll know after 495 more years if that'll even out.

>>81843901 (OP)
Climate change fearmongers said Florida would already be underwater by now. That was 20 years ago lmao.

>>81844252
they do paper straws in plastic cups. It makes no fucking sense. I'M FINE WITH A PAPER CUP.

>>81844269
Yes surely nobody knows anything about this, it's all just speculation and you are the only smart person.

>>81844272
Good luck buying homeowners' insurance in Florida right now.

>>81844252
The "bait" was supposed to highlight that often the proposed solutions to environmental issues are ineffective at best and a moneygrab at most. The emphasis is placed on the buying angle.
My western european country has already conducted countless of studies that show that even if we got to a negative output (my country) it wouldnt matter for the big picture. Even if we proceed with specific industrial and rural concerns our environmentalist lobby has fought against, it wouldnt matter because of the industrial giants and industrializing africa. Yet, we are still encouraged in the same breath to drive electric cars.

>>81844314
>The "bait" was supposed to highlight that often the proposed solutions to environmental issues are ineffective at best and a moneygrab at most. The emphasis is placed on the buying angle.
Yes this is 100% accurate, greenwashing is very much real and greedy people will try to take advantage of crises to sell shit, especially if they're posed as easy solutions. However like I said it's a weird thing to bring up because it isn't related to climate change, which is a much, much more difficult problem to solve than plastic pollution.

> it wouldnt matter because of the industrial giants and industrializing africa.
So everyone falls back on this "logic" of blaming everyone else, and nothing gets done and we all cook alive. You do see that this is just a whiny excuse, right? If there's a problem we should do something about it instead of bitching about other people not doing enough.

>>81844348
>ike I said it's a weird thing to bring up because it isn't related to climate change,
Like I said, it was merely to emphasize the buying aspect. No need to repeat yourself so I have to repeat myself.
>So everyone falls back on this "logic" of blaming everyone else, and nothing gets done and we all cook alive. You do see that this is just a whiny excuse, right? If there's a problem we should do something about it instead of bitching about other people not doing enough.
I understand what you mean but our country is literally just that small.
The problem is mostly that we cant stop these giants and that we cant possibly forbid africa from industrializing.
It is not being whiny, it is acknowledging that we are already close to being a net negative co2 producer and that if ofcourse then doesnt matter because noone else puts in the effort. Once again this point merely is used for my final bit of that section which is that even if my government acknowledges we cant do anything else to improve things, we still should buy stuff lmao.

>>81844032
Mass death is natural, be glad we were born before it happens, enjoy life, there is nothing we can do about it

>>81844424
I just wish I was able to make peace with it. Sometimes I have the urge to just take a gun and go after the bastards.

>>81844441
>Sometimes I have the urge to just take a gun and go after the bastards.
MAAAAAAAAWDS.

>>81844441
You kill them and another will take their place, there is nothing anyone can do, its like swimming against the wave, people will rally when its too late, just enjoy your food and air conditioning now

>>81844402
Well thanks to your country for actually trying. Unfortunately, mine is currently run by retards who just want to see the world burn, however I'm still trying to do my own small things to make the world very slightly better despite it all. I've planted and nurtured thousands of native trees and shrubs, hopefully they mostly survive and hold back the tide just an infinitesimally small amount.

> if my government acknowledges we cant do anything else to improve things, we still should buy stuff lmao.
It says a lot that the only real freedom we have most of the time is deciding which products to buy. This is a broader societal critique than just environmental issues though

>>81844448
Chill. Nothing ever happens.

If anyone cared about climate change they would start sending poison and diseases to Africa and India instead of money and food.
I suggest you start learning how to be hippy larpstead farmer. John Jeavon's How to Grow More Vegetables is a very brief overview of a closed system that is made to tackle the problem of food insecurity. Use his ideas but ignore the closed system part. The earth is a zero sum game. I know my life is worth more than thousands of other people's lives. So I will use seaweed and manure to build up my soil and not feel guilty about it.
Most people who claim they are worried about climate change are clearly liars. They live in the city/suburb. They are directly causing the problem. I believe they have no right to speak on the matter since they don't actually care and they are the cause. Anything they have to say is selfish nonsense. Probably boils down to something along the lines of "give me stuff". Literally kill yourself if you aren't going to be part of the solution. Grow heirloom and wild varieties of plants and put them up by canning, cellaring, fermenting, etc.. Stop buying food and using plastic. If it can't be made from metal, glass, fur, ceramic, leather, bone, wood, clay, shells, or cotton/hemp/flax/wool then you should not have it.

>>81844057
no that shit isnt real

Why isn't Climate killing more people if it is such a pressing disaster?

It confuses me because all of our leaders tell us it's a huge problem, but then behave exactly as if it isn't.

>>81843901 (OP)
Because the "solution" always involves taxes which tends to inform people it's bullshit.

>>81843901 (OP)
Nuke chinks and jeets asap if you're that worried. End of.

No one truly wants to address climate change because it would require massive lifestyle changes that no one is willing to do.

>>81844284
>2019
You have been muted for 2 seconds, because your comment was too low in content (0.00% content).
nigger

>>81845521
COVID comes to mind, of course.

>>81845485
Better technology and disaster response anon. Is it that hard to realize that we've advanced since the 1920s?

>>81843901 (OP)
>climate change
Anything that kills americans is a good thing

>>81843901 (OP)
There are Americans who don't believe the moon exists, dude.

>>81843901 (OP)
This isn't related to climate change. This is because the government fucks with the weather via cloud seeding.

>>81843901 (OP)
>Why do people deny climate change
People aren't denying climate change
You let the language manipulate you, like "antivaxxer"

What people deny is the human impact of climate change, and whether or not we can do anything about it I don't think we can

The world population reached 1 billion in 1804 and crossing 1.6 billion by 1900. It is currently 8 billion. The fact we are seeing the damage caused by these natural disasters increasing while the lives lost is decreasing show a worldwide proliferation of Homo Sapiens with survival training and resources to survive these events
There's still vast swaths of Canada or Australia where if a Hurricane hits nobody cares because nobody lives there, with casualties reaching the dozens. As humanity proliferates more, there will be less disasters that hit empty areas

>>81843901 (OP)
They're heavily brainwashed by the oil companies. Sue the oil companies to clean up the pollution.

>>81843901 (OP)
>climate change
The facts it was rebranded from global warming to universal "climate change" alone should tell you that is grift.

>>81845124
> diseases to Africa and India instead of money and food.

Avg African has less carbon effect than a single American by 100x.

>>81846687
>reminder that the rebranding of global warming to climate change was a republican effort led by pollster frank luntz in the early 2000's to make it seem less threatening.
>itt: republicans mad about republican propaganda

stay ignorant anon

>>81846731
>still parroting outdated carbon meme in the year 2025
Sweety science discovered more important factors. Get with the times, boomer.

>>81846770
And Reagan pardoned 10 milions wetbacks. Don't see democrats protesting that.

>>81843901 (OP)
A lot of the denialism came from dat nigga Al Gore. He made that "documentary" called An Inconvenient Truth where he exaggerated a bunch of shit. It was basically a lot of alarmism and doom and gloom packaged as a factual documentary. When none of what he said came to reality, people started to doubt climate change. Dat nigga went too hard and ruined it for everybody.

>>81846840
>It was basically a lot of alarmism and doom and gloom packaged as a factual documentary
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zGUMqBBbKqI
What part do you like best? I choose wholesome spiritual chungus presented as Prophets of Truth

i like how talking about the history of the earth you are always reminded things happened over thousands of millions of years, but with climate change we only have a decade. oh and that decade began in 1970 LOL

>>81846830
>proof that republicans think of politics like a sporting event

>>81846949
Lest set things straight: warming or cooling?
>>81846857

>>81847009
you tell me anon.

p.s. reagans amnesty bill wouldn't have passed without broad democratic support.

p.p.s. given the current political climate do you think democrats would be protesting an amnesty bill?

stay ignorant anon

Finland is still cold so we need to accelerate climate change desu

>>81843901 (OP)
I dont deny it, I just dont care. I dont wanna make my life uncomfortable/expensive just because some muh climate change. Not my problem.

>>81843901 (OP)
>climate is changing
Yeah, always, for the entirety of geological history
>i can stop it by turning off my air conditioner
LOL

>>81843901 (OP)
The spinning molten iron center of the earth's core is slowly slowing down. Our atmosphere weakens due to this. Weakening atmosphere means we are heating up for good. It's pretty much over. I think Newton might have been right in his schizo calculation that God would end the world in 2060

>>81844284
right, they had accurate measurements all over australia in 1910
into the trash it goes

>>81846731
Irrelevant to anything being discussed in this thread. And you are lying. They get food and money and clothing shipped from around the world to provide for useless worthless creatures I would not even count as human. They live in the wealthiest continent on the entire planet. They should have more food than they could even distribute. So why are they getting food produced from somewhere over 1 mile from where they are? Because they are lazy, bad, and harmful to the planet. If we can't ship them diseases the least we could do is an embargo. Kill anyone trying to bring them food and clothing. They should be supporting their own population solely by their own population.

>>81844191
very retarded
look, if you are on a sinking ship, and 100 other people are using buckets to scoop more water to dump INSIDE the boat, then you trying to use a bucket to remove it is a waste of your fucking time entirely
if one guy removes 1 bucket of water everytime he adds 3000 buckets of water (this is china) then no "isn't something good" is obviously not good and it's fucking stupid to pretend otherwise.

here is the bottom line with "climate change" okay?
1. i will not accept lower quality of life by any metric or measure, i will not accept more government control, rationing, bans, or anything fucking else
2. i will not care about spending our countries money "doing something" until EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON EARTH is doing at LEAST what we are -ALREADY DOING- to the same value. there is zero point to disadvantaging yourself in the globohomo markets when you're the only one doing it and the impact it will have on the 'problem' is literally zero.
that means to solve it, you have to actually go to war with china, and india, and africa, and hold a nuke to their heads forever and continually force them to do it. because they will not otherwise.
nobody is willing to do that, so the discussion is already over.
and every single person that mentions climate change should be asked their opinion and financial relation to wind and solar energy. if they answer incorrectly, they should be banned from ever speaking with or funding climate issues ever again.

>>81848208
You libtards only hate solar because it's dirt cheap and benefits rural Whites, allowing us to live off grid. You want us dead, or at least shackled and easily controlled and easier to murder.

>>81848330
>you libtards
???
it doesn't allow you to live off grid, it -literally- still has to be connected to the power grid in 99% of all situations. it reduces your costs slightly, at the expense of having to pay through the nose to install and buy it in the first place, with a limited lifespan and no recyclability of the product, and mining and refining to create it caused just as much if not more pollution than if you'd just used fucking coal
know what would reduce your prices? nuclear. know what doesn't have a limited lifespan of only a few years? nuclear plants.
anyone talking about energy advocating for anything other than majority nuclear or geothermal - which we aren't capable of properly yet - is an unserious retard.
you cannot live "off grid" and still have electricity in the quantities you desire, its simply not fucking possible without being a billionaire. living off grid necessitates not having basic amenities like infinite power, infinite hot water.

>>81848694
You are a lying piece of shit.
>it doesn't allow you to live off grid, it -literally- still has to be connected to the power grid in 99% of all situations
Blatantly false. It allows you to live off the grid 100% of the time, and does not even connect to the grid at all. Boom, you are again proven to be a shit mouthed liar.
>it reduces your costs slightly, at the expense of having to pay through the nose to install and buy it in the first place, with a limited lifespan and no recyclability of the product, and mining and refining to create it caused just as much if not more pollution than if you'd just used fucking coal
Another lie. Costs are tremendously lower. It costs nothing to install(100% free) but time and negligible costs for some screws. Lifespan of panels is 50+ years(I'll probably be dead by then). Batteries can be maintained. Don't recycle, just use them and do maintenance or repairs as needed. How the fuck am I supposed use coal anyway? I don't live on a coal mine so how the fuck am I supposed to get coal? Sunshine just shines on its own without me doing anything. How the fuck am I supposed to burn coal for power? It's cheaper to spend millions on a coal plant than a few thousand to be set off grid OFF GRID for a lifetime? No, more lies as told by you.
>know what would reduce your prices? nuclear. know what doesn't have a limited lifespan of only a few years? nuclear plants.
OK sure, I guess coal plant is too cheap. Hey sir, please place an order for 100kg enriched uranium to my house. Also the rest of the stuff I need to build an off grid nuclear power plant that fits on my roof. Budget is a few thousand dollars.

>>81848694
>>81848899
>anyone talking about energy advocating for anything other than majority nuclear or geothermal - which we aren't capable of properly yet - is an unserious retard.
you cannot live "off grid" and still have electricity in the quantities you desire, its simply not fucking possible without being a billionaire. living off grid necessitates not having basic amenities like infinite power, infinite hot water.
OK, liar retard. Why would anyone want infinite power or infinite hot water for normal day to day operation of a typical house? I mean practically to live the way I currently do. I use a good bit less than 10 trillion gallons of hot water per day, and while I do have ceiling lights in my house, I have reduced my energy consumption to well under a trillion gigawatts.
A 5kw solar panel system is overkill for me, but some days in winter are a little cloudy or snowy so I sized it based on the least productive days. I have plenty of hot water because 500 gallons is a lot of propane. You are talking about more power usage than the entire galaxy uses. I'm talking about an off grid house. Two very different things. Definitely don't have to be a billionaire. Panels are a few hundred, inverter maybe $2k, batteries cost varies too much, but $5,000 is a generous amount.

>>81843901 (OP)
Americans cannot think outside of themselves. Climate change is a collective problem and this hurts their ideological framing that unrestrained selfishness won't have negative outcomes.

>>81843901 (OP)
because its fake and gay and the only people that try to shame others into believing it are the traitors that would willingly accept getting raped for eternity for a seat at the table and a pat on the head
And they demand that we do the same because, to them, dignity is offensive.

>>81847332
such a scenario is so far into our future that it is not even worth thinking about. using this as a reason to not address global warming is doomerism nonsense.

>>81843901 (OP)
Years of oil industry propaganda and edgy contrarians who think its cool to hold stupid opinions.

You literally have to be either retarded or a paid shill at this point to not see how self evidently real climate change is.

>>81844441
In which order would you do that with Trump, Putin and Xi?

>>81849779
>self evidently
The world doesn't work that way. When something about very massive or very miniscule systems makes sense to your human intuition, it's because someone is pushing a narrative. Humans do not naturally evaluate things on that scale. The behaviors of particles and planets are not intuitive. It's not self-evident, you've just heard this narrative so many times that you accept it without evaluation.

>>81849814
Okay but better question:
Fuck, marry, kill?

>>81843901 (OP)
The climate has been changing constantly for millions of years anon. Like any decent person I am against deforestation, against the line we have crossed with nature and building shit everywhere, against pollution, against sea pollution, against microplastics in everything. However, and I did a lot of my own reading to 'DYOR', there isn't really much of a consensus on CO2 being the climat change driver. And YET, politicians, almost unanimously, ONLY talk about CO2, and none of the other pollution and deforestation and extinctions we're all doing, which are much worse than CO2. Why? Because there is huge money in the CO2 talk.

>>81845593
The solution is pointing guns at people who wont stop polluting.

>why do people not want to pay 100% taxes and have infinite brownoid immigration because the weather changed a little even though precisely zero (0) of the doomsday predictions about underwater cities by 2016 or whatever came true

>>81844103
gas powered cars explode at higher rates than any EV with QC - just dont get a cybertruck or some random chinese car idiot

>>81843901 (OP)
Something like climate change is really hard to prove given how complex the Earth is. The Earth has gone through many different climate cycles in the past and could be going through one now. This doesn't mean humans aren't contributing but it also doesn't mean we can do much about it. The main issue with climate change policy is that it focuses on one metric at the cost of others. All they care about is CO2 and push objectively worse technology that causes more overall harm and/or handicaps their nation. A good example is wind power, ignoring the issues with birds and whales, wind turbines have a relatively low lifespan. They need replaced frequently which means more waste, they're also worse than something like nucleara which takes up significantly less space and produces very little waste. I am all for striving to make more efficient/cleaner powerplants/cars/etc but they should be a better alternative in other metrics besides CO2. To me, the fact that climate activists aren't pushing to have a Manhatten/Apollo style project for the creation of a fusion reactor is clear evidence current climate policy is nothing but a scam and/or a conspiracy to encourage a country to self handicap.

>>81849997
If it was as bad as they tell us, there would have been wars about this, twenty years ago.
Men would have marched into the countries who contribute the most pollution, and would have forced them to shut down factories, and stop dumping shit in the ocean.
All aid to the third world would have been stopped on the basis that there are simply too many people.
At least one big oil CEO would have come out and said "look bros, we need a planet to live on. I have kids too...".

The fact that none of that happened is incredibly peculiar.
The fact that solutions that clearly don't help (but do make money for someone) keep getting pushed is incredibly peculiar.
The fact that, for example, the Green party in my country is actually onboard with cutting down more trees to build more houses (and no one is seriously suggesting that maybe we need to stop inviting people into the country) is incredibly peculiar.

What am I supposed to think? They behave as if it isn't real.

>>81846770
Hey can you remind me. Which president is responsible for the Environmental Protection Agency? I am pretty sure he was a republican