Living in a walkable city instead of a suburban hellscape would cure my shit life

>>81846241 (OP)
I am also sick of having to drive past nonstop highways, suburbs, and chain restaurants

eats away at my fucking soul man

Here's the extreme example.

>>81846241 (OP)
This reminds me of counter strike

>>81846241 (OP)
Where is all the cheap labor gonna live?

>>81846241 (OP)
i do not want to live in cs_italy

>>81846241 (OP)
I would've liked to live in a walkable city 30 years ago when walkable cities were still 90% white. Idk about now.

>>81846241 (OP)
>Rothenburg full of chinese tourists

>>81846334
reminds me of attack on titan

>>81846278
Its not feasible to build huge metropolises all over the USA when most of it is empty land.

If you dont want a suburb, move to LA, New York, Chicago, or some other similar city. You have a choice to do that.

>>81846778
>If you dont want a suburb, move to LA, New York, Chicago, or some other similar city. You have a choice to do that.
why is living in a walkable city 100x more affordable in Europe than it is in america?

>>81846782
Its not though you fucking retard. The housing crisis is even worse in Europe for one example.

You're pretending that if only you lived in a walkable city you'd have some glamorous life where you have your own apartment and could randomly meet girls at cool and interesting hipster events and take them home.

I may be projecting but I think you're just fantasizing. If you can't strike up a conversation with a girl at the local super market, living in a walk able city won't fix that. Its not going to suddenly make you a social butterfly. Like-wise, I'm sure you're local town has tons of events and activities and you likely scoff at them as lame. A garlic festival? Boring. A sound meditation meet up? What am I a 40 year old white woman? A modern country folk music concert? Too expensive and folk music is gay.

Be honest, you're life is shit because you're shit and no change in your environment is going to fundamentally fix the way you operate in life nor would it have.

>>81846782
>>81846866
I forgot to mention work as well. Do you have a job? When is the last time you even filled out an application. You think that in Europe people just sit around on a bench all day until an employer approaches them like its some kind of yakuza game? Get fucking real.

europe will be now known as fairy tale world

>>81846241 (OP)
No you dont. They are immigrant filled shithole with extremely high prices, no young people and nothing going on
>>81846866
Those events dont even exist in 99% of towns

>>81846278
Still mogs anywhere on shitrope.
Most people would die to live in america instead of *urope

>>81846885
Those events do exist in towns/locations, you just haven't even bothered looking for them.

Oh but yeah, the only thing standing in your way from meeting a perfect 10/10 gf and love of your life is a 10 mile stretch of high way to the nearest population center which is apparently an impossible feat to overcome for life long happiness.

>>81846866
>>81846881
who are you talking to you fucking retard?

>>81846914
OP. Pretty obvious.

All cities suck
I need to live in the forest.

>>81846515
we're going to reinvent white urbanism in the US, mark it. it just takes some political will.

>>81846511

No you don't.
Walkable towns and any old town in general are piles of trash. It's is constantly loud, there is little to no space for greenery and walkable spaces attract the worst kind of poor junkies. There are constant police calls and someone screaming all night long on drugs, it's a criminal hotspot. It is also a fucking brewing pit of disease and bad, 500 year, sewage systems that cant be changed because digging on heritage sites is forbidden.

>>81846241 (OP)
When I visited Europe it was really refreshing. I feel I wouldn't be an incel if I had grown up there, because there were so many opportunities to meet women. In America, you just drive everywhere and everything is made for rich boomers anyways.

i live in a place like this. I'm still here though

>>81846241 (OP)
walkable cities be like
>bomb has been planted
>terrorists win
>bomb has been planted
>terrorists win
>bomb has been planted
>terrorists win
>bomb has been planted
>terrorists win

>>81846909
I live in a 30k muh walkable city, the capital of my province. Theres no event whatsoever. Theres like one small town event in may with old people and thats it
>meeting a perfect 10/10 gf and love of your life
>implying any women below 50 lives in smaller towns
Trolling or delusional?

>>81846990
>there were so many opportunities to meet women.
Idk where you went but thats impossible to meet women here. As a matter of fact its much easier to meet women in the US and women actually answer when you taok to them.

>>81846990
I grew up and live in euro capital city, that city never sleeps at night. I've never been in nightclub in my life.

>>81847029
Had chuckle.

>>81846241 (OP)
You forgot to bitch about the stroads.
I don't give a shit about walkable cities because I can't afford to go anywhere or do anything except sit at home and rot.

>>81847036
>>81847040
I feel like if you're an incel in Europe, you must be extremely neurodivergent, but an incel in the US could just be a failed normie. Maybe I'm wrong, but everyone is closer in proximity in Europe, so I think it would be easy to stumble in conversations and stuff.

>>81847074
no it is way more similiar than you think to live in europe.

>>81847074
>everything is closer
But theres no young people anywhere, everyone is poor af, everything is expensive af, theres no future, no jobs etc
>would be easy to stumble in conversations and stuff
No because small talk arent on our culture. Youre not supposed to talk to or stare at, women in public, thats creepy

>>81847074
Also unless you live in a megacity you absolutely need a car

>>81847091
>No because small talk arent on our culture. Youre not supposed to talk to or stare at, women in public, thats creepy
depends on the country.
if you go anywhere in the mediterrenean eveyerone will be shouting at each other but for other places it is true

>>81846782
It categorically isn't, the typical examples are some of the most expensive cities in the world.
I blame NotJustBikes for convincing everyone it's super easy while conveniently not ever bringing up that Amsterdam is among the 10 most expensive cities in the world in every other ranking.
As always, the solution to all problems :
>just be rich bro

>>81847090
There were hardly any fat people and things seemed pretty civilized.
>>81847091
Can I ask where you're from? I guess what you say about jobs and stuff is true. I probably make 3-4 times the average income of the people I met in Europe, but they seemed pretty happy.
>>81847105
I like that in Europe though you can drive a shitty little hatchback and be normal. In America everyone has a big ass truck or suv and you get looked down on if your car is small. It's fucked up.

>>81847141
>not ever bringing up that Amsterdam is among the 10 most expensive cities in the world in every other ranking.
guess which city isn't though, tokyo. urbanism haters have NO response.

>>81847126
I studied in the south on france so on the med and youre absolutely not supposed to talk to women in the street.
That was even a feminist slogan here

>>81847145
>There were hardly any fat people and things seemed pretty civilized.
thats what i'm saying. everyone keeps saying its so different because people are fat, streets aren't walkable, cars and all that stuff.
If you put it in scale theres no big difference really. most of the world is more similar than you think and having one country being car dependant and the other not doesn't really make all that much of a difference. There are way more different countries inside europe than your idea of europe that you compare to america

>>81847145
france. Americans are definitely happier and everyone here wants to move to either america, canada or australia.
>you can drive a shitty little hatchback and be normal.
No, people will comment ok it even at your job, youre supposed to have a fancy suv. Difference is, our cars and fuel cost almost twice of what they cost you and we barely make a third of what you make
Also women watch american tiktoks and expect a giant house and 150k euros/year

>>81847169
france fucking sucks anyways. all of europe is just finishing going over the woke phase and some eastern countries are still fighting it

>>81847179
>having one country being car dependant and the other not doesn't really make all that much of a difference
It does though. So many different daily choices are made based on that distinction, that it's like two different ways of life. Europeans I think also have thicker skin (as opposed to thicker bodies) because life isn't just a big comfort blanket like it is for Americans, and when they get that blanket taken away (such as having to walk) they get very emotional. Those are just my observations.

>>81847162
But anon, Tokyo routinely makes the top 20 too.
It just makes it less often now not because it's gotten cheaper but because towns like Singapore and the californian cities aside from LA have exploded in costs.
That said
>make registration of a car conditional to having access to a dedicated parking spot at your residence
>urban car ownership drops like a rock
It do be makin u thonk

>>81847031
Name the town faggot.
>implying any girl under 50 exists anywhere in our boomer hell hole of declining populations

>>81847197
>Also women watch american tiktoks and expect a giant house and 150k euros/year
Damn, that's extremely retarded.

>>81847208
i wonder if americans think europeans just walk to work like nothing, even if it is kilometers away.
I'm unemployed so i'm not an expert on this but we definitely also have alterations based on that. Some people will use the car and those that don't have a car will take a public transport, which if you take for work will be absolutely loaded with people kinda like those indian video you see online. I'm most familiar with south italy and england but thats how it works most of the time i think

>>81847162
And yet Tokyo is not the paradise fantasy walk able city you make it out to be. You complain about suburbs but tokyo is full of giant suburbs with the only difference being train stations run through them.

Again, you really think YOU, who can't even strike up a conversation with a co-worker or a American slut at the local park would be some kind of hot shot player in a walk able city?

>>81847235
The point is that it's an option. In America it is hardly an option and usually full of undesirables instead of working people. I saw plenty of normal people commuting by train or subway. Things also seemed pretty well taken care of.

>>81847208
Sporty euros bike to work not walk that would take forever, do you think we all work in the same neighbourhood we live in?

>>81847219
Arel, the population increased a lot in the last couple of years.
>bro just move to a small town bro its le trad bro
>what do you mean theres no women

>>81847247
>its an option
Its not unless you live in a capital city. Everyone just drives

>>81847208
>European have thick skin
>they don't have security blankets like Americans
what? Are you just delusional? Is this just your way of coping? Convincing yourself that somewhere on earth is this great magical land of endless opportunity?

Well you should probably move there. If the only thing thats actually stopping you from happiness is location then move. Do whatever it takes, its your life we are talking about

>>81847203
Its the shittiest country in europe but the rest of the continent isnt far behind.
Its not like i can escape anyway since its impossible to emigrate as a white man

>>81847247
an option? taking a car is objectrively the best way to go to work here too. if you don't have a car you have a scooter (yes south italy) or you go with public transport, which is just worse.
Americans just have it better on these terms if you really want to compare it. If you really want to have other options you still wouldn't take it and use your cars because it's the most convenient way

>>81847261
>Arel
no results, can you be a bit more specific. What state.

>>81847259
Yeah, that's also another benefit. I was generalizing of course. America specifically spaces things out so that even biking is a fucking hassle, plus having to cross literal highways even to get somewhere.

>>81847281
https://lb.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arel
Here you go

>>81847247
Public transport during peak times, 7:30, 16:30 is mostly normal people, otherwise it can be a bit funny

>>81847273
>is this great magical land of endless opportunity?
No, that's the point. People should live poor and close together and stop being a bunch of fat idiots.

>>81847279
Well, yeah anyone would think taking the car is the best option, but public transportation is also an option for a lot of people (outside of cities being excluded here) .

>>81847282
Isnt that mostly a function of americans being able to afford huge houses, which causes low density, i think americans castly underestimate the wealth difference, most euros would have economic problems heating a 200m2 house

>>81847304
it's insane that americans will complain about having too much land. Oh look i have a two stories house, a garden, but i'll complain i have to drive instead of being ammassed with indians in a train buh uh.
every day i hate americans more and more

>>81847225
Yeah despite the median wage beibg 25k a year. They all want an american lifestyle and despise french people

>>81847303
anon i just told you no one wants to take public transportation its ammassed, smelly and it sucks. it is convinient when you take it outside of work hours but let's be honest a vehilce is still the more convenient choice. i think you americans also forget that tickets cost

>>81847304
Urban planning after WW2 was designed to create a car centric society. It is not controversial to say that. However, Americans do enjoy having bigger houses and they are cheap to build and cheaper, relative to Europeans, to heat. But I don't think this was a natural development. The suburbs before WW2 were a lot closer together and had to be since they existed before automobiles.

>>81847246
It's way better than the US in that regard, and most Japanese cities are similarly walkable (and a fair bit cheaper than Tokyo desu)
besides, having a train station run through your suburb is really nice

>>81847312
Well, hook me up bro. I'm American and gross over $110k/yr. Still feel poor though...

>>81847287
This is very difficult as I don't speak frog but from what I can gather after a quick search and also realizing that in English we call it Arlon not Arel is that you do in fact have festivals.

You even have roman reenactments
https://visitarlon.be/en/decouvrir/folklore-evenements/

>>81847327
What i meant to say is that americans should stop whining, since 2008 you have enjoyed all the economic growth in the developed world while all your stupid foreign policy impacts europe way more than it impacts you. You are a fat cat complaining that you dont get tuna every day

>>81847345
Have you tried looking over your expenses, eating in food courts, owning big vehicles

>>81847333
>I have literally no fucking idea what I'm talking about but I will continue to delude myself into believing every first world country outside of America is a paradise

Also no, especially smaller towns Japan is car reliant. They make the best cars too.

>besides, having a train station run through your suburb is really nice
No its not. Its annoying and loud.

>>81847357
its the same shit like with japan. seems like the perfect land until you live in it

>>81847363
Nah, I'm frugal. I save a lot of my money instead of spending, but most people just spend and get in a lot of debt and live a rich lifestyle. That's why I feel poor.

>>81847357
Listen I agree with you. I am a bit of a self hating American.

>>81847380
You aren't poor if you save a lot of money, retard. Thats not what poor means

>>81846241 (OP)
>bhoppable cities

>>81847386
You're self hating. Being American has nothing to do with it. This is just a super pathetic attempt to distance yourself from your own hatred. Its peak delusion and the reason you're sad and pathetic.

>>81847394
Well yeah, but flexing my bank account doesn't hit the same as showing off a massive house made of plywood or a new suv. Wealth is just a style to most people.

>>81847386
America even gets female immigrants and immigrants who aren't allergic to manual labour

>>81847399
No, I like myself and my hobbies and stuff. I just don't like America or what it stands for. You can't just psychoanalyze everything. Some people are motivated by idealism.

>>81847287
>Arlon
O fugg another Lux-borderlander on MY /r9k/?
French-side here

>>81847353
Noone goes to those. Especially not muh non existent 10/10 waifu. As i told you there is only one event per year in may and thats it.
Also theres no young people ever, no event, no activity, nothing. People just work and sleep

>>81847413
Moien.
U in Fionville?

>>81847327
>i don't think this was a natural development
I'd argue against that. The reality is that men want to live as small kings in their small fiefdom. The only reason we didn't live in suburbs in the past is the lack of accessibility to it. Suburbia wasn't some grand scheme pushed onto Americans. No, people who lived in the city wanted to move out of the city and raise their family in green pastures and with the invention of cars they could easily do it. Gone are the days of living in your workshop or in the housing unit of the factory you work at.

Again, this is 100% natural. Its no different than trains making the western united States more populated. Before trains nobody wanted to trek out there, after mass transport everyone wanted to go to the west coast. Its not that its unnatural for people to live in the west coast, its just that previously it wasn't convenient or possible on such large scale.

>>81847403
Thats true pretty much wherever on earth you are, somewhat related but ive heard that americans have easy access to credit, how much does one have access to, can you buy a new car with just your credit card for example

>>81847409
Then leave.
What are your hobbies. Be honest. Now tell me why you think you could meet a girl as a rando in Paris as opposed to being in a hobby group/setting?

>>81847427
Moien~
Not right now because I'm at werk.
>too poor for a villa in Hettange
>too poor for a good appartment in Metz
Well, TH it is then.
The riverside bike paths are great at least.

>>81847436
Nta but theres no girl in hobby groups/settings

>>81847443
do you think that in europe we make a weekly reunion for our city and all sit on a circle

>>81847421
>Noone goes to those
>Also theres no young people ever,
see>>81846866
The events exist, you just come up with excuses to not attend them. The point being that OP would do the same. He'd still be an incel. If you moved to America you'd do the same, find a million excuses to why going to local events and social gatherings is a waste of time.

If you're honest with yourself you'd realize they're not, even if not every single event in your city is exclusively attended by 10/10 18 year olds.

>>81847443
Incorrect. There are no girls in male hobby groups. Take an art class at a community college.

>>81847436
I like hiking, fishing, going to concerts, also gaming but not obsessively, reading, shit like that. As to your question, apparently I just show that I'm an American with an ok income and that's what the French women want.

>>81846334
Kek, thought exactly the same thing. Its been a really long time since i quitted csgo and i thought it was a map remake

>>81847455
>do you think that in europe we make a weekly reunion for our city and all sit on a circle
Yes.

>>81847374
I said cities, not smaller towns, anon.
there are places that no one outside of Japan has heard of with a better public transit network than even somewhere like Boston, and any major city mogs the heck out of the US ones in that regard
t. lived in multiple core cities/chuukakushi

>>81847462
>I like hiking, fishing, going to concerts, also gaming but not obsessively, reading, shit like that
translation:
>I go on the occasional day hike
>I like the idea of being a fisher
>I mostly spend my time gaming and consuming media

French women, especially Parisians generally hate Americans far more than you do. And no, you're not going to be accepted like an uncle Tom just because you also hate America.

>>81847457
>you just come up with excuses to not attend them.
Ive attended those once and i cant bothered to do it again. As i said no young people attend those, same with muh church or muh hobby clubs.
>you moved to America you'd do the same
I was in the us for 5 months and not it was not the same at all because in america people reply when you talk to them. Also small talk is allowed and even encouraged
>to local events and social gatherings is a waste of time.
Explain to me what good there is to watse what little free time i have let to stand in the rain with 10 old peopleyoure delusional if you think city events are full of le trad 10/10 village gf whose just dying to talk to you.

>>81847482
Nta but have similar hobbies. I hike 30 to 40km a day every weekend, i go camping twice a month and fishing whenever i can fish without getting caught.
>french women hate americans
Incorrect, its the opposie, same with brits

>>81846778
>huge metropolises
But you could start by building actual villages instead of scattered roadside housing.

>>81847459
Dance classes where I live are male only kek

>>81847485
Where did I say city events are full of hot girls? City events are full of people. Maybe you should try to be more social and involved in your community. Those old people may have hot daughters or young men you can befriend.

America is no different in terms of age disparity btw. The vast majority of people, especially of my own race are old boomers.

>>81847441
Same on the be side. I cant afford a house in attert, maybe if i wageslave for 5 to 7 more years i can pay for a flat in bastogne

>>81847482
Anyways, I was joking about the French women. My idea would be that I would have been better off being raised as a European. I think the American way of life has fucked me in some ways as well. I work a lot, so that's why my hobbies are kinda shite. But I don't like the idea of doing some shit like woodworking or something. I can do that if I retire or something.

>>81847509
>I think the American way of life has fucked me in some ways as well.
As I've already explained this is a hard cope.

>>81847497
>City events are full of people.
Nope theyre either empty of have a couple of very old people attending
>Maybe you should try to be more social and involved in your community.
Theres no community here. Its just a dorm for cross border workers
>Those old people may have hot daughters or young men you can befriend.
They dont. They are probably all from the retirement home in the city centre.
And i am not going to be a jester for a bunch of 70 year old men in the hope that they would present me to their nonexistent daughters

>>81847501
With the difference in wages, it's more realistic to get some real-estate long term but rental is kinda fucked in all the borderlands, ye.
>unironically considering a houseboat on the Moselle now

>>81847497
Europe is more than 5 years older on average and the youth are very immigrant heavy

>>81846866
>The housing crisis is even worse in Europe for one example.
No, it isn't. If it was I'd already be a fucking multi-millionaire, but here I am going to work every day like the poor-ass wagie I am.

>If you can't strike up a conversation with a girl at the local super market
Who talks to people at the supermarket?
Try a cafe.

>you're life is shit because you're shit
that definitely sounds like your problem, yes.

>no change in your environment is going to fundamentally fix the way you operate in life
It literally does, though. It's the easiest way to make a change happen.

>>81846782
Because Europe builds lots and lots of housing that people actually need.

>>81847145
>I probably make 3-4 times the average income of the people I met in Europe
you don't actually

>>81847525
>No, it isn't.
It objectively is.
>inb4 hur dur I can buy a whole house in this town population 5 people for the same price as a NYC closet
>who talks to people in a supermarket
Normal people

>it literally does
It literally doesn't. I'm living proof.

>>81847545
I never talk to people in supermarkets, nor do I hear others doing so unless they know each other beforehand
There are a lot of good things about urban life but I think you're underestimating how anonymous the city can be

>>81847514
You know, I don't like the fact that I am not allowed to be critical of America simply due to material advantages.

>>81847531
It's true though. Actually might be less because the dollar went down since I was there.

>>81847559
>never talk to people in supermarkets
Precisely, maybe you should try. Its amazing how you keep missing the point entirely
>>81847560
You weren't critical of America, you were critical of "car cities" which is gay faggot bullshit. This is the crux of the problem and my entire point. You're not criticizing America or even car centered cities, you're merely glorifying Europe and walkable cities as this utopia that America should emulate because it would make your life paradise. All of this without any self reflection or real thought.

>>81847559
>>81847560
Or to put it another way
>wow guys, if I just had a job that pays 100k I'd have a gf, a house, children and be a perfectly normal happy member of society! it would solve literally all of my problems from my social anxiety to my fear of spiders.

>>81847522
Yeah idk where to go from now. I am trying to land a job in the netherlands or the baltics, at least i can afford a home in the latter

>>81847579
>because it would make your life paradise.
I never said that, I just think it is partly a healthier and more social way of living, at least in those areas that have it like cities. I think it would benefit a lot of people, not just myself. You can think about things in a socially minded way without it being a projection of your personal desires and emotions. Like I'd still probably drive a car if I lived in such a place anyways.

>>81847594
You could put it that way, yes.

>>81847603
All I'm thinking of is the qt ICBC grills in the train making my yellow fever worse.

>>81846241 (OP)
Living in a cabin innawood would cure mine.

>>81847579
>this utopia that America should emulate because it would make your life paradise
You do know that America was like that about 100 years ago, right?

>>81846241 (OP)
Yeah im sure you being able to walk to a kebab stand and get intestinal parasites and food poisoning from meat thats been out all day will cure your depression. Easy access to more slop will fix all your problems

>>81846241 (OP)
Why does everyone get a huge boner for that exact city. It's now full of tourists, the old city is pretty small and outside of the old city walls it just looks like your avg smaller german city

>>81848189
Stop living in the ghetto like a poorfag

>>81846241 (OP)
they are not really fun to go around in if you've lived in them for years and have no one to go out with

>>81847621
Luckily i dont interact with any of them since all our trains are pretty empty save for the 6 oclock one

>>81849024
I'm at the peak rush hours in and out so I get to see a bunch of them
>UNLESS ALL TRAINS BETWEEN LUXEMBOURG AND BETTEMBOURG ARE CANCELLED LOL LMAO HAHAAHAH FUCK

>>81846319
Pretty dumb post a single block would accommodate everyone on the island leaving it unspoiled

>>81849154
We must densitymaxx

>>81849070
No way ahah that never happens amirite.
At least the l60 are plenty, theres like a bus per hour going to arlon when the trains are cut

>>81846241 (OP)
Based and notjustbikes -pilled

Americans have no idea how good human focused townplanning can be for the human soul

>>81849070
remind me never to browse 4chan in a luxembourgish train again fuck

>>81850445
Annoying part is that they cut the amount of trains to Metz/Nancy so even if you get a bus quickly, you're bottlenecked because there's only one train every 40 minutes or so. At rush hour.
And it's not the first time they do it this calendar year. To say nothing about last year when we had over a month without any train even crossing the border.
>mfw riding a packed bus for an hour in the middle of a heat wave

>>81847062
How much does a used bike cost, you can find a decent working one for 80 euros here

>>81850504
Bought mine for 30 european rubles (plus 15 for a front basket I don't really use)

>>81850498
i feel bad of you borderanons, i always wonder if it's really worth it to work here despite the very long commutes

>>81850528
I'm more of a motorbike enjoyer, but nickle and chrome plating makes anything sexy. Love the bike Anon

>>81846241 (OP)
>Living in a walkable city instead of a suburban hellscape would cure my shit life

It wouldn't.

t. Yuropoor

Although I can accept it might alleviate the problem.
I mean it's nicer to be at home and think "Let me go take a 10 minute walk to the supermarket." than "Let me drive 30 minutes to the supermarket"; but the fundamental problem remains: YOU.
You will be miserable no matter where you are. Just like guys in walkable cities think their shit life would be cured if they went live in some rural place. We always think somewhere else will make us less miserable, we never ponder if, maybe, we are just miserable by nature. We are.

>>81850498
Yeah bit at least you have trains more regularly and your commute is shorter.
Mine is a bit longer since i take the ones that stop around

>>81847141
Thats bullshit, with your logic lets just destroy everything, bomb our own buildings, live in ruins, then everything will be super cheap even.

Nothing in natural walkable townplanning in itself denotes expensiveness, human scaled walkable townplanning just have to do with traffic manegement, social interactivity focus, spatial relations/geometry etc.. its says nothing that buildings have to be of that expensive material or something. Moreover, suburbia is a ponzi lie that is bleeding money, not economically good. Poor people wanting to get up on their feet have to get a car to interact in society to get to a job interview and to the store to buy the basics.

You can build and have an entire country with this blueprint, that doesnt mean that the random town of 250k or the random small town nr.157 of 25k population will be expensive as the metropolitan capital of a country because its build nice and walkable too.

human scaled walkable townplanning is just natural law and doesnt care about time and place, its the right thing.

NotJustBikes is literally a saint that has come down to expell every fucking amercan COPE. I think i never heard a bad take from him when it comes to townplanning.

Dont mutherfucking get me started on the the idea of loitering, that is an anti-human concept. You should be free to interct with your physical enviroment, you should just be able to chillax in it and take it in. This also brings up the idea of 3rd places (place that is not home or work that you can spend time, ex. Parks and cafes) and Americas destruction of them. The entire town core should (and is in many other places than America) a third place.

>>81850577
Honestly when the train is running okay it's absolutely worth it.
I bike to the station and ride the train, if all goes well I'm commuting for 40 minutes or so which is less than plenty of folks I know in Paris or Lyon. Except I live with twice the surface for two thirds of the price.
Only downside is luxembourgish NIMBYism causing road and railworks to block all traffic a "quick" construction time as opposed to a very long construction with planned smaller traffic changes and more time spent dealing with construction engines and noise.
>the same projects of building a bridge over the tracks caused three months without any rail traffic in Bettembourg against zero rail disruption in Thionville

>>81846241 (OP)
What, you dont like having to drive 30 minutes to do anything and spending your entire life inside a little isolated box, completely detached from your fellow man?

>>81850706
And also all the cities at the border are meh at best save for trier

American towns look like motherboards, nothing for humans, but for robots

>>81850697
My point was :
>it takes a whole lot of money to conduct huge urban reconstruction/replanning projects
>Amsterdam could do it because it was and still is a rich city
Another problem with wanking so specifically over the Netherlands is that it's small and densely populated which means rail is always going to be attractive. You just need to look at France and Germany to see that scaling up brings a lotof hardships, which can be overcome, but it's something to keep in mind instead of just going "every place should take the netherlands as an example" which just isn't realistic because no other place is that small, dense, rich and flat. It was just the perfect storm for these transportation projects and can't be replicated elsewhere because any other place will have more hills and mountains, will be larger, will have more spread out cities or just won't have the budget.

None of that excuses how bad transit is in the big american corridors though. At this point it's just political unwillingness (and lovely little christmas presents from auto industy lobbyists)

>>81850723
Metz is breddy guud. And if you really want to go in the big city, Paris and Brussels aren't THAT hard to reach, you wouldn't do the commute though, that cannot ever make sense.
We don't talk about Saarbrucke though. This place is cursed.

>>81850777
Metz is indeed quite far to commute from although i had a colleague commute from epinal.
Trains tickets to paris are super expensive though and going to brussels is going to take you a loooooong time

>>81850632
Being able to walk 10 minutes to get to literally anything sounds so fucking good to me, man. I dont think people are miserable by nature. We are stupid animals by nature and we have put ourselves in cages and removed any sort of normal connection to the world around us. It is not the same when you have to go out of your way to take a walk or something compared to it being integrated into your life. But I also live in an especially tiny shithole so who knows

>>81850809
Bruh I see people commute from Metz daily.
Some even from Nancy.
It's insane.
Well at least it's all good for me. Only way to make it faster would be going to Hettange but that's no town for renting wagies like me
>just move into LUX bro
>it barely shortens your commute because the only places you can afford won't be on stations that get to Lux-Ville il less than 20 minutes bro
>and you'll at best be able to afford a single-room if not a coliving bro
>if they don't refuse your applications because you're a single man over 30 bro
>and don't forget to repaint the walls when you leave bro
Thanks, I'm good

>>81850706
Does the train ever actually run smoothly? I usually only use it within Luxembourg, and it always frustrates me because it's nearly as unreliable as the DB.
And the roadworks are always a complete mess here
>>81850723
Ah I understand it must be pretty boring if you want to go out a lot. I love it here though but I guess I'm biased
Vianden is my favorite city by far

>>81850756
Yt search: notjustbikes suburbia. You will find the economcal realities of urban sprawl.

You HAVE TO HAVE HAVE TO take the hit, take the hit and remove the bandaid and actually have your cities be good and built good and i think youd be surprised how many thing would even involve much building or destroying.. but by will, plans, laws and policies. Start there.

The holy grail would be to get bi-partisan poltical support for human townplanning, thought the amount of cuckservatard boomer fatsos that give the republicans votes that reactionarily are like "muh manly Ford-150 vroom vroom commies hate that" would be a problem. Shame that only disgusting baseddrinking libtards are even slightly slightly looking at human townplanning. That must change, rightwingers must become pro walkable towns in America.

>>81850875
Would not even involve*

>>81850866
Honestly, considering the frequency and ridership of the Metz-Luxembourg line, it's INSANE that the SNCF manages to run it this well. Sure you get the odd 5-ish minutes delay because approaching Luxembourg puts you through three different funnels, but all things considered it's run very well.
Thinking of experiences on other lines, the amount and length of the delays are low. And full-on cancellations are rare. It's very annoying when it happens because it will snowball so when it does happen it's absolutely miserable, but it's not that common.
It's just Bettembourg specifically that has been causing a lot of shit for the last couple years because they're on a road renovation spree.
Even during strikes, the line remains viable. Which is no small feat when we're talking about the serial strikers at SNCF.

>>81850856
No most interns and spanish/italian junior wagies rent around the train station but its a shithole filled with all manners of drifters and crackheads
But yeah its pretty funny most young people refuse to spend any time commuting and would rather spend 1200 euros in renting a room in a house with 11 other people
>>81850866
The trains are okay except the ones to athus idk why theres always something there.
The buses though are a shithshow, the drivers are mad and can kick you put , yell at you, get lost and the drive like absolute garbage.
Except for the small van buses up north

>>81850875
I've been watching NJB for a while and I know exactly what videos you're thinking of (also Strong Towns covers it better imo)
And NJB stilldoesn't adress the issues, just - correctly and deservedly - points out that a lot of NA development is not financially viable mid and long term. That's not the same as trying to see how the enormous urban overhauls would be possible.

>>81850866
Go to clierf, wiltz, diekirch and echternach. Those are good too.
Also hike around the bourscheid castle and buy beer and ice cream there since its cheap af for no reason

>>81850875
Even among the left, it is basically only young left leaning people. Most right wing people basically think having towns outside of infinite roads and McDonalds is gommunism, but even older dems have that fuck-you-got-mine shit. And I dont even think it is good for anyone besides misers to have your property investment rise as your children are stuffed into a suffocating box for their entire lives. Shit sucks but idk how to convince anyone that making number go down might actually be a good thing in a long term.

I think this matter will only ever get worse in America

>>81850948
I'm not sure which I understand the least :
Eternal junior consultants in mass co-living who refuse to take the train (for free)
OR
Boomers who constantly complain about how difficult and expensive it is to park in town because they refuse to take the train (for free)

>>81850971
Like i said, the big issue would be bi partisan support, those very few rightwingers in america that are redpilled on townplanning must make their voices heard loud and flank the cuckservatard reactionary Ford-F150 lovers from the right and give them heat for being goy slave drones that love sitting in traffic stops on their local stroad to buy basic stuff.

>>81850856
is the pay worth it though? You lose so much time
The landlords here have insane demands too because everyone is so desperate. No pets, no single people, no noise, no damage in any kind of form even if it's just due to regular use. At least that's what I hear from family friends who rent them out lol Always makes me mad, but there's nothing keeping them in check
>>81850939
Yeah, that's true. I lived in Hesperange for a while so luckily I never had to pass through Bettembourg. It was always so crowded though
>>81850948
I hate the gare quartier, even just taking the train there in the evening or very early morning scares the crap out of me. Why would people move there, it's not worth it at all. It might save some time from your commute but cut your life short if you're unlucky
>>81850974
The area around Bourscheid castle is so nice, I love it there. I've never tried the ice cream there or been to Clierf or Wiltz though.
Do you just walk around the town?

>>81851069
>is the pay worth it though
For me, yes.
Thionville can't actually get too stupidly expensive and demanding because there's still some people here working in Metz and making a lot less that the border-hoppers. And because you have Yutz nearby which is a shithole.
I pay 850e/month for 80 square meter and a 40 minutes commute, and my wage is really high for France. I honestly have it good all things considered. Plus, a good part of that commute is cycling, which I enjoy~
>still no gf
>no local f
>tfw

Just got into the L90.
Beurette with a nice ass just sat next to me.
Oh no

>>81851010
Maybe it might even be that we cant expect much from the left in this and that the right and more precisly the non-materialist radical right and an increase of those ideas in the wider debate and in peoples minds must be the driving force for change.

It could be that these more tradionalist spiritual thoughts and values regarding townplanning could be made to win over elite people like that are ever so slightly leaning in that direction, people in the likes of Steve Bannon. Recite long twitter threads of Wrath of Gnon to these people over and over maybe kek ,but you get what i mean.

>>81851203
That's true, if your commute is enjoyable it's not really a waste of time :)
Don't worry anon I'm sure you'll find a gf in time, though honestly I have no idea what the daring scene is like for foreigners
>>81851256
just be careful browsing r9k in public anon, don't open any of those cuck bait threads by accident

>>81851316
*dating ofc

>>81851316
I a3rived there a couple years ago and I honestly haven't tried anything yet because I wasn't sure my gig would become long-term. Turns out it has so eh, I'll try finding some /tg/, /a/ or /n/ buddies.
Doesn't seem like the worst place to have yellow fever in either with all the chinese girls here. You never know. I just need to figure out what the right beer spots are I guess idk I'm autistic enough to browse /r9k/ so clearly I'm not exactly a social butterfly.
>the portuguese bus driver has Fun Radio on
Reeeeeeee

i can agree american cities/infrastructure is complete dogshit and needs to be designed for humans not cars but if my destination is more than 4.5 miles away, fuck you im driving
also i'd rather drive in my own little shitbox than ride in a bigger shitbix filled with 30 other shitter people

>>81851378
What exactly are you into? Card games, board games, dnd?
From what you're saying you seem pretty well adjusted for a robot though
How bad is your yellow fever? You keep mentioning Chinese girls but I never see any unless I'm in a restaurant! I'm jealous

>>81851267
I feel you in that this would be an issue for the right if it was not shit. I think that if the left was less shit, it would be a bigger issue for them than it is now. I am pessemistic about either doing anything meaningful about this though, because at the end of the day, most of this needs to begin at a local level. And at the local level, politics is controlled entirely by old fucks for various reasons and old fucks are old regardless of their party.

>>81851519
I've put most of my hobbies on hold because I have had a really bad pass for several years. Unemployment, mom's basement, hopelessness, NEETdom until I got back into some training and turned everything around. But that just shot all my social contacts and hobbies other than endlessly playing some vidya and watching stuff. I haven't done anything /tg/ in years, all I have is a stack of old MtG cards (and with the current state of the game I'm not sure I'd want to get into it unless some groups run cubes) and unfinished tabletop projects from my highschool days playing Anima with some long gone friends.
Yellow fever isn't THAT bad, I'm playing it up but it is a slight preference.
The french trains do have quite a few chinese working in the big banks on the Boulevard Royal, that kind of stuff. Most of them are girls in their late 20s or 30s so I'd assume the majority work here to get started and make some money and then either move into Luxembourg or go back to China. You know as they say : in Luxembourg you either stay 3 years or 30 years.

>>81851010
>idk how to convince anyone that making number go down might actually be a good thing in a long term.
America is so anarcho-capitalistic, that this will never ever happen. At least not this century.
China will eclipse America soon as well in every area, so naturally America's response will be to restrict their own citizens' rights to try and compete with China. Walkable cities will be the least of your worries.

>>81850168
NTA but he's right. One of the reasons to support denser development is precisely that it would leave more nature intact. Suburban sprawl destroys nature more rapidly because it spreads outwards more quickly. Ironically all the "rural is le based and trad" larps would benefit from cities becoming walkable since it means there would be more countryside for them to enjoy.

>>81850875
>>81850756
>>81850697
Walkable cities failed in europe

>>81846515
>>81846947
The north east is full of charming small historic cities that are majority white. They're really expensive through, for obvious reasons.

>>81851640
Ah I was wondering if you might have attended some MTG events because we could have run into each other then hah
I've never played cubes (only Pauper, Commander and Standard) but seeing the prices for the Final Fantasy stuff I can understand that now isn't a good time to get into it.
Have you rebuilt your social circle anon? Chinese girls are really cute, you should try picking one up
I haven't heard that before, then again I don't have a lot of contact with cross border workers in my private life. But it makes sense that most people leave pretty quickly

>>81846782
Chicago isn't actually that expensive for big city standards.

>>81851771
>Chicago
not a walkable city because theres niggers everywhere that will rob you

>>81847074
>I feel like if you're an incel in Europe, you must be extremely neurodivergent,
Nah, like everywhere else you just need to miss female attention and company during formative years (because reasons) and its over.

>but everyone is closer in proximity in Europe, so I think it would be easy to stumble in conversations and stuff.
You don't stumble and find randomly your dick in the woman's hands.
Close proximity means jack shit with large density. City living people have MUCH less chance to know their commie block neighbors than people from suburbia to know their suburban driveway neighbors.

>>81850740
It makes sense when you realize that the only reason you live in America is to make money and then retire in some low cost of living country in south America.

>>81851771
Is this exhibitionist apartment?

>>81851640
The girls at deloitte are also pretty cute.
Do you go to the afterworks?

>>81851782
It's really not like that, at least not the parts of Chicago you'll be on most of the time. All the gang violence happens in the hoods on the south side. If you're living on Lincoln Park you'll literally never have to deal with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_bcAHh9Vc

and yes i'm on to you, OP
>>81329949

>>81851760
>Ah I was wondering if you might have attended some MTG events because we could have run into each other then hah
>I've never played cubes (only Pauper, Commander and Standard) but seeing the prices for the Final Fantasy stuff I can understand that now isn't a good time to get into it.
My knowledge of MtG is horribly out of date, I tuned out ages ago. Ravinca is still fairly new in my head. Not Return to Ravnica. OG Ravnica.
One problem for events though is that I work saturdays and a lot fo stuff happens on saturdays. Oh well.
We might still unknowingly cross path as th Reservoir, who knows.
>Have you rebuilt your social circle anon?
Not at all but I want to make an effort towards it. I'm very bad at it but now that I know I'll be in the same place until I decide to leave, I can try and build something.
>Chinese girls are really cute, you should try picking one up
>implying I have any clue how to strike up a conversation in the train
all in good time
>But it makes sense that most people leave pretty quickly
It's something I've heard from various colleagues and clients. Plenty of people come to Lux to get their foot in the door, or enjoy the inflated salaries for a bit and then return home.
>>81851874
>Do you go to the afterworks?
No. Any pointers as to where to be and when? I am honestly clueless as to where to go for social life stuff here since my colleagues are much older (and either very local and therefore only socialize with other old local families, or portuguese and romanian and therefore only socialize with other portuguese and romanian people)

>>81851650
>China will eclipse America soon as well in every area,
Indeed.
Roles reversal.
American cucks soon would be riding bicycles, only thing they will afford.
Every Chinese would be driving obnoxious LED plastered SUVs they like so much.

>>81852090
That was way before my time, I'm pretty new to it
It's actually kind of scary to think I might be crossing paths with robots in the wild :)
the place I play at has events on tuesday thursday and friday too and it's always super busy
that must be a bit depressing if you're actually trying to date someone because you're forced to either commit to early or end it without truly giving the relationship a chance
also if you ever take you girl on a date in the city go to the Gudde Wellen terrace not the main one but the one overlooking the Grund, it's gorgeous

>>81852227
>that must be a bit depressing if you're actually trying to date someone because you're forced to either commit to early or end it without truly giving the relationship a chance
That's how I felt about trying to build friendships or anything like that when I was going through temporary short-term work and unemployment. It just kills your motivation to know that you'll have to start everything from scratch in two months.
But it's all behind me now, which is good. I can now get on with plans and start building something again.
>Gudde Wellen
noted
they'll have some event on for my birthday too, nice

>>81852637
Yeah that sounds tough, I'm glad you're past that
I think the terrace is actually called "gudde weather" or something, it's especially nice at night

>>81846241 (OP)
I'm moving to Pittsburgh near my relatives so it's close

>>81852667
>it's especially nice at night
Sucks I have to rely on the last trains and bus back to France, can't really enjoy the nightlife unless I get an airbnb so I can drink and crash out I guess

>>81851714
Idk G, i asked chat GPT and for 2015 it said that eu countries average was around 26 minutes refering to eurostat

>>81851460
>i'd rather drive in my own little shitbox than ride in a bigger shitbix filled with 30 other shitter people
As always, it's entirely a problem of demographics. Remove the 'shitter people', and suddenly using public transportation becomes no chore at all, perhaps even enjoyable. I can readily observe this effect taking the bus in my small town versus taking the bus in the next big city over. A chance to strike up conversations with good people you trust in a nice clean vehicle versus fearing for your possessions and life in a smeared and trashed deathtrap. Worlds apart. It all comes down to demographics.

https://youtu.be/r-TuGAHR78w?si=k0_IV_xnrOwWS4xl

>>81852787
ah that sucks, do you not have a car at all? i hate driving so i'm not judging

>>81852810
>implying it's even possible to park your car in town on a weekday
>implying drinking and driving

>>81851714
>Malta has no train
I guess it makes sense, it's a smaller island, they never built a trainyard.
>Ireland has no train
???

>>81852860
my friends and i always park on the glacis parking and walk into the city
but true, i don't drink alcohol myself and forgot lol sorry anon

>>81852984
You know what I just checked, the last bus is almost at midnight so it's all good. 22:30 on saturdays (might be subject to change because of the current construction work stopping trains in Bettembourg)

>>81853119
nice, so it is an option! are you planning on going alone anon?

>>81846241 (OP)
Living in the suburbs is great. I have a 3 acre yard and I can drive to every big box store you could imagine in 10 minutes or less. Crime is low, neighbors know each other by name and the cost per sqft is way way cheaper than the city proper. I lived in cities for 20 years and the only benefits are proximity to office jobs and proximity to nightlife. YGYPP

>>81852090
Same, i only have a couple of acquaintances so even when i go to afterworks i end up going alone and shitpost there.
I usually go to either shamrock or infinity

>>81853434
do you never go to the area around krautmarkt where the royal palais is? i feel like that's where all my single friends go

>>81846990
>because there were so many opportunities to meet women
Literally where?
I have nowhere to meet anyone but boomers outside school

>>81853528
Nome never been i heard that theres an expat meeting place that used to be pretty big back then idk if its still a thing

>>81852804
you can make the country 100% white im still not riding public transport, fuck public transportation.
rather spend 150$ a week on gas than ride a cuckbox but bigger
>and suddenly using public transportation becomes no chore at all, perhaps even enjoyable.
like driving no one actually enjoys this shit, they just tryna get from A to B while waiting through the 40 other fucking stops

>>81853643
ah maybe, I'm a local so I wouldn't know about that
it's always super packed when my friends drag me there and it seems pretty international
maybe it's different if you're a single man

>>81851686
>He thinks population will stop growing when he wants it to
LOL