im starting understand it now. identity is something you must give yourself; nobody else can do it for you

Wrong conclusion.

>>81903079 (OP)
Identity is whatever you want it to be. Others can give it to you, you can make it, you can change it if you want. I'm a new person to everyone I meet. Why not? It doesn't really matter so just have fun with it.

>>81903079 (OP)
identity is built on what's happening inside and outside of you, its not something to fake. where you kidnapped by an evil scientist as child and told you'd become something they said or what?

>>81903094
No matter how many personas you adopt it is still you. All it means is that you are a person that likes doing personas.

>>81903095
You can't fake something that isn't real to begin with. If you want to be brave, be brave. If you want to be a coward, be a coward. Identity is a construct. The identity you associate with yourself and the identity others associate with you are different even. So present how you want, exist internally as you want. It's more fun that way.
>>81903128
I can change my interior presentation on a dime. Nothing matters so what does any singular position matter? I like this, I hate this, I don't care about this. I can shift through them however I please. I'm not doing personas, I'm just shifting myself to be whatever suits the moment the best.

>>81903146
Then that means that your core self is just someone who doesn't care about things. From the exterior it looks like your shifting personalities but you just told me what you are. That's why you were able to identify yourself and tell me.

See? People just know who they are unless you're like some trauma victim or severely disassociated.

>>81903188
But most of what I said was a lie?

>>81903079 (OP)
I'm still not really comfortable with that idea.
What does an abstract social concept like """Identity'"" mean without other people to agree on it with?
It's like saying you can have a nationality or a friendship if you were the only person on earth.
What meaning do social constructs have for one person, just in and of themselves?

>>81903194
That was my first assumption but I like being kind. There's plenty of dumb kids who genuinely believe they are cynical and evil. And everyone around here seems young and stupid like you.

>>81903233
I really don't think that identity is as solid as you stated though. Personal identity shifts a lot for most people as they age and you have a lot of control over 'who' you are. I would actually argue that most people don't know who they are because they never really have to think about it or get placed into a situation that tests the limit of their 'who'. Ultimately, I don't think that identity actually matters much though. It's just what stitches your moments together so your existence feels cohesive.

>>81903188
>People just know who they are unless you're like some trauma victim or severely disassociated.
you never get that hollow feeling inside your chest and it feels like you have no identity at all?

>>81903079 (OP)
identity is how someone views you, it can be given by anyone

>>81903146
if i identify as a cute girl how does that work

>>81903274
>if i identify as a cute girl how does that work
Identity exists as two separate things. How others see you, how you see yourself. If you see yourself as a cute girl, then your self identity is a cute girl. You can't control how other people see you for the most part.

>>81903279
i just want to physically exist in the body of a cute girl
identity is the product of other things

>>81903079 (OP)
you've got it now
a few anons in this thread have the right idea too - as a child, we're a blank canvas, and through our environments, our upbringing, the people we meet along the way, all of them had a hand in shaping us

for example, my dad was a big 90's rock guy, guy had everything from Nirvana to Alice in Chains, Motley Crue, Pearl Jam, etc. and that helped shape my taste in music
My mom is religious so I grew up in a very religious environment, I'm not *as* religious but I still keep faith

That's what it's all about, an amalgamation of personalities and traits you picked up on - that's what makes you you, because somehow you managed to blend it all together and make it work

>>81903295
you're only discussing nurture but not nature

>>81903079 (OP)
pretty much most of my adult identity was formed by parasocially watching youtubers lole. i am probably only about 37% of my pre-age-19 self at this point

>>81903270
ouch, no? Is that what happening to you or something? I'm very Intune with who I am, tho some parts remain a mystery.

>>81903307
>"what is the nature of man?"
thats way above my pay grade

i dont think all of us *has* a specific nature, especially now in the modern age
look at the animals, all they do is be born, survive, reproduce, and then die
is that really *our* nature too?

>>81903332
>i dont think all of us *has* a specific nature, especially now in the modern age
can a black person become a white person through environment and upbringing alone?
can a male become a female through environment and upbringing alone?
even your personality is due to biological effects of your upbringing

>>81903394
>michael jackson
>all the passing trannies that look like attractive females but actually have balls and cock.\

or are we going to pretend they don't exist?

>>81903394
oh, i see now - we're not on the same wavelengths you and i
see, thats where we have our differences - you're shallow, you see skin, you see gender, i see what's beyond that, i see the deeper parts of Man

>black to white
skin colour? of course not, but that's not his call, was never his call - but if we're implying the black guy is a "barbarian" and the white man is "civilized" then why can't the black guy *be* civilized?
what's stopping him from putting on a suit and tie, talk in the Queen's English, and just generally be an upstanding citizen? himself?

>>81903432
>or are we going to pretend they don't exist?
those are genetic conditions

>>81903479
i'm talking about biology
what if a male wanted a vagina

low iq board

>>81903672
>biology
and i'm not
i like how we both have different definitions of what "nature" is
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nature
theres like 9 definitions lol

>>81903079 (OP)
if a boy was raised by wolves his identity would be that of a wolf

>>81903197
An identity lets you tell others how you want to be controlled.

>>81904368
what kinda middle schooler edgy logic is this

>>81904381
For example, someone who identifies as a runner wants to be made to run every day.
Can you provide a counterexample?

>>81904404
>runner? runs
>soldier? soldiers
how about we go deeper?
>man? mans
>white? whites

>>81904458
Runners want to advertise health.
Soldiers want to get paid.
Men want to have sex with women.
Whites want to destroy the world.
You're not disagreeing.