Just buy an EV you retarded faggot.

>>81924787 (OP)
oregon mentioned!!!!111!1
fuck yeah!!!!1!

>>81924787 (OP)
How prevalent are loading poles actually

>>81924787 (OP)
Electricity comes from fossil fuel. So you're actually using more fossil fuels than a gas vehicle would.

When there's a change of state, some energy is lost. So gas to energy lost some. But in electric vehicle, it's gas to electricity to energy. That's twice as many conversions. Plus electric vehicles are heavier, thus use more energy, and have to replace tires more often.

>>81924787 (OP)
now add $3000 in insurance

>>81924787 (OP)
Get one of these and you'll be able to travel anywhere except the highway for 5 dollars a month. Lasts about maybe 5 years for 2k dollars. Get a ford ranger you park in your garage when you need to tow, or carry stuff. Rinse and repeat sell for 1.5k when it's old to some shmuck and you just traveled for free forever.

It's amazing that humans are overcoming that gas problem. There's just not enough stations as of yet.

>>81925066
There are a lot of them in my country but now our electrical grid can barely support the need lol. Not just because of ev's though

>>81924787 (OP)
No thanks, I don't want to deal with the EMF radiation of an EV.

>>81925077
nuke plants perhaps
that reminds me what happened to spain it was like out of power for a while I guess it stopped

$600! almost 10 video games

>>81924787 (OP)
evs are only viable for people who never actually have to go anywhere
some days i do over 400 miles in a day which is the absolute top end range of evs but which i can easily do in any gas vehicle because refueling takes a minute instead of hours and can be done in many places
if you're a suburbfag who only has to drive 30 miles every day then yeah an ev is a great option although they are impossible to resell because the batteries decay

>>81924787 (OP)
>buy an EV so you can save the environment!
>don't worry about where the electricity comes from
>don't worry about how we get Lithium for the batteries
>don't worry about the fact that we keep churning out new models every year that need a bunch of materials to be made
>stop asking questions, THINK OF THE ENVIRONMENT!!!

>>81925184
Hey pal, it makes me feel better that I'm not actually emitting any carbons myself, just making everyone else do it

>>81924787 (OP)
EV's and automatics are too boring to drive, I like driving stick. I don't even care that they're both are nowadays objectively better, the engagement I get from it is what makes my commute something I look forward to. Also me burning gasoline furthers my goal of accelerationism.

>>81924787 (OP)
I don't have anywhere to charge it doe

>>81925323
Piece of shit car

>>81924787 (OP)
Then some schizo goes around sabotaging the EV charging stations nearby because they think Steve Jobs put it there for Agenda 21

>have to charge the car
add the time lost to money value

>>81925344
Well what'd you drive, I'll freely admit a lot of cars mog it but it's been a fun car for its price

>>81924787 (OP)
your car depreciates in value much more than that, plus this retardation about the price of electricity becomes a complete meme if more people buy EVs and increase demand for electricity, buckeroo. the only marketing propaganda that works is if you keep the idea that EV's are exclusive and niche, people want to feel special and they will overpay for that feeling.

>>81924787 (OP)
nah the state wants to tax anything with a battery in it, from mild hybrids to full EVs (yes I know that bill failed but they're gonna try again), and criddlers are ripping apart every charging station they can to get at their delicious copper wiring. also EVs are soulless appliances and I don't mind paying extra to have a fun car that doesn't suck
-t. oregonian

>>81924787 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=770Psqr53aU
Imagine how cool this quadricycle would be

>>81924787 (OP)
I think we moved on from hybrids too soon. EV are heavy as fuck and degrade roads faster, and pouring concrete is co2 intensive. Also since EV motors have instantaneous torque, they demolish tires faster. Maybe those newer battery types EV makers are developing now will lessen the road wear issue and increase general efficiency but for now, I'm still ehh on EVs, and I think the current market trends reflect a similar sentiment among consumers.

>>81925412
dude you responded to is probably a thirdie who can't even afford a bus ride. /o/ is full of them

>>81925712
I was half expecting the bmw sperg or the V6 chally/camaro shit posters. The latter two are at least endearing and have some good points at times

>>81925323
>I like driving stick
Me too
I drive a Mini Cooper S manual :D

>>81924787 (OP)
>>81925323
>>81926021
You guys can afford cars?

>>81926634
Yes
I'm also a homeowner
I also have sex

>>81926634
Still adjusting to having one

>>81926634
Look, here's the thing. Just go to a dealer with access to auctions to find you the front half of a sportscar that was in a rear-end collision and the back half of a different car of the same make, model, body style, and generation (years with the same body) that was in a front-end collision. Then pay a garage to put the two halves together. You can easily get a $200,000 car for less than $40k this way.

>higher base vehicle cost
>higher insurance cost
>unable to find charging stations in my local area
>would preclude me from the only housing I can afford unless I want to waste 30+ minutes at a charging station every 4 days because there's no way to run power to my car
>housing with a garage in this area is unaffordable on six figure salary
>unable to fix or repair things myself - adding to overall costs long-term despite supposed fuel savings

I've got nothing against EV's, however, the infrastructure is not there where I live. I get annoyed at those who virtue signal about them without understanding the engineering or power that ends up filling their car. the power that's being generated to power them likely is being generated via a fossil fuel or coal of some type - at least in part. That or people don't consider the ramifications for the lithium extraction and utilization in the vehicle.

yes, EV's are more efficient as a whole. a power plant is more efficient at generating the power than a smaller engine (Th-Tc)/Th = total efficiency thermodynamically. You have to factor in the transmission and power delivery costs, conversion, storage, etc and additional battery assembly costs. It's still more efficient. The power grid cannot handle it until they add more modular, on-demand power though. It's partially why I've heavily invested into nuclear due to increasing energy demands from both LLMs and EVs.

I will drive a hybrid for my daily commuter, as the battery regeneration via braking is at least extremely efficient and good for improving my MPG. I can still do basic maintenance - despite the added complexity. Gas stations are still readily available too, so I'm not in a bind if I have to live at a place with street parking (the only affordable housing where I live). If I need to tow anything, I will use a larger diesel truck.

>>81927185
>unless I want to waste 30+ minutes at a charging station
Isnt it almost 10 hours lol.

>>81927196

depends on if you have the ability to use a rapid charger or not. those degrade the battery heavily. if it's a standard 240 V charger - then use it will take 10 hours. 120V will take 20+ hours easily. P=IV - but there's some extra shit that makes it even slower than that.

>>81926902
Is this garage of yours run by the rapper Xzibit?

>>81927211
Damn thats fucked. I thought you always had to load it overnight which was already bad but if you really have to go somewhere and cant spend the night you have to erode your battery huh. Literally not worth it on top of the laughable distance you can go.

>>81927215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYmGAX2056A

>>81924947
>Electricity comes from fossil fuel.
What fucking retarded country do you live in? Somalia?

>>81927322
This post is so low iq that you almost forget its bait.

>>81927256

Most people have an outlet in their house that is able to deliver 240 V to the car - so it can charge overnight. This implies they have a garage or an outlet capable of doing that. 240 V outlets are common (in the US) at least for certain outlets that require them. Usually they are in garages or stuff like a laundry room for a heavy appliance (e.g. dryer, or in a garage - something like a welder). This implies that the person at least has a garage/house/etc. Given the unaffordability of housing in certain areas, this is expecting a lot. The areas where housing is expensive at least likely have the other infrastructure developed.

Lot's of places are increasingly adding charging stations to work and or parking lots. The wear of superchargers isn't known fully - but it will degrade it faster than a regular battery charge. it isn't widely known since EVs haven't been around that long. The closest equivalent would be comparing your phone without the battery care settings to one with that enabled.

it would be nice if the US would embrace a modular battery swap station which they have in China and some other countries. That won't fly here though. a) You cannot trust other people to maintain or take care of their shit (especially given certain populations in the US) b) People view the batteries as personal property and wouldn't want them as a shared commodity. c) People would be against that centralization of control, d) insurance requirements and liability would go ape shit over shared commodities such as that. There's barely the charging infrastructure in rural areas as is now, and we cannot really start mixing and matching the charging station types like this that much. A hybrid design where you could manually access some of the cells to swap them out would be nice for those that don't have the garage/direct access to charging - so they could at least trickle charge them in their own house. It would be like keeping tons of gas tanks in your home.

>>81927363
>Burger thinks inhaling smog from the local powerplant is normal
You are a third-worlder.

>>81925323
if money wasn't an issue, personally I'd get an electric as my main commuter and a manual as my passion car. I love the driving experience in both, but unfortunately the used car market is still pretty shitty locally, especially on the specific two I have my eye on.

>>81927400
You know jackshit about your own country's energy and where it comes from. Maybe you re french though but I doubt you will show your own shithole.