idk i dont see the actual issue with it if it were done right a lot of us either wouldnt be here (for the better) or would be here as a much better version as ourselves. srs question.

>>81950803 (OP)
Same reason Genocide is wrong. Sure the world would be objectively better if we killed all of Florida but actually doing it is just a non starter morally.

>>81950803 (OP)
because christian morality is the dominant ideology, which says that every life is precious. this morality is also the reason why sex is so taboo compared to violence

>>81950803 (OP)
that's not what eugenics is retard. it's about eradicating diseases, not making people hotter or whatever

>>81950803 (OP)

is that some elliot fangirl on the left?

>>81950836
Not really. The bible tells you it's okay to collect Philistines foreskins.

>>81950852
No need to get antisemitic

>>81950803 (OP)
the end goal of eugenics is stuff like aktion t4 where disabled people get mass murdered including autistics who are half of this board and depressed people

it's not a good thing. the only people who should be euthanized are like down syndrome sufferers and people who are retarded and incapable of taking care of themselves or contributing to society

>>81950803 (OP)
I think I have literally all of the hereditary mental illnesses it would be completely unethical of me to have children. It really hurts honestly having to take myself out of the gene pool but I think it is impossible for anyone with my brain to be live a happy life, this agony pain and pain will be mine and mine alone to bear.
I'm gonna get fucking rich though when I'm done with college and I'll adopt like a billion children

>>81950846
you can just look up the definition. I swear so many people don't understand eugenics. No it's not a bad thing it was just attempted once in a bad way by violent people and now has a bad connotation.

>>81950846
actual rage bait lmao, play in a freeway should be fun

>>81950892
in its practical forms it has always been about the eradication of diseases. diseases such as being a member of an inferior race, maybe, but diseases nonetheless as it has always focused on the genetic health of a population over aesthetics.
>>81950918
you seem retarded and thus a perfect candidate for eugenics

>>81950921
sure thing ur on this board like everyone else wash ur mouth out with buckshot

>>81950861
Your book is weird even with context. It is most definitely not the basis of morality.

>>81950953
i will not be doing this, especially when it's a retard telling me to do this

>>81950861
not antisemitic just an actual question

>>81950965
sure thing man so no actual answer actual ragebait fed

>>81950959
Even tho it was ancient times and wartime still massively gay af.

>>81950826
Hey
I'm from Florida

>>81950870

So half of the forum, I never understood how the inability to see the interest in sacrificing one's own life for the survival of the group was an argument

mostly - the criteria used for what is considered worth pursuing as an ideal for eugenics is questionable. current sexual selection is evidence enough of that. the most competent, intelligent, and even strongest aren't often pursued and just flat out ignored. eugenics also adds reduces genetic diversity and leads to potential risks due to attributes selected for leading to unforeseen consequences (susceptibility to disease, etc).

there's the moral question of who gets to decide who can and cannot reproduce. that's not a power people want to give to the government, and I don't trust other people the more I get older. Eugenics would work in a small society or tribe of people I trusted. I would trust that they would make the correct decisions to self-filter and self-select as necessary for the good of the tribe. I don't see that possible in modern society. A small minority will force their whims onto everyone else, for better or worse - more likely for their own benefit. Perhaps with gene editing, the imposition of that power question won't be as potent as the overarching ramifications (less genetic diversity, etc).

>>81951037
>inability to see the interest in sacrificing one's own life for the survival of the group was an argument
This is why these arguments are never go anywhere.
It's not an inability.
Eugenics is not about survival, so your argument is already completely void.
>betterment
Who determines what is desired? Us, humans. There is no way im which we can make an objective decision of what is a "positive" trait. It will always be arbitrary.
Nature does not select willingly, it is context dependent, and what is desired is everchanging.
Also the value of the individual over the group. Self-sacrifice is moral only when it is a voluntary choice, that requires placing the individual's ability to choose first and foremost. Otherwise it's just murder.

The only reason eugenics is taboo is because the people at the top dont want competition. And I strongly suspect the capitalist healthcare system is a runner up. Its in their interests that weird genetic diseases not only persist in the general population, but propagate and expand.


In b4 some cuck starts whining about muh Hitler gassing the autists or whatever. Eugenics is our only hope as a species.

>>81950803 (OP)
It's not wrong. People do it with everything.

Farming
Dogs
cattle
Rich black guys marrying white girls
Rich people only marrying other Rich people etc.
Women not having babies with men under a certain height

>>81950836
>because christian morality is the dominant ideology, which says that every life is precious
Unless it's "pagans" and "heretics". See genocide is right because every mainstream moral system is built upon finding exscuses to genocide other factions.

>>81951211
The only reason eugenics considered bad it's because they are tired tied to fascism that lost WWII

You guys should look up "new eugenics". It's crazy how many people believe eugenics is this one very specific stupid methodology employed in the 20th century by Nazis. It's so widespread it almost makes me think there is some intentional brainwashing going on.

>>81951328
>It's so widespread it almost makes me think there is some intentional brainwashing going on.

I honestly believe eugenics is the only solution to the biggest problems humanity faces, because these problems are ultimately just caused by human nature, and the only reason to fix human nature itself is to breed out the negative aspects the same way we have molded every other domesticated animal to our needs.

The main flaw however is that it is cruel towards those with inferior genetics that would be disallowed to breed, because we are hardwired to yearn for reproduction. But again, I think this con is outweighed by the long term benefits, but I can understand why others disagree.

>>81950803 (OP)
because muh heckin morals or whatever the fuck evendoe its actually more moral to spare future generations from genetic diseases and/or afflictions

>>81950803 (OP)
We have the exact opposite of eugenics and natural selection right now.

We send billions to poor countries then turn around and deliver millions of those low quality humans to richer countries. Then send these low skilled groups infinite welfare and they breed more and more useless people who require even more governmental support in exchange for their votes.

Because women want eugenics to be their job.

>>81950803 (OP)
Because it's pseudo-science. If you think some certain position isn't allowed because "it's heckin taboo to talk about" then you are a much bigger retard than you think.

Real answer: Because the people in charge are ALWAYS corrupt in some manner.

>>81952939
Do you think it's fake? How do you think dogs are bred to he a certain way or cows bred a certain way to produce more milk?

>>81953072
It's fake because, again, it's arbitrary.
>dog breeds
You mean the same that are known to suffer from many genetic diseases due to inbreeding?

>>81953087
Wait, what does eugenics mean to you? Do you think it's just creating super soldiers or something?

>>81953072
Animals aren't the same as humans you dumb motherfucker

>>81950803 (OP)
It's not wrong and should be implemented.
Just...don't kill peoples, do something like soft eugenic, procreation and pregnacy should be controlled:
Whenever a couple want a kid, dont let them do it naturally, collect the man semen and a bunch of eggs from the women and select the absolute best one

>>81953108
Do you think humans do not have DNA like animals?

>>81950959
Its almost like thats the OLD testament