why did pretending to be a girl become more common here over the last few years? is it a few dedicated shitposters or are zoomers just retarded?

>>81953136 (OP)
mpreg mpreg mpreg

>>81953136 (OP)
mate if you want to be transphobic GO TO >>>/b/

>>81953144
>>>/lgbt/
they even made a containment board for you, use it

>>81953136 (OP)
anonymity makes expressing your feelings much easier than real life where men are expected to bottle up everything, this creates a dissonance and makes what would be a "true" self (ie the one that's anonymous and doesn't have to conform to any standards) into another performance to contrast to the real life, as the man in question delves further into what it feels to be emotionally valid and represented, ie, a woman.

also weebs have been wanting to be and have been larping as anime girls since the '10s, nothing new really

>>81953144
I'm cisgender dumb fuck, I'm just telling you there's a better place to be transphobic

>>81953199
Its not a phobia if its rational

>>81953199
hello did you just pretend to be me while responding to my post?
>>81953205
retard

>>81953189
no it seems to be pretty formulaic and not unique as it would be if this were the case, either an in-joke, sustained raid (likely) or some other third thing

>>81953210
>hello did you just pretend to be me
are you new? this is a forum, not a chat site, there is no ownership to posts

>>81953199
Allies are included in >>>/lgbt/
if you want to be an ally, do it elsewhere <3

>>81953230
the conditions that raise men are formulaic and reproducible. incels, male loneliness, transexualism, it all ties back to how society treats people from the getgo, how universal it is, and how much it affects people throughout their entire lives. you'd really rather think that this is some sort of sustained raid (?) rather than a systemic issue and a consequence of our immaturity in raising human beings? if so, then you're the living reason this is a problem to begin with

>>81953136 (OP)
I'm not even trying to pretend to be a girl but I've been called a girl several times

>>81953258
no i mean the "femanon here" posts that used to be occasional jokes are now too frequent, is transsexualism actually common on r9k now?

>>81953258
just realized this was bait </3 you're too good anon

>>81953280
Shut up girl. The incels are speaking

r9k died a little when anons started appropriating the mainstream "incel" instead of the classic "robot" I came in 2016 so I guess I was part of this destruction

>>81953136 (OP)
Well, when you provide an escape from inceldom and allow them into the systemically provided for class of people, they're going to take it. Lots of trannys were once just like you.

They just were pissed off with the unfair treatment they received as a man and their own contempt for themselves because of how much society tells men to hate themselves, and they turn that around on itself and call it gender dysphoria. They are like Uncle Ruckus but for genders. They want to go to woman heaven when they die. Also, most of them are lesbian(straight), and their being a woman comes from a place of subconsciously feeling men are inferior. The reason it works is because it's very hard to differentiate from contempt for men in general and feeling uncomfortable with being a man.

Why does OP keep making these same exact threads multiple times a day?

>>81953346
DO NOT MAKE ME POST MY COCK ANON I'M A MAN GODDAMN IT!!!!!

>>81953445
True gender dysphoria is synapse firing in a way that's not gender formative. Typically recognize it a very young age and is not something that is caused by external things. The basis and cause of Gender dysphoria is a physical thing, not mental.

>>81953136 (OP)
We have all wished to be the little girl ever since m00t showed us the way.

>>81953470
What you're talking about is AGP, transsexualism. That is underlying psychological, not physical.

Gender dysphoria is underlying physical, not psychological

>>81953451
I've barely used this place for years

>>81953457
Post your dick then. I'm still going to call you a girl you girl

>>81953445
the amateur use of psycho and class analysis is familiar, a decade ago you would have fit better on tumblr.
>>81953470
This thread was really just about the obvious lying, but regarding that separate topic: I think it's a social contagion thing (misnomer since it can only occur online- noone or very few people could be convinced in person), i've seen it happen to people, usually it's through the computer, from browsing specific and obvious circles. In those cases there was nothing or little to suggest it prior to heavy digital exposure to these circles (observed ages of exposure 12-21).

>>81953136 (OP)
why dont you make a good thread instead of whining about bait?

>>81953583
Once again, gender dysphoria is a physical ailment as synapsis fire connecting areas in the brain The same way a girls would fire but born in a male body.

It is a physical thing. Not mental, not psychological, not caused from outside factors.

It is biological.

What you were talking about is AGP, transsexualism. That is psychological.

>>81953577
I'm not falling for that one fag

>>81953667
Just what a girl would say

>>81953675
I'll have you know that I have a 6 inch cock >:(

>>81953445
>>81953136 (OP)

Like, to be more clear, society hates men but will not usually say it straight up. The incel to tranny dynamic denies that society hates men. He denies to himself, even, that he himself hates men, but he still goes on hating men anyway. This self-hatred, instilled at a young age, especially without a father or role model to form a proper male identity around, results in somebody who is FORCED to invent a reason for their discomfort with their identity. Hence, that their identity is false and actually that they're a woman. For blacks, this didn't typically happen and transracial stuff is far less common because black people have their own subcultures and communities to build their identities around, and even still there used to be a lot of blacks larping as whites or hating themselves for being black without admiting the hatred, especially not without EXTREME societal backlash and alienation. But for men generally, there's far less community-wise. They sometimes even get MORE attention and support by transitioning to women sometimes, especially if they had no real family or relationships to begin with to lose or build their identities off of. Right wingers take the strong side of the patriarchy and tell men that if they're not superior to women and satisfied with themselves, then they're not really men(faggots). Left wingers take the weak side of the patriarchy and tell men that they're montrous advantaged(superior) rapists who systemically oppress women, who are disadvantaged(inferior), just by breathing or taking up reasources.

Whenever I see trannies, I feel really sad, because I see them this way. They didn't ask for any of this. They're victims of first our patriarchy and then our man-hating feminism that's really just more patriarchy in disguise but used against men. The poor souls are mindfucked so badly that their entire existance revolves around them coping with being identity-raped by society.

>>81953470
>True gender dysphoria is synapse firing in a way that's not gender formative. Typically recognize it a very young age and is not something that is caused by external things. The basis and cause of Gender dysphoria is a physical thing, not mental.

One's identity is also recognized at a very young age. Race roles and gender roles are immediately what children pick up on. It would be impossible to raise a child without them understanding a modicum of what gender and race is. And research done to experiment with that would have to either be case studies, which are unreliable and not recreatable, or unethical.

And, physical and mental things are one and the same. The body is the mind and the mind is the body.

Also, who are you to say what being a woman means? People aren't clinically or otherwise identified as trans by what synapses fired.

>>81953583
>the amateur use of psycho and class analysis is familiar, a decade ago you would have fit better on tumblr.
Yeah, but feminists dominated Tumbler. I would NOT have been allowed there.

>>81953782
Or I have gender dysphoria

>>81953931
That stuff is fake and gay man, don't worry about it. The mind and body aren't so separate.

>>81953984
>duuude just don't worry about it daaawwwg

>>81953613
>Once again, gender dysphoria is a physical ailment as synapsis fire connecting areas in the brain The same way a girls would fire but born in a male body.
>
At what age? Babies begin to understand the differences between man and woman within like a year or so. Amab babies are typically born with larger brain volumes for example, but how that is wired is still in flux.

And biology and psychology are interconnected fields. There's even something called biopsychology. Psychology isn't all soft science.

>>81953782
the lowest of the low can only survive by cocooning themselves in an iron victim complex

your drivel is no better than the radical feminist internalized misogyny rhetoric. internalized misandry and internalized misogyny sometimes occur and sometimes even play a role in gender transitioning but both are rare. most people do not transition for that reason

you and the man-hating feminists merit equal contempt

>>81953868
You don't understand the science behind it, and that's okay.

Synopsis fire differently in boys and girls. When a boys synapses fire like girls any girls fire like a boys, that is true gender dysphoria.

I'm not interested in the societal, gender discussion.

I'm talking about pure science, biology. This is the physical, not the mental. It's true that the physical leads the mental, but the mental can change. The physical cannot.

>What age?
As soon as self-cognition is recognized.
For some 6 years old is the age.

Night

>>81953868
>>81953984
that poster saying "it's physical not mental" merely means "it is not just a temporary psychological state like wanting to buy a snowmobile" - not that the mind isn't operating on the physical neurology

you're saying the physical differences are a reductionist oversimplification while dropping your own reductionist oversimplification

regardless of the mechanism and mechanics in any individual person, the fact is that persistent years-long sex dysphoria rarely abates and the question is how they can live the happiest possible life. if you had two people, one with a hypothetically perfectly transgendered neurology and another with a hypothetically perfectly social contagioned psychology, it may well be the case that the best option for both is still use of cross-sex hormones

>>81953136 (OP)
Depends whether you are referring to "im a girl uwu silly bois ^_^" or troons.
First is trolling and shitposting, the second is a mental illness. Bring back asylums.

>>81954114
it's actually the exact opposite. unironically

>>81953996
but fr tho dawg

>>81954075
It appears to me, that under this classification, 99.9% of what we recognize as "transgender individuals", would not classify as dysphoric. I believe your standards are too niche, not largely recognized.

>>81954089
The best for the latter would be to stop frequenting and engaging with transsexual communities completely, so that this worldview and perspective can slowly erode.

>>81954146
what they're saying is almost entirely unsubstantiated pseudoscience. their core point is correct though that transgender people are far more likely to have "neural intersex correlates"

>>81954128
What, you think trannies are just trolls and trolls are in fact mentally ill? Hardly.

>>81954114
I meant the first, but the topic attracted the second

>>81953735
More like a 6 inch clit

>>81954186
r9gay was a mistake
>this comment is not original

>>81954089
Correct it does not stop.

In that situation i can understand that being the best thing.

>>81954162
it is a tricky problem. i think they should probably try doing that just to see how they feel but i suspect it very rarely works if you look a year or two in advance

someone doesn't really "know" why they feel a desire to be or look like the opposite sex. they don't and usually can't "know" if or how they were "socially contagioned". maybe they leave for a year and still feel the feelings because they were "truly physically gender dysphoric" all along, or maybe the mind virus really is buried that deep, or maybe you're right that everything is too entangled. but it is that very entanglement that leads one to an action-oriented approach. if someone feels a strong desire to take cross-sex hormones for long enough it's often a good idea to try them and see if they feel better or worse or the same

this can run to infinity: someone like you will say they psyop themselves into thinking the hormones are helping, etc.

why not give them a robust education about the complexities and interwovenness of the brain and the psyche and let them choose for themselves after sufficient time

>>81954172
rather, i think the trolls are only telling themselves they're trolls. maybe 30% genuinely are trolls having a laugh but the rest have something deeper

whereas the trans people have accepted the deepest crevices of their mind and brought them to the fore

>>81954146
Most transgenders are societal psychological trans.

They are not biological gender dysphoria.

It's not my standards, it's just the way it is. True gender dysphoria is caused by physical synapse firing in a way that's not normative to the sex that individual is born with.

True gender dysphoria is rare.

Transsexualism, AGP is not rare.

>>81954165
Not unsubstantiated, you just don't have the experience I have. You don't understand and are in knowledgeable and that is okay.

Transsexuals that have neural intersex correlates his purely trauma response and trained behaviors using reward and dopamine mechanics. Correct this is also synapse firing, but it is trained

True gender dysphoria is natural, was never trained and cannot be retrained using therapies like EMDR

>>81954270
i doubt the behavior of synapse firing is meaningfully different between men and women let alone that there's a category of trans people with the other sex's synapse firing behavior

what are the papers you're getting this from

Can't talk about this further. Need to sleep

>>81954292
Sorry can't talk about this further right now

>>81953931
Fascinating. But can you varify that happened to you as a baby? Or that the lack of a testosterone surge will always result in gender dysphoria? Or that a so called feminine brain couldn't successfully intigtate a male identity and become, say, gay? Or say you're right, can you deny that the parts of one's identity that forms at a young age has nothing to do with their parenting and nurture? Personality is typically about 50/50 parenting and genetics. You're literally just citing a journal(which btw is politically incentivized to make identity related matters a biological or medical thing) and presuming like a billion things about what it means.

>>81954011
> internalized misandry and internalized misogyny sometimes occur and sometimes even play a role in gender transitioning but both are rare. most people do not transition for that reason
>
Ask any feminist. You can't escape from patriarchal influinces. It's in the air we breathe and the water we drink. What food I eat is determined by my gender identity sometimes. It's disingenuous to just dismiss how gender identity is handled in society when it comes to reasons why people transition when it's hardly rare at all to experience such things.
>
>you and the man-hating feminists merit equal contempt
We really don't. Before the man-hating feminists(who were actually women hating and obsessed with women victimization and still opperating within patriarchy), trannies weren't as common or were more repressed, since men were more easily and often provided identity.

I also don't claim internalized misandry in any sense besides hating men. Men are still internalized as superior, but in the sense that a cruel master is superior or a monster is superior. The root cause of misandry is still, ironically, internalized mysogyny. I'm simply not denying that men can be victims anymore, which is the necessary half of destroying patriachy feminists disallow out of contempt and why young men vote for Trump.

>>81954303
tomorrow please cite the paper(s) somewhere. i'll check your tripcode post history

>>81954292

Here is an explanation to what you asked
>>81953931

>>81954320
There is the base of all things. The core. The rest societal, demographic, psychological, that'll happens and shapes the person as they grow.

Just because gender dysphoria is the base does not negate the societal, blah blah blah that happens as you grow. It merely shifts from those base stats, but the base stats will always be there at the core when it is true.

I honestly don't give a fuck about societal feminism blah blah blah. Posturing soapbox look at me bullshit.

You bring politics and garbage into a discussion about science.

Go to pol with that shit.

>>81954325
I have reached my limit with this topic. Not healthy for me to continue
I'm sure if you have enough of interest in this that you can look everything up yourself

>>81954075
>Synopsis fire differently in boys and girls. When a boys synapses fire like girls any girls fire like a boys, that is true gender dysphoria.
Synapses fire the same way between boys and girls, silly. They might be plugged into eachother differently, but they stull function on the same chemical and electrical principles otherwise drugs wouldn't work.

>I'm not interested in the societal, gender discussion
Then you don't really understand the science.

>I'm talking about pure science, biology. This is the physical, not the mental. It's true that the physical leads the mental, but the mental can change. The physical cannot.
This is unhinged. You really think mental torment and bullying can't affect your physiology? Grief and the loss of a loved one can't rewire your brain and affect your physeology?

>As soon as self-cognition is recognized.
>For some 6 years old is the age.
>
Then you can't exclude the other psychological factors that play into identity and are at play with directly biological ones.

>>81954320
>You're literally just citing a journal
That's a medical textbook...

>>81954320
it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis in its current form. it's a little better than freud but not that much better. a desire to escape perceived gender roles plausibly fuels some transitions and trying to transition for such a reason (consciously or otherwise) plausibly leads to an increased rate of regret, and it's not an impossible hypothesis as one reason why self-identifying trans rates may have increased, but this is all only something you can claim with evidence or after running some kind of comprehensive study of your own if none yet exists

>I also don't claim internalized misandry in any sense besides hating men. Men are still internalized as superior, but in the sense that a cruel master is superior or a monster is superior. The root cause of misandry is still, ironically, internalized mysogyny. I'm simply not denying that men can be victims anymore
all i can really respond to this with is that i try to live every aspect of my life by left-wing (as in socially progressive; not marxist) principles - that is to say humanist principles - with no double standards and no tolerance for bigotries. i do not like any ideology that focuses a ton on all of the differences between the sexes (though many exist) or that attempts to keep score on rights and wrongs. i have been very close friends with extremely radical, misandristic feminists (despite being a cis man myself), as well as male misogynists, and everything in between. it all tires me, at this point. they all tire me. this conversation tires me, even if you may not be a misogynist or misandrist

i do not know if certain strains of feminism have caused an increase in transitions. i am doubtful. but whether they have or haven't, i suppose you and i can sign off on the saccharine ChatGPT-esque coda "It's crucial to exhibit empathy for all involved and to consider the myriad factors in each situation."

>>81954444
I don't even really care all that much about the science. People will ignore it anyways if it doesn't support their view. It's good for an academic standpoint but all I know is I wanted to be a girl from a young age and was told no by nearly everyone when I was being effeminate. Tried to cope as a gay male and it didn't work. Was still miserable until I started to transition and it was like life being breathed back into me. Not much but enough to keep going. And trust me I know none of what I say matters and someone will just scoff at it for their own beliefs but that's just my own experience

You don't understand and that is okay. I don't need to teach you and can let you believe the wrong thing. Makes no difference to me.

>>81954556
Makes enough of a difference that you answered.

>>81954221
Seeing as the given age was 12-21 this could probably just be fixed with preventative measures from parents in a generation or so. I don't think taking hormones is a good idea at all really, though you shouldn't be able to stop people, because that'd lead to overreach in some other area.
I think this argument for "choosing for yourself" after receiving a "robust education" is disingenuous, given that vulnerable young people being influenced into this sort of thing by digital social circles is the problem. When you're a kid that stuff doesn't work, you will just follow what your community goes for, people aren't all that honest or disciplined to examine whether they and their in-group are wrong, least of all children.

>>81953136 (OP)
People realized that girls get treated better than boys.

>>81954376
I mean, if you pay no attention to Evs and natures and IVs and abilities and items and movepools, you're going to lose at Pokemon. One can have excellent base stats for one role but then get completely shafted due to lacking a move or having a garbage ability or there being outclassed by better choices. It's silly to deny that genetics and the conditions of one's birth don't do anything or can't do anything. But it's equally ridiculous to say that a child raised in unsuitable conditions will be fine and not develop gender dysphoria. The nurture aspect of personality is emperically measurable. It's just not easily explained with just biology. And just because something is political doesn't mean it's completely of no value. I got to my worldview from taking the bits and pieces and rhetoric that made sense to me from the politics, from both sides.

It's probably not as simple as I'm making it out to be how society and identity influence gender dysphoria, but I doubt I'm completely wrong considering the many similarities between my life and other incels and my own occasional subconscious desire to transition into a woman whenever I had to deal with sucking at being a man or wanting and not wanting to be at the same time, which went away after I started reading feminist literature, which is all of it laced with the forbidden knowledge perverted to force itself to fit female narratives and fetishes and disgused by intellectual flare and jargon. As it turns out, I'm not a woman. I was just kept from the whole story and now, after I've been free to come to terms with it, can continue my life with no need to re-invent myself from the ground up. I like being a man. I can play my role without misunderstanding the sense of discomfort as unique to me and can switch between being a mysogynistic man and a misandrist one on the fly to suit the situation, and understand them both as such without denying their truths. I am now allowed to volentarily create my identity.

>>81954503
>ignoring the rest of what I was saying and how medical institutions are politically biased.
Yeah. It's a textbook. I mispoke.

>>81954517
>it's an unfalsifiable hypothesis in its current form. it's a little better than freud but not that much better. a desire to escape perceived gender roles plausibly fuels some transitions and trying to transition for such a reason (consciously or otherwise) plausibly leads to an increased rate of regret, and it's not an impossible hypothesis as one reason why self-identifying trans rates may have increased, but this is all only something you can claim with evidence or after running some kind of comprehensive study of your own if none yet exists
>
It doesn't necessarily lead to regret. I was never making that argument. Trans women completely recreate themselves, in a way, and it can be soothing to not have to deal with traumatic gender roles, regardless of one's identity discomfort. I see trans women as women(and taken to its extreme Uncle Ruckus as white).

>they all tire me. this conversation tires me, even if you may not be a misogynist or misandrist
This is a large part of why I have no friends, actually. I'm both. And I don't like the forceful nature of these kinds of beliefs. I don't like to rob people of their intellectual value and right to inquire and question. But that means never expressing myself. I hate the tribalistic games surrounding intellectualism and needing to belong to a series of absurd beliefs to not be crucified. I like the keeping score and speaking about differences between people, but not when it's weaponized against further exploration and dissent.

>i do not know if certain strains of feminism have caused an increase in transitions.
They likely would have less since the knowledge and topic discussed in feminism inherently reveal its own flaws. Most insecure and outcasted men shut themselves out of feminism because it's painful.
> i can sign off on the saccharine ChatGPT-esque coda "It's crucial to exhibit empathy for all involved and to consider the myriad factors in each situation."
Kek. But I don't think of you that way.

>>81954979
What am I supposed to respond? You think they're just making this up out of thin air. That isn't true.

>>81954541
I mean, if it works for you, that's a good thing. Being trans, as I described it, is an effective way to cope with men being treated and seen the way they are. If it's actually enough for you to feel better and transcend your social class as a moid, then congratulations. Rather than grappeling with being a man, you found a way around it. It's just that most of the ways trans women have described their dysphoria sound pretty awful and it's fucking sad, especially when I see the source of it as often society's doing and theur gross neglect and emotional abuse toward men, from both sides of the political spectrum.

In my mind, you've been mindfucked and healed as best you can with the reasources we have available.

And I understand the need to use science as, like, a dominance thing and authority thing, but it doesn't have to be. The silencing of all dissent and yelling soooource and demanding credentials is inherently anti-intellectual and anti-learning and elitist. People's contributions and expressions matter and knowledge is misused like a weapon. We need to fix that.

definitely a small group endlessly spamming
they'll be 40+ wearing wigs and 300 pounds and still spamming the same 5 threads 10 years from now

>>81955310
They're injecting their own interpretations of it and treating it as gospel.

For example, say a lack of tesosterone rush can cause gender dysphoria.
>Does that mean it always will?
Not necessarily.
>Does that mean it's the only cause?
Not necessarily.
>Does it happen often enough to explain all the trans women we have?
Not necessarily.

And textbooks aren't infallible. Often, they're subject to best practice and the consensus of academics, which are often politically charged since that's their community and where they get their funding.

Also, it's a medical textbook for clinical stuff, treatment, not necessarily the study of it. Diagnosises are usually based on utilitarian principles rather than the truth since it's these guys with MDs who decide definitions and not psychologists with phds.

>>81953136 (OP)
Eh, they were doing that shit online 20 years ago.
There was always the possibility the girl that one was cybering with was really a guy.
The main difference is that it's a much higher chance that the pretender is trooned out.