>be born female
>probably get abused by your dad or some other male figure as a kid
>bullied in school for not being a Stacy even though you are literally just a child
>other girls make fun of you for not being pretty
>your own parents call you ugly
>barely allowed to eat because you gain weight easily and girls shouldnt be fat
>men dont like you as a person, they just want to use you
>spend hundreds on makeup and skincare just to look "normal"
>waxing weekly, which literally hurts like hell
>eyebrow appointments that cost money and also hurt
>spend hours learning how to be prettier so you wont get bullied again
>spend a ton of money just to be considered average
>still get called mid by random dudes online
>at work, your guy coworkers are taken seriously, you are not
>at uni, your male classmates doubt your competence constantly
>still get ignored or mocked for not being a Stacy

>>81969154 (OP)
still better than the male equivalent, where people don't have the slightest incentive to even pretend to tolerate you.

How many dms did you got while writing this bait?

>>81969173
None. As if getting random DMs from pajeets begging for nudes would ever make any girl feel better about herself.
>>81969171
At least being invisible means you are not getting punished for existing without being hot.

>>81969154 (OP)
you've described what most guys go through as well. your post comes off as sexist and transphobic like talking points from some generational trauma gen x'er. feel bad and do better

>>81969154 (OP)
>spend hundreds on makeup and skincare just to look good for Chad
ftfy

>>81969194
>>81969201
Ugly guys just dont get laid. Ugly girls actually get bullied for not being a Stacy. Id honestly rather be a guy. Its probably even worse for trannies, since they rank below actual ugly women.

>>81969234
Being rejected over and over is worse than getting bullied.

>>81969256
Its not the same. Being rejected means you actually tried to do something. If you guys just live your lives, you wont get rejected.
Ugly girls cant just live their lives, they'll get rejected and bullied just for not looking like an Instagram model.

>>81969154 (OP)
that wouldn't be my life because I'm malebrained. malebrain + female body is an OP combo.

>>81969154 (OP)
I was already abused (sexually, emotionally) by family as a kid and bullied my whole life. I want to be a cute girl and have a cute girl friend group. Fuck you.

>>81969330
Its even worse. Non feminine girls get bullied too, just for not having conventional traits. And its even worse for trannies.
Society doesnt accept different kinds of women the way it accepts different kinds of men.

>>81969340
>cute girl friend group
You are not going to have this as a tranny. Most women dont have this as real women. Girls will try to isolate you for being unconventional (a tranny).

>>81969154 (OP)
TRVKE. you put it perfectly. i dont even hate being a woman but i genuinely cannot comprehend why anybody would want to be born female, i will always hate trannies for romanticizing womanhood when they have no idea what it really looks like. they are so delusional. it's like a rich kid becoming homeless by choice because they like the aesthetic.

>>81969340
most women are not cute, most women don't have cute girl friend groups, none of your anime girl fantasies have anything to do with reality. fuck YOU

>>81969416
All I want is for people to have low expectations from me and to be able to easily find love, both of which women get

>>81969444
being a woman? people having low expectations of you? oh boy do i have news for you. they wouldn't be news if you read the fucking op.

>>81969154 (OP)
these all sound like your personal skill issues, nonny, not my experience at all
not being born ugly is really not that hard

>>81969428
>most women are not cute, most women don't have cute girl friend groups
Every girl can be cute and have friends. All she has to do is take good care of her body and make an effort to talk to other girls. Bitter femfailures like you are outliers. The girls on here act so slovenly, disgusting, and hateful then act like it's a societal injustice that nobody wants to be around them lmao. I see girls posting on here about how they haven't showered in weeks or don't shave the carpet growing all over their body. That's your own fault, stop being gross!

>>81969234
>Ugly girls actually get bullied for not being a Stacy.
I was insulted, pushed around, spit on, told to kill myself, had my head slammed into the wall, threatened with knife once. Trust me, ugly dudes get bullied too. All while being ignored by everyone else. Things ain't much better on this side if you're an ugly weirdo. I feel like you could at least find one person to love and accept you as a woman. Feels like a lost cause for me.

>>81969154 (OP)
You deserve this desu.

>>81969468
OP is horseshit

A woman can be fat and never wear makeup and still have swaths of men trying to court her

Nobody cares if she barely earns any money

Traits like shyness are seen as endearing, not creepy

>>81969577
the only reason you think that is because you have a delusional male perspective who thinks everything women do is like barbieland if you were a girl you would know how dumb this sounds

>>81969709
you spent too much time listening to incels who are out of touch with reality, being a woman is miserable

>>81969577
This tranny thinks real life is just like anime and women's body hair equals gross lmao YWNBAW

>>81969709
You are delusional. In real life, girls dont have swarms of men trying to date them like a Disney princess. I dont even have one guy IRL who finds me beautiful enough to date.
"But you can be pump and dumped" yeah, and the guy would feel disgusted afterward and treat me like shit because Im ugly.

>>81969595
You've got it backwards. As an ugly guy, you can still find a girl who'll love you.
As a woman, the only guys who'll go for you are even uglier than you and they'll leave after sex because they think they deserve a Stacy.

>>81969756
Being a woman is better than being an average male by default

The problem is the bottom 80% of men are invisible to you

>>81969780
Being an ugly woman is not better than being an average guy and being a tranny is definetely NOT better than being an average guy.

>>81969780
you cannot name a single advantage to being a woman that isn't "you can get dick" which you can already do on grindr

>>81969794
Ugly women can still find a partner while being a socially retarded neet, not the case for guys

>>81969804
>Coddled
>Less pressure to compete in the rat race
>People go out of their way to include you and take your feelings more seriously

To name a few

>>81969804
You can also just be with lesbians that are as ugly as you. Gay is not an excuse. Being a woman in general is better due to all the gibs woman get from the government. If you so angry try to vote for pic related.

>>81969806
You cant possibly believe this. How would she even find her partner? Online, she would be spammed with Indians asking for nudes, which is not something good. She could also be bullied for being an ugly girl in online male spaces, since you guys only accept stacy gamer girls. Stop believing in OnlyFans influencers, the reality of being a woman is not good, and being an ugly woman is even worse.

>>81969825
it's MEN who are the coddled ones
you can just become an old faggot's sugar baby if you envy this treatment
no one cares about women's feelings
>>81969837
why are trannies obsessed with lesbians, it's disgusting

>>81969858
Evidence lately says otherwise, refer to >>81969685
Now please just become ftm if you are still bitching and then end up like all ftm.

>>81969825
>>Less pressure to compete in the rat race
Women are actually more pressured to buy cosmetic things so they can look nice. Being a woman is more pricey than being a man.
>>People go out of their way to include you and take your feelings more seriously
Only if you are gorgeous. Ugly and regular girls dont get this treatment.

>>81969890
>Being a woman is more pricey than being a man
Didnt know it costed more than a house and a car
>Ugly and regular girls dont get this treatment
refer to tea leaks.

>>81969872
Grown women are treated like children by society at large

>>81969890
A woman who lives with her parents and earns like 30K a year is fine, a man who does the same is cooked

>>81969900
are you fucking serious? are you attributing some sort of privilege to the tea girls? really? they got treated like shit by men, that's why they ended up on the app, now they are getting doxed, harassed and made fun of. this is what being an ugly woman is like. this is what you envy? i hate trannies so much it's unreal

>>81969922
>A woman who lives with her parents and earns like 30K
She is not going to have enough money to go to the gym, wax her body, wax her eyebrows, get makeup, do haircare, do skincare, get fillers and plastic surgery, or dye her hair. So she would just be a regular, unkempt girl who would be considered ugly and not feminine and bullied for not being a Stacy.

>>81969922
fine by what metric lmao her life would suck

>>81969993
They get to basically live like if an incel men got to fuck stacys on the daily. So yes. You talk about trannys alot i noticed, means im getting to you. Keep it up. I feed on emotions.

>>81969883
That image doesnt mean anything. Its just ugly girls photos next to hot guys photos. And a situationship is the same as getting used for your body, so it just proves that ugly women are dehumanized.

>>81969900
>Didnt know it costed more than a house and a car
It can be that pricey, since its something women do daily or weekly.

>>81970018
She could get an average guy easily nonetheless, but average isn't good enough

>>81970023
Her boyfriend would look after her

>>81970056
Id rather be used for my body than being a beta bux, Its insulting if a girl used to be fwb with chad but finds you stable and homely for me, Like im not pretty enough to be a fucktoy for her. Truly we live in a different worlds.

>>81970054
i talked about trannies because you are a tranny. how are women on tea "like incels but fucking stacies daily"? they have it so much worse.

>>81970054
Being pump and dumped as a woman is not the same as incels fucking Status. Penetration doesnt even make most women cum and getting pregnant by assholes is not worth it. You are not using the same metric, women arent as horny as men.

hate being female so much im transitioning
been through so much sexual trauma that i can barely stand having a female body
disgusted with myself for it
and yet because i was born xx
fuck this

>>81969774
>You've got it backwards. As an ugly guy, you can still find a girl who'll love you. As a woman, the only guys who'll go for you are even uglier than you and they'll leave after sex because they think they deserve a Stacy.
So you're insinuating men are the only people who ever date up? Are you actually insane? The actual reason you can't find a guy is because you're an entitled piece of shit.

>>81969872
Most lesbians are literally fine with sharing a space with lesbian trans girls. It's often the men haters and transphobes lashing out with their sexually repressed desires or trauma that create problems in the community. Its also why they're resorting to attacking online communities because most in person places are telling them to fuck off for harassing and trying to gatekeep

>>81969771
I think choosing to be unhygienic and lazy is gross. Your problems are self-inflicted. Literally all you have to do to live a comfortable happy life is take care of your body and you won't even do the bare minimum.

>>81970069
She is not going to get an average guy if she doesnt wax or go to the gym. The average guy thinks he deserves a cute, curvy, shaved girl even though he is probably ugly himself.

>>81970083
You are using male metrics in this conversation. Being used for sex doesnt feel good to women; penetration is not something pleasurable like you see in porn. You can look it up, around 80% of women dont cum from penetration. Its not a fun experience.

>>81970152
Then why are you complaining that man dont want to date ugly girls, not only you will fuck them little your fucking ugly, it takes the same effort to fuck pretty woman anyways because you are all entitled pieces of shit.

>>81970133
>So you are insinuating men are the only people who ever date up?
Yeah. Ugly guys are usually with pretty girls more often than the opposite.

>>81970142
Real lesbians (not transbians) hate you guys. They hate you guys. No real lesbian is going to fuck a guy with a dick. Why is that even a controversial thing to say? Lol.

>>81969774
>You've got it backwards
No, that's literally the one big plus of being a woman. No matter what your issue, you could always find a guy that'd love you and want to be with you. If you're an ugly, autistic dude you're out of luck.

>>81970142
i don't really give a fuck about lesbians because i'm a straight woman. i don't think about them and never met one irl, only online. the fact that you are so obsessed with them shows you have a lesbian porn addict male brain. real life isn't porn. most women are also straight and think trannies are an abomination.

>>81970152
And I'm pretty sure you're a guy who is bullshiting for the larp because you're confusing PIV sex with girls who have a tough time climaxing from orgasm alone. Yeah most guys suck at sex and get egotistical when their dick can't do the job alone. Truth is girls often need to rub their clit or use a toy during it to reach orgasm but it doesn't mean they don't find intercourse enjoyable. Fuck even most lesbians use dildos or their fingers and they don't even try to claim the same crap you are

>>81970204
here is a secret: you can also find a guy that would love you and be with you! take the fag pill.

>>81970279
Womans only return to the fact guys will never find love is to be gay, typical because they know they are in a better state but want to be victims and the truth they want chad while being ugly as fuck.

>>81970264
I'm not obsessed with them at all you fucking mook. Where can you even make a claim like that and expect to be treated seriously. Just because you're in the closet and can't stop bringing them into every discussion doesn't mean others are

>>81970272
no she is right, sex is objectively more enjoyable for men. the orgasm gap is a statistical fact. so women having easy access to sex doesn't mean much. someone wanting to use you for sex is not a good feeling when you know they would also fuck a mcchicken.

>>81970279
I hate when women pull this argument

You're saying most guys are so unattractive to you that it's the same as being gay for us

>>81970291
you brought them up first retard

>>81970279
>you can also find a guy that would love you and be with you!
But I'm not gay?

>>81970290
if you say women have all these privileges that come from men being into them, of course i will remind you that you can also go suck dick just as easily.

I know the secret to vaginal orgasm but will not reveal it because OP doesn't deserve to have one

>>81970297
>sex is more enjoyable for men
trolling for attention. gotcha

>>81970298
>>81970317
and i hate it when you claim to be straight yet expect women to act like men

>>81969872
>>81970142
>>81970291
>>81970309
Stick with the tour before making yourself look the fool

>>81970334
>i have no answer for your objectively correct post so you must be a troll

>>81970352
hello newfag if you bring your mouse to the post i was quoting, the numbers and stuff, you can see who i was responding to and the fact that he brought up homos first. cheers

>>81970345
What? My first post in this chain is talking about the differences in men and women. I was saying they have an easier time finding love than men do. Where'd I say I expect women to act like men?

>>81969154 (OP)
>>barely allowed to eat because you gain weight easily and girls shouldnt be fat
You don't gain weight any easier than anyone else. It sucks as a kid to be restricted, but don't become delusional as well.
Yeah children need to gain weight for growth and children gaining SOME excess weight is normal, but you're not special or unique in that area.

If you're fat now it's entirely your own fault.

>men dont like you as a person, they just want to use you
wanting sex with a woman does not preclude them liking you as a person.
if you're not liked, it's not due to them wanting sex with you.

>spend hours learning how to be prettier so you wont get bullied again
>spend a ton of money just to be considered average
>still get called mid by random dudes online
Effort can only improve appearance so much, and averages exist for a reason. I think the term "mid" is rude though.

>>81969192
>As if [X] would ever make any girl feel better about herself.
It's entirely your decision (albeit subconsciously I'm perfectly willing to admit) to base your self worth off your appearance. You could be a renowned author, a popular streamer (eww), someone who's great with animals and works at a wildlife reserve, but you're the one focusing your ego on your looks.

>>81970378
You brought up grindr. Now tell me thats not a gay hookup site. Entitled retarded foid.
>>81969804

need a mentally ill manhating r9k gf

>>81970391
tbf basing your entire self worth on how you look is extremely common with women, i dont really know why tho

>>81970396
yeah i remember what i said minutes ago and the point still stands

>>81969774
>As a woman, the only guys who'll go for you are even uglier than you
This really sounds like you're crying about not being able to get chad.

>>81969804
Women are socially accepted more so than men *on average*.
A woman distressed on the street will be approached because "what's wrong honey?"
A man distressed on the street will be avoided because he's clearly dangerous.

>>81969993
>now they are getting doxed, harassed and made fun of.
If they wouldn't have joined a large group gossip app they wouldn't be harassed doxxed or made fun of.
Now watch these SAME women vote for the panopticon because "think of the children!"

>>81970279
>anon to femanon: "you can still find a [compatible sex]"
>femanon to anon: "you can still find a [incompatible sex]"
retard.

>>81970391
you really don't understand how brutal beauty standards on women are
>>81970443
because the entire world judges women based on their looks

>>81970449
The point is you are the one who is obsessed with gays/trannys and will transition in the future. It does not matter if you do or do not anyways as you are not just ugly outside but inside and you will suffer like you deserve i hope. If you want a boyfriend right now make a thread of i want a bf and youll have at least 3 guys posting discord there. Or dont and keep bitching cause its not chad.

>>81970454
>A woman distressed on the street will be approached because "what's wrong honey?"
do moids really believe stuff like this? bruh

>>81970471
>you really don't understand how brutal beauty standards on women are

Which is why there are so many more virgin women, right

>>81970454
it is an observation about male and female nature. regardless of your gender, nen are easy to get, women aren't. you cannot expect women to act like men.
>>81970481
because moids itt have repeated it a million times that they envy the male attention women get and they think it's an amazing privilege when even they can get it.

>>81970345
I actually fully 100% agree with you.
Men need to stop expecting women to be reasonable or rationale.

>>81970443
Yeah, it is. And I'm willing to go so far as to say it's even the default for whatever reason that happens to be. My own theory is simple evolutionary biology.
But regardless, even if it's the default, you can wrestle control over your own mind with effort. Failure to do so is a skill issue.
I'm not even saying it's bad for a woman to be that way (though I think it is for any human), but simply that it's obviously causing her distress, yet she refuses to abandon it for something that will benefit her more / cause her less distress.

>I don't want to be famous or successful or self-fulfilled!
>I want to be pretty!
Grim.

>>81970508
>Which is why there are so many more virgin women
truthnuked brutal

>>81970508
do you think having sex with men is an indicator of conventional attractiveness?

>>81970512
We envy getting attention FROM THE OPPOSITE SEX OF OUR OWN

Holy shit

>>81970530
Who are you trying to get laid with then? Other women? Are you retarded?

>>81970471
You know half the world is female right, if you organized you could easily stop women being judged solely on their appearance

>>81970508
thousands of men were shitting on women on tea for being ugly just the other day. they are sex havers. the fact that men sleep with you doesn't mean they think you're pretty. yesterday should have shown you how ugly women are really treated by men.

>>81970530
>i need to make myself pretty so men willl be more likely to like me for my personality

>>81970570
are YOU retarded, you know sex is not a supermodel exclusive activity

>>81970575
Notice the guy pics they posted there though. You just want chad like all these ugly women, you deserve to be shitted on. You want him to be in long term relationship with you.

>>81970515
Being pretty or probably easier to achieve than fame but i get your point. Also evolutionary as in hunter gatherer lifestyle, it makes no sense for women to care about how they look, it only really makes sense post agriculture, in what other species do the females preen more than the males

>>81970576
it's more like
>i need to make myself pretty so everyone stops treating me like shit because they only care about my looks

>>81970471
>you really don't understand how brutal beauty standards on women are
I do. I'm saying to reject the standards entirely you dumb dumb. Men have their own standards as well that I've rejected because I don't care about them / how people see me as a man.

>>81970492
You come across a crying child on the street. A woman going up to it and saying "let's find your parents" is seen as okay. A man doing so will be assumed to be a kidnapper.

>>81970512
>you cannot expect women to act like men.
I don't. Men and women have their own pros and cons due to societal blah blah.
Women and men both accurate identify the pros. Most men accurate identify the negatives of being female. Most women are blind to the negatives of being male.

>>81970576
If men dont like your personality before you were pretty, they dont like your personality after either, you are retarded.

>>81970590
no one was talking about the guys. i saw what i saw when you were harassing these women for their appearance. that's just how society treats ugly women.

>>81970627
Thats how society treats ugly women who are chad only, Notice not every ugly woman in existence in there you retard.

>>81970616
>I do. I'm saying to reject the standards entirely you dumb dumb. Men have their own standards as well that I've rejected because I don't care about them / how people see me as a man.
you have this luxury because you are seen as a person, women are only judged for their looks

>>81970641
how do you know they are chad only? you are only vilifying these women because you don't find them attractive. classic moid behavior

>>81970644
women are half the population and more than half of the people a woman would interact with, the beauty standards are mostly self inflicted

>>81970659
Because if they werent chad only they would be fucking their new bf instead of signing up to report ex chad for leaving them.

>>81969154 (OP)
>men dont like you as a person, they just want to use you
That's your problem. Why can't you be a likeable person? I'm socially awkward as hell

>>81970595
>Being pretty or probably easier to achieve than fame
I don't think so. If you're unattractive there's only so much make up or hair or exercise can really improve (for men or women). For some it's simply impossible to attain a level beyond average. In fact for most it's impossible*. Achievements and success as well are somewhat limited due to factors like IQ, luck, and such, but are at least possible.

* A small caveat being "normally". Ironically we live in such a sick modern world, that a woman being merely skinny immediately puts her above the 2/3 who are obese. Roughly 2/3 of men are also obese but since men aren't judged as much on looks, sort of a double edged sword.

>Also evolutionary as in hunter gatherer lifestyle, it makes no sense for women to care about how they look,
Prettiest woman gets Oog, Oog best hunter, prettiest woman get most food / Oog attention / strongest children / whatever.

>in what other species do the females preen more than the males
I'm not really sure what point you were intending to make here and the more I think about it / type a response the further down a mental rabbit hole I get.
Below is the reply before I stopped typing and went "wait, what am I saying / responding to?"
>Animals aren't really the best comparison to make here. A male animal will court basically any (same species) animal in heat. Male insects go after literally any female insect giving off mating pheromones, and male birds tend to accept whatever female gives them the okay after doing their mating dance.
Hell it's still basically accepted that most men will accept most women if approached first.

>>81969154 (OP)
if i were female i would not leave my house and just be a fembot and hopefully work from home

instead i make up a bunch of other goals to cope with being male

>>81970644
>you have this luxury because you are seen as a person, women are only judged for their looks
You're unable to grasp my point, which is fine as it's expected.
Here's what you're doing:
>wear make up everyday (despite the damage to your skin)
>normal stuff
>miss it one day
>what's wrong, are you sick?
Up to this point I agree with you that society judges women on looks and blah blah.
Here's where we diverge:
What you're doing:
>ahah...yeah, I didn't have time (awkward excuse)
>put on makeup the next day and continue the song and dance because you don't want to be judged
Here's what you should do:
>stop wearing makeup
>it becomes your new normal
>no longer judged for not wearing makeup because everyone at the office knows you don't wear make up
I can't make it any easier for you because you refuse to put down the shackles of society you willingly carry.

>>81970737
>>A male animal will court basically any (same species) animal in heat.
exactly, females of larger mammals usually put the male through some sort of test to mate if the species isn't social, humans are obviously social so then it depends on social hierarchy where the top male mates with all the females but bottom males usually get a few children through being sneaky, females dont have to show how prety or competent they are to attract the alpha much less the beta.

>>Hell it's still basically accepted that most men will accept most women if approached first.
women have no reason to try to look good in this case, genuinely the main reason women care about how they look is because they're bored, farmers worked all day so they didn't care, the noblewomen sat around doing nothing so they cared a lot. Now everybody has fake jobs so they care about how they look

>>81970814
>women have no reason to try to look good in this case, genuinely the main reason women care about how they look is because they're bored, farmers worked all day so they didn't care, the noblewomen sat around doing nothing so they cared a lot.
Ah, thank you for elaborating / giving brain the direction it needed to.
>farmers worked all day so they didn't care
Farming happened during the time we know monogamy was definitely a thing, so men were limited in who they took as a wife. So the "top" men would go for the prettiest woman, so the women would still have reason to preen.
Ironically nobles were even more status obsessed and so would likely skip over prettier women to marry the higher status woman (and then still potentially keep pretty commoner mistresses, which had the effect of drawing the desirable genes from the commoner population over time, thus being the reasons nobles eventually became known for being "prince charming")

>>81970911
Not entirely sure mistresses were all that common even in the nobility throughout pre industrialisation europe, nobility being good looking is a disney myth, as knights they were supposed to be strong and just, when that fell out of favour they were just rich until industralisation when they were just old fashioned and classy, then they all died in ww1 because they thought they would be fighting a napoleonic war

>>81971036
>then they all died in ww1 because they thought they would be fighting a napoleonic war
whether they were good looking or classy or smart or whatever, ww1 (and to a lesser extent ww2) was surely a disaster for the genepool.
RIP the west

>>81971129
yep, most definitely rip the west, the 2 world wars just killed all joie de vivre in europe, atleast the russians got pretty women for killing all a male generation, the same effect did clearly not happen in germany

>>81970192
>Ugly guys are usually with pretty girls more often than the opposite.
Not him, but the guy you posted had to upload years of YouTube videos until he finally found someone that liked him. Mostly because a woman watched him for hours on end and developed a parasocial connection to him or liked his personality. That's an extreme case. Women today only want to date men who turn them on, cause they are more obsessed with sex than men, and that's why they have such high standards. Women's standards are never about personality, and always shallow.

>>81969154 (OP)
More like...

>Be born female
>Watch dad beat the shit out of his son over nothing while you get away with everything.
>Get rejected by the only guy hot enough to be noticed by you.
>You lose your shit because you've never heard the word "no" in your entire life.
>Have your pick of job opportunities regardless of experience.
>Reject 95% of suitors because you have a job and men are gross and babies are competition for attention anyway.
>Die alone.

>Be born male
>Learn to defy doomers and fight bullies so you don't have to kill yourself out of lifelong depression.
>Be alone for entire life, it doesn't bother you anymore.
>Find loser friends who you appreciate because no one has been nice to you before.
>Die relatively content.

>>81971228
wasn't it just that the video went viral?

>>81971430
So it was incredible luck? Even better...

>>81969154 (OP)
Why do you act like any guy here wouldn't at least want to talk to you and like you as a person?