Forgiveness is toxic
It subverts justice and teaches us nothing
The people who preach this shit lack maturity and shouldn't be listened to

Society would be a lot better if got rid of ridiculous bullshit like forgiveness

>>82081637 (OP)
>Forgive your rapists
Some people ACTUALLY contend with this problem lmao. No, you don't have to forgive a rapist

>>82081637 (OP)
forgiveness isn't always about expecting things to change anon

its about finding it in you to let go of the grudge and heal

>>82081662
>>82081637 (OP)
Why do you people always interpret that in the worst possible way? It's about letting go because holding on to it doesn't help you. You can sit and stew in your hatred for whoever all you want, it does nothing good for you.

Forgiveness isn't something you do for others, it's something you do for yourself; it's you letting go of the past and moving forward.

>>82081668
Having a grudge is perfectly natural and normal
The chances are if you have a grudge it's because the other guy fucked up, if he fucked up then he should pay for it

Forgiveness is just bottling up your emotions, further fucking you up

Justice should be sought

>>82081686
>it does nothing good for you.
Forgiveness offers nothing but blind you to the reality of the situation
You're just bottling your emotions and pretending everything is okay

>>82081690
If you honestly think anything "ends" with forgiveness, then you are dead wrong and retarded

>>82081747
>Forgiveness offers nothing but blind you to the reality of the situation
The reality of the situation is no matter how much you hate someone, it won't affect them at all.
>You're just bottling your emotions and pretending everything is okay
The entire point is to let them go, not bottle them up. Accept what happened and move on with your life. Do you even listen when your therapist talks?

>>82081637 (OP)
Forgiveness doesn't mean anything if you weren't able to impose consequences in the first place. It's only meaningful if you had an opportunity for revenge and chose forgiveness, but who does that? Maybe Jesus and look what happened.

>>82081764
I know for a fact forgiveness does fucking nothing
You don't "move on"
You're still gonna have nightmares, anxiety and anger
You think the incident won't affect you because you were told it wouldn't
You were convinced

>>82081800
>won't move on
>dislikes the symptoms of not moving on
>remains angry
ok lol have fun suffering I guess?

>>82081813
Suffering is unavoidable
Forgiveness is just a lie you tell yourself so you can feel empowered in the moment, but eventually it'll fade and you'll be pissed off all over again

>>82081850
>Suffering is unavoidable
I prefer world views that minimize my own suffering but you can certainly believe anything you want

>>82081730
>Having a grudge is perfectly natural and normal

totally

>The chances are if you have a grudge it's because the other guy fucked up, if he fucked up then he should pay for it

sure but life is unfair and obviously that will not happen in all cases

>Forgiveness is just bottling up your emotions, further fucking you up

no its not you are literally overcoming all the pain

>Justice should be sought

justice is not always an option

christcucks out in force ITT. OP is 100% right, forgiveness is the greatest sin and it destroyed the western man

>>82081922
I think the best way to see it is, you don't have to forgive your wrong doer, but you definitely should forget them to make it easier

>>82081937
for sure

the pain you carry with you weighs you down

life is hard enough

you don't have to make it harder on yourself

>>82081922
>no its not you are literally overcoming all the pain
The effects of forgiveness are only temporary
You'll end up feeling like shit eventually


>justice is not always an option
Maybe, but forgiveness is a terrible substitute

>>82081937
>>82081947
Forgiveness changes nothing, it just a placebo

>>82081987
I guess that's why every major philosophy from the beginning of history to now has advocated for forgive and forget over holding your spite inside forever

>>82081994
>every major philosophy
You know damn well this isn't true

>>82082008
Stoics, Christians, Buddhists all seem to agree about letting go
Nietzschian philosophy is something like using anger to better yourself, which you aren't doing lol
Taoism is kind of forgive-y
Hinduism has karma or whatever, who the fuck knows how this shit works
Utilitarianism would suggest doing whatever makes you feel best, which doesn't appear to be being angry
I don't think a single major philosophy would suggest holding onto anger forever at the very least
I think the only one supporting your view would be Satanism

>>82082059
>Christians, Buddhists, Hinduism
These religions constantly rage war
Thailand and Cambodia just bombed each other even though they're both buddhists and India constantly attacks Pakistan and China

In the roman empire and other great historical societies, revenge was promoted instead of forgiveness

>>82081637 (OP)
>God is immature
And who might you be, OP?

>>82081981
>Maybe, but forgiveness is a terrible substitute

its tragic for sure

and it deserves its own mourning period

don't feel like y ou have to do it over night

>>82082113
>These religions constantly rage war
And? I'm saying what the text says.
>Thailand and Cambodia
Oh yes because countries are known to be perfect adherents to whatever retard religion they follow
>In the roman empire and other great historical societies
citation needed
Besides the point anyway, you're not getting revenge you're just stewing in your misery lmao. It's completely ineffectual and you're over here thinking you're following in Rome's footsteps. That's just pathetic dude. Are you delusional?

>>82082143
>I'm saying what the text says.
Which only proves my point that forgiveness is fucking pointless

>you're not getting revenge
You wouldn't know that

>thinking you're following in Rome's footsteps
No

>>82082125
Jesus is sucking cock in hell
All abrahamics are mentally ill retards

>>82082174
>Which only proves my point that forgiveness is fucking pointless
I don't think that follows at all
>You wouldn't know that
Barking dogs never bite. You're just a loser trying to sound tough because you got raped or whatever the fuck happened to you. Who cares? It happens to so many people, you're not special. Most people brush themselves off and go on with your lives. You decided to break and become a miserable loser. Good job, instead of a little trauma you have a completely ruined life. Your revenge fantasies really helped you out there, huh? There's nothing to you except how stupid each and every action you've taken has been. You just consistently move yourself towards misery. Great job, very cool.
>No
Yes lol

>>82082183
And you're sucking cock on earth OP. Your take is similarly invalid then

>>82082209
You can mock all you want idgaf
But forgiveness doesn't help
It's a mental placebo, eventually the delusion will fade and you wake feeling pissed off once again

>>82082221
Atleast I don't worship a dead hippie lol

>>82082236
Oh fine you're a very special victim who had the most specialist bad things happen to you and you can never know peace ever because of how very awfully bad the things were, you poor poor thing.

>>82082209
I've tried to forgive before and eventually it fucking fails
One day you'll realize this
Forgiveness isn't the end of it, you're just deluding yourself

>>82082251
You're misreading me and you're a fucking retard
Next

>>82082254
You're missing the "and forget" part. The entire thing is just about accepting what has happened and integrating it into yourself. If you reject what's happened you're just going to be miserable, it's not like you can change the past. And no, I won't realize it any day because I know what happened to me and I know there's nothing I can do about so it just doesn't matter. I'm not angry about it, I don't care, I have real problems to deal with not nonsense from the past.

>>82082281
You can accept the past without forgiving, you fuckin idiot

You are mentally castrated if you think forgiving the fucker should be the end of it

You are an absolute cuckold if you don't crave justice against this fucker

>>82082312
You're completely missing the point. If you remain angry, you aren't integrating and you won't be happy.
>You are mentally castrated if you think forgiving the fucker should be the end of it
My point is who gives a fuck? It doesn't help you. Are you stupid?
>You are an absolute cuckold if you don't crave justice against this fucker
I fully don't care because it doesn't matter. If someone hits me, I'll hit them back. If they hit me 30 years ago, I'm not going to spend my entire life plotting revenge and blowing up on r9k lmao. You're the cuck dude, this person hurt you and you focused your entire life on them. They're living rent free in your head and they probably don't even think about you.

>>82082347
Anger can motivate you to make sure justice is served
But you're too much of a cuck to know that

If someone rapes you and they get away with are you seriously satisfied with just forgiving them?
You're the cuck for defending the bastards that should be sent to prison

>>82081637 (OP)
Forgiveness is about realising that someone has been dealt justice and to stop holding their actions against them rather than just absolving them of their wrongs.
Its letting a convict back into society after he has served his sentence, not letting him walk free from the get go.

>>82082389
>If someone rapes you and they get away with are you seriously satisfied with just forgiving them?
Anon, are you so angry that you've lost your ability to read? The very first thing I posted in this thread was
>It's about letting go because holding on to it doesn't help you
As in letting go of the anger. You integrate the experience, accept that it happened, and move on from the anger. Anger doesn't make you get unraped.
>You're the cuck for defending the bastards that should be sent to prison
Yes, send them to prison! I'm not arguing against that, but nothing you've said has suggested putting them into prison was even an option. Usually people don't talk about revenge when they mean send them to prison. Being angry doesn't put them in prison anyway and it only makes you unhappy. Are you seriously so myopic here that you're incapable of understanding what I'm saying?

>>82082410
Statistically speaking, that convict is just going to fuck up again and end back up in jail

If they fuck up once, they don't deserve to be forgiven

>>82082431
"Letting go" is for cucks
I want change to make sure shit like this doesn't happen again, and if you were a man you'd want the same

Forgiveness doesn't turn out any useful results

>>82082473
Well enjoy being angry and illiterate.

>>82082473
you're probably some 20 something edgelord do us a favor and grow up faggot nobody gives a shit about your shitty world view. maybe go stack boxes at walmart instead of shitting up the internet bitch nigger

>>82082483
I'm high off cannabis and tired
What's your excuse for being angry and illiterate? You were misreading my replies all throughout

I'm going to bed, I'll check back in the morning
gn, fag

>>82082522
Such an angry tone for someone who supposedly "let go" of all his anger

>>82082530
>What's your excuse for being angry and illiterate?
I'm really not angry at all I'm more frustrated that you're incapable of interacting with the words I write and instead make up your points to attack lol
>You were misreading my replies all throughout
All of your replies were misinterpreting what I was saying and calling me a cuck lmao. Let's see:
>Forgiveness isn't the end of it
>But forgiveness doesn't help
>Forgiveness is just a lie
>forgiveness does fucking nothing
>Forgiveness offers nothing
When my entire argument, from the start, was that
>It's about letting go because holding on to it doesn't help you
You keep interpreting that as literally forgiving your abuser and pretending they're a super great dude, which was never what I said. I said let go of the anger, integrate the experience, accept that it happened, and move on. You keep ignoring my point and interacting with some other point that I never made. I actually don't know that I ever even said to forgive your abuser, I just said to let go of the anger which is really not that same thing. You can pursue legal remedy while not being angry!

>>82082540
That is not me Bibbit, though I can't say I disagree with the sentiment.

>>82082540
again proving you're a dumb faggot just because i use forgiveness doesn't mean i'm going to forgive every cocksucking bitch online like yourself.

how much of a pathetic cockroach do you have to be to be against forgiving? pray to god you don't run into a motherfucker who actually believes what you're saying and decides to torture you for the rest of your fucking life and sells your shit to some demonic cunt that will torture you in hell for all eternity, becase le forgivness is for le cuucks broooooo.

>>82082614
Holy fuck you're equating criticism of forgiveness to being a serial killer

Goddamn you're fucking retarded

>>82081637 (OP)
this sounds good until you start chimping out like a retard over small things people said or did to you, then you just end up being yet another faggot that needs to be put down

>>82082576
You really never go after my argument that forgiveness doesn't work in the long run

>>82082630
I'm not effected by little shit like insults or whatever so your reply is completely pointless

>>82082641
Because my argument isn't for forgiveness it's for acceptance of the event. From the fucking beginning my dude, can you reread my previous response and like, read every word I wrote instead of just the words you thought I wrote? God damn lmao.

Forgiveness is for faggots and weak minded cucks.
Revenge is good.
Fuck these people.

>>82082522
>shitting up the internet
No thats the porn and attention whoring fat sluts and sex addicts that are shitting it up.
Nigger.

>>82081662
Women objectively like to get raped, they romanticized their victimism and they feel it evolves their character development, a tick list on their tumblr profile, like it's something they had to live, cry, push, drink and evolve through. There's no such thing as 'forgiving their rapist', they are glad that both they were seen as a rapable femme target, and to have been given that beautiful opportunity of using it to grow their character and gather empathy from others. They will also make their rape a pseudo-romance self-discovering story, but only if their rapist was more or less attractive.

>>82082410
If you don't dish out revenge then where is the justice?

>>82082660
Then why the fuck did you enter the thread if you weren't talking about forgiveness?
you could've just avoided the thread if your argument had nothing to do with forgiveness

>>82082722
>if you weren't talking about forgiveness?
Because forgiveness as commonly meant in psych advice means what I was saying not "hurr ur abuser iz good person" or whatever the fuck. Words can have different meanings in different contexts sweatie. Also I like arguing on the internet.

Bibbit has the right idea.
I for one have learned how to make destructive devices for my revenge.

>>82082761
Yeah whatever helps you sleep, buddy

>>82081637 (OP)
your posts are usually horrendous, good job having a correct opinion for once

>>82082776
It's not my bedtime yet anoni