The guy has to talk first or make the first move. I never could do that with a woman. Thats why i am an incel.

>>82113380 (OP)
>ask woman out
>she gives you this incredulous look like you have just insulted her by even believing she was worthy of you
yea, that was that for me. She wasnt even that great looking either.

>>82113380 (OP)
I wonder if you just have too much estrogen.
I got rejected thousands of times by all kinds of girls when I was growing up and it didn't really bother me to get rejected, I was just super depressed whenever I was alone. Eventually I figured out what to do though, some girls really are out there (for me)

>>82113408
Im 37 and never asked a woman if she was single in my life or approached

>>82113434
Between age 14 and 22 I probably hung out with and got to know over 2000 different girls. Obviously nobody does the "approach" meme because that's some Indian PUA thing, but I asked out girls all the time.

>>82113380 (OP)
No he doesn't. The less desirable person is who approaches. Most of the time that is the man but not always. When the man is sexually attractive, the dynamic flips and women are the ones who approach and escalate with men. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

>>82113452
Wtf. I never asked out a girl. Only online.

>>82113460
So that means i am uggo ?

>>82113461
I don't know if online counts, I bet it doesn't work for average guys unless you were in those early internet chat rooms. I always thought that it was just human nature for men to flirt with girls.

>>82113474
Yes. If a woman doesn't immediately sexually assault you, basically, that means she thinks you're ugly. Women see men that they find sexually attractive so rarely that they generally can't control themselves around them.

I ran the simulation for you with my life. Youre better off.
>talk to foid x24
>judge her interests and personality x24
>make her laugh listen to her babble, ignore disrespect from arrogance x24
>wait around until she lets you fuck her x24
>try to be yourself some more
>extreme negative reaction x24
>feel alone and alienated and compromised x24
I wish i was you.

>>82113474
Yea, but to put it in context, women find maybe like 20% or less of men actually attractive.

>>82113380 (OP)
approach women you don't find attractive and try to make small talk to learn how to talk to women. it's easy.

>>82113495
They are always looking for new BBC to jump on

>>82113483
I dont understand what flirting is

>>82113516
Flirting is being tall with a full head of hair, good jawline, and below 16% body fat. That's it pretty much. What you say or do has pretty much nothing to do with whether a woman finds you sexually attractive.

>>82113502
Far less than 20% in my estimation at least.

>>82113408
>>82113452
>>82113483
Yeah it's low test or autism. If you grow up in a loveless household you never really learn how relationships work and that men need to pursue women. I spent my teens and 20s thinking that desiring women is wrong and shameful, so I avoided them

>>82113540
Yea, I've seen figures around 10% or less myself.

>>82113540
This. All of our dads were extremely tall for their generation. The only reason that boomers and gen x men had sex was because they were the top 5%

>>82113580
Its over for millenials

>>82113593
just be born with your fathers genes. Take the black pill.

Being a pope shows how much sex you dont have

>tfw actually make the first move once or twice a year
>always fail, in public
I know that's nothing but still

>>82113380 (OP)
My gf made every single first move
>figured out my schedule so she could ambush me and ask me out
>pinned me down on my bed and initiated the first kiss
>pulled her shirt off and put my hand on her tit
>shoved my hand down her pants and taught me how to finger her
losing our virginities together was mostly a mutual step though.

>>82113987
Fuck off my board faggot wtf

>>82113408
How can anyone be confident enough to do this unless they're gigachad

I don't show interest in girls because I know I'd be insulting them by doing so

>>82114022
>he doesnt live to insult women

>>82114033
I'm too empathetic for this world

If I were a girl I wouldn't want to be approached by an obese balding autist

>>82114044
I know what you mean bro. But our time is coming soon picrel

>>82113380 (OP)
>The guy has to talk first or make the first move.
Nah, highschool chad got his gfs by being forced to work together with them in chemistry class.

>>82113380 (OP)
>The guy has to talk first or make the first move. I never could do that with a woman. Thats why i am an incel.
Same. I just get stared at every several years, and she's never alone.
No, they have to talk to me. If they touch me as well, even better.