Am I the only one who thinks Buddhism is a horrific belief system?

Its core tenets literally revolve around the idea that life is evil and the individual self needs to be obliterated.

>>82116540 (OP)
Its literally a neet religion founded by a rich neet who didn't want to work his noblistic duties, its just a head in the sand religion that copes by thinking there's got to be something better than this shitty world. Which isn't all too different from other religions if you look at the end game for each.

>>82116540 (OP)
Every religion ultimately boils down to accepting your fate and not trying to actively change the course of the human world. Which is fucking gay as hell, you should be striving for immortality.

>>82116540 (OP)
It kinda is but it is still appealing to human populus because it sounds like truth. Meaning it reflect pretty accurately the worldview of average civilised human. I always rofl over tradcucks who think that at some point their ancestors were happier. Humans have been writing about inevitability of suffering since the first scripts.

>>82117343
I mean at least Christianity has an uplifting message of redemption and eternal life. Buddhist Nirvana is literally death of the ego, ie the conscious self, its Evangelion ending tier shit.

>>82116540 (OP)
De-egoing a person is literally turning them into an NPC. It's the ultimate humiliation for any lifeform. You make a whole horror movie around strapping someone to a chair and deegoing them. You could get serial deegoers that leave their victims broken for life. Even deegoing malpractice by evil doctors.

>AAAGGH MY EGO *dentist drill noises*

>MY FUCKING EGO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>82116540 (OP)
>core tenets literally revolve around the idea that life is evil and the individual self needs to be obliterated.
it already is though, isnt it?
that's not to say it isn't there but just that an inability to be able to see past it is limiting
>>82117624
where did you read that the ego is the conscious self?

I don't think beliefs and religions matter that much. White Buddhists will never eat cow shit and Indian Christians won't stop living in squalor.

>>82117624
the ultimate goal of Buddhism is to escape the reincarnation wheel(samsara), by climbing through the realms and accumulating karma which is done by good deeds.
In the reincarnation wheel there are 7 realms think of them as game modes i guess each one has a varying level of accumulating karma but it is accepted by Buddhist that our realm is the easiest one to do so.
You need to acquire Karma and enlightenment by avoiding the poisons and escaping the wheel thus becoming a buddha or a bodhisattva which is essentially a buddha but instead of going to their pure buddha field they stuck around to make lets play videos for the people still stuck in the wheel.

>>82116540 (OP)
Buddhism at best sees human life as worthless in that, like all worldly life, it is inferior to ascended life.
At worst, it is actively misanthropic and sees human life as both a source and consequence of evil.
But it made new-age weirdos feel good because it teaches you to "live in the moment, man" and for a while if you don't think about it too much, it is self-validating because it doesn't too directly imply that you are inherently guilty and your search for ascension feels like you are "becoming better" .
Keep in mind, that flowery image came from hippies who wanted nothing more than to stick it to their christian parents.
Which is funny because ultimately, christianity implies that all life has inherent value despite man's sinful nature and it is only the choice of sinful action and temptation that devalue it, whereas buddhism implies that life at best has no value, at worst is evil and you should wish for your own destruction.

>>82117800
>and you should wish for your own destruction.
the destruction they wish for though is the false self that propagates all suffering

>>82117754
>they stuck around to make lets play videos for the people still stuck in the wheel.
funniest description of Boddhisatva i've ever read, more so because it's true

>>82116540 (OP)
>Am I the only one who thinks Buddhism is a horrific belief system?
No. Read anything, especially from a Christian perspective, on Hindus and Buddhists from back in the before-times when it was allowed to criticize brown people.

I know from the Catholic encyclopedia that in the ancient days, Buddhism and Hinduism both were pretty respectable institutions. They cared for the elderly and sick, they took in orphans, they built things. It was good. But then it started circling the toilet of south asian culture.

The cosmology/worldview of the sanatana dharma is so depressing and obnoxiously pessimistic that atheism would be a preferable alternative. I believe this was Siddhartha's original intention to try and cope himself out of Hindu cosmology, and then why when Buddhism spread to East Asia, the best thing they could do after accepting the axioms as true was to sit huddled against walls and try and think about nothing and do nothing. All a Buddhist can do is try and clear his mind of everything to cope. And you know, once you thoroughly clean out and wash your mind of everything, it's vacant and free to squat in or occupy by demons. This is why Buddhism barely survives in its homeland, and where it does appear, it looks indistinguishable from Hinduism in practice.

I think on its own, there are a few introspective ideas that Buddhism has that gives a sort of DIY approach to your own psychoanalysis. If it can help you, it's not necessarily bad. Like I mentioned earlier, there are examples of extremely productive and generative members of society from Buddhism. But the mindlessness of formally ordaining yourself as a Buddhist should be avoided.

It's not about destroying the self but about recognizing the true nature of the self.

Human consciousness is in its default state ignorant and deluded about the nature of reality, which leads to suffering

Nirvana is not an extinction or annihilation but a state of seeing accurately and understanding truly, which allows for true self realization

Reality is created by the mind

>>82116540 (OP)
>idea that life is evil and the individual self needs to be obliterated.
Sounds based. You'll shrivel up and die if you don't continue murdering and feeding on the life force of other living things. Life is inherently cruel. We just like to think that it's not.

>>82117690
Ppl with egos are the ultimate npcs. They all act the same. Say the same things. Do the same things.

>>82118181
Your brain would fit in a small bucket. You are not generating reality.

>>82118195
Life is inherently good. The source of life is God. The further you stray from God the worse it gets.

>>82118218
>Life is inherently good
Then why do I have to cause other things to suffer and die to continue living?

>>82118224
You have to influct pain and suffering to things to continue living?

>>82118230
>killing and consuming creatures for calories to keep your heart beating isn't inflicting pain and suffering unto them
1/10 cope

>>82118230
>You have to influct pain and suffering to things to continue living?
Literally yes. You have to harm and kill other living things to continue living yourself. That's how being alive works.

>>82118243
I can sympathize with veganism but if you respect animals and treat them with dignity I don't think it's the sort of spiritually sadistic thing you proposed earlier.

>>82116540 (OP)
Buddhism is evil AND dumb
>Reality isn't real!
lol

>>82118260
Didn't update before I posted ^

>>82118218
how can you unironically believe a specific cultural mythos/religion is "the truth"?
are you not interested in universal/ultimate truth/reality?
what this IS?
i genuinely struggle to understand how you can be satisfied with god and jesus. its existentially absurd and surreal to me how widespread it is

>>82118265
Can I respectfully kill and eat you then?

>>82118218
>The further you stray from God the worse it gets
Job believed this and was God's strongest soldier while God let Satan torture him for his entire life. Then God came down and told him how dare you think you know me you silly mortal. Clearly you can't reduce God to a formula as simple as that.

>>82118290
Well, as a matter of course, your personal feelings on the matter have swayed me to atheism. Anon, while comprehending the ultimate universal truth of the fabric of reality, thinks the notion of a religious following having a community around it to be absurd and surreal. I've ordered my lotus seed prayer beads off taobao; I'm going to say 108 ah mi tuo fo's to align my chakras.

>>82118298
No, that would be murder.

>>82118321
The Book of Job is a literary story from the Hebrew Tanakh which imparted a Jewish idea to ancient Jews. Contextually I think this was important for them, but you never know. Maybe they were writing for you in mind. Next thing we know you're going to tell me that people are just being swallowed by big mystery fish and living out at sea.

>>82118199
Wrong. So called dego'd retards are slaves to the stars and eat mud all day long.

>>82118343
>No, that would be murder.
Your worldview is inconsistent, reflect on this

>>82118343
Even Christians believe that the kingdom of God is not of this world. You rejoin God in heaven after you die. While you live you're permanently severed from God by your original sin. Christianity is as much of a death cult as any other religion, anon.

>>82116540 (OP)
>I don't like it, it's not optimistic enough for me therfor it's invalid!

>Whale filters krill from the water
>Cow eats grass
>Coral eats plankton
Morons living in A/C
>>82118224
>>82118243
>>82118260
>b-b-b-but that's BAAAAAAD!
lol

>>82118364
NTA
you're just stupid.
To deny a qualitative difference between human beings and other lifeforms is inherently evil and leads inevitably to the death of humans.
Vegans are just as guilty of this as Nazis.
yes, fucking really.
If this is not immediately obvious to you you are intellectually stunted and morally bankrupt.

>>82118431
Huh.
Hitler *was* a vegetarian for moral reasons, he claimed. He said there was no justification for hurting animals. He even banned animal testing for drugs and stuff because of a hatred of causing animals to suffer.

>>82118420
Is it bad to kill things that don't want to be killed? Yes or no?

>>82118448
No.
of course not.
Murdering innocent HUMANS is inherently evil.
But killing plants and animals is not inherently evil.
Good thing, too, or you couldn't eat ANYTHING, could you?

>>82116540 (OP)
One of the core tenets of Christianity is also that humanity is evil. Genesis 6:5 etc.

>>82118448
>You don't get it, bro! Amoebae are evil, bro! They eat other things that don;t want to die, bro!
>Do you think mice want to die, bro? That means snakes, eagles, and stuff are all evil, bro!
>You don't get it, bro, whenever I think about how cats eat birds i just wanna CRY, bro! The world is so evil, bro!
>What do you mean 'have I ever given money to a homeless guy?'?BRO! What's that got to do with anything? Besides, bro, quinoa is EXPENSIVE!

>>82118462
>everything that serves MY survival is GOOD and JUST

>>82118480
Not the case.
A core tenet of Christianity is that man is *flawed*.
Not evil.

>>82118502
>Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of mankind was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually.
Sure bro

>>82118462
>couldn't eat ANYTHING, could you?
No, I can. I just accept that life is inherently cruel. To be alive is to suffer and to cause other living things to suffer. Just how it is. No reason to get so bent out of shape over it, anon.

Its about realizing you're truly boundless
All of your problems are coming from you no where else so it doenst exist in reality since it needs your cooperation

If it needs your co operation then its empty and pretty much does not exist because nothing inside can dictate what goes on out in reality. Its all Interpretations even Christianity and buddism are empty because they need us to exist. Cut through all conditionings when you realize they are empty and become one with everything. Every moment feels like ecstasy, every moment is pure bliss my body feels lovely because im not bound by anything. I never asked to feel like this either by the way.

Look inside and see you're nothing that's wisdom
Look outside and see you're everything thats love

But Holy fuck tho it really does feel like im high but maybe a few people here will understand me

>>82118529
Its not cruel tho we made the world cruel when a lion hunts a gazelle thats just what it does its not cruel its love thats its true nature

>>82118530
I don't believe in God but my entire body right now feels like im being kissed and hugged by god

>>82118507
>Then he wiped that out and the evil ACTIONS ended
man, you aren't even christian, are you?

>>82118502
>>82116540 (OP)
Nowhere does it say that life is "evil" in Buddhism, the scariest most spooky demonic aaaaaaah I'm going crazy thing about it is how there's no after-life per-se you're just shoved back into this clown world and have to start everything all over again.

Then again the concept of heaven isn't all that great when you think about the logistics and all the details or just the vague idea of having to spend eternity with relatives at a thanksgiving dinner table

>>82118529
>I have no idea what the words 'bad', 'evil', or 'cruel mean
FTFY
I'm laughing my ass off reading you fumbling through Babby's First Lousy Attempt at Morality, not 'bent out of shape'.
Since eating a salad is "cruel" what would you call a third trimester abortion?

>>82118546
>Then he wiped that out and the evil ACTIONS ended
and mankind lived forever happily after and nothing bad or evil ever happened again, the end.

>>82118557
>Correct. i am not Christian, I have never actually read the bible, and I cannot comprehend the difference between 'flawed so capable od sin' and 'inherently evil'
Reading you is like reading a war novel written by a 12 year old virgin girl from Brooklyn

>>82118364
There is a linguistic difference between murdering, slaughtering, killing, euthanizing, etc. If you killed and ate me, that would be murder and cannibalism by definition. If you killed and ate pork, that would be slaughter and just simply eating. However, if you rob a swineherd and start sadistically killing and torturing his pigs, I could agree that you're murdering them. The spirit you do things in is significant.

>>82118374
We have a blessed appearance of "the truest Christian," St. Anon of /r9k/ today lads. Very good. He will elucidate all things Christian for us.
>Christians believe that since the Kingdom of God is not an earthly kingdom, it follows that God is not with us at all and while we live, we are PERMANENTLY severed from Him, and thus all contact with Him is impossible, he can never be present in human affairs never ever, and no Christian ever in history acted in the Holy Spirit. Thus and therefore and thereby thoughbeit it follows thusly that Christianity is a cult that worships death.
It seems I am in no position at all to criticize Buddhism and Hinduism for their pessimism. I had entirely forgotten the central tenet of this religion I thought that I knew. I'm glad an authority on the matter came and cleared this up

>>82118496
I don't think I ever used the word evil lol. It's just how it is. If you're alive, then you usually need to kill and cause other things to suffer to continue living. I'm not really sure where the controversy is here lol.

>>82118537
>just what it does
Yes, the lion causes the gazelle to suffer and then consumes it to continue living itself. That's life.
>its love
What?

>>82118547
Samsara is nirvana
Heaven is hell

They both give rise to eachother so cut through it and find pure bliss in the now the constant

>>82118591
You are cheapening the words such that they have no real meaning.

>>82118555
>third trimester abortion?
The extinguishing of a life and all it's potential. And you sure you're not bent out of shape? Because you sound like you're seething right now.

Has anyone here ever tried doing 'past lives meditation'?

>>82118621
>cheapening the words such that they have no real meaning.
No idea what you're talking about at this point.

>>82118576
so what's the difference between the two?

>>82118608
Love because everything one does to continue is love. Thats the universe. The gazelle may be in pain but the world won't stop just for the gazelle. It may be in pain but it has no choice but to accept life. Thats why people suffer because they picture something isnt rooted in reality. That goes for your ego and your wants. The "suffering" does not exist thats in your head but the reality is its being killed to help the lion survive.

>>82118343
why do you assume i'm an atheist?
and yes, picking a specific religion to believe in is highly absurd and surreal. you have completely mistaken the map the for the territory.
it has nothing to do with religious following or community.
imagine if you knew no religions, then you knew all of them. do you suppose christianity would stick out as true or something?
there is obviously no reason to believe what you believe unless you were taught it. i assume your parents subscribe to the same story. or if they dont it was coincidentally dominant in the culture you were brought up in

>>82118343
>>82118745
is it just that you don't see an alternative to what you were brought up to believe? i could understand that pov. looking at atheists it's very clear they havent got it figured out either

>>82118781
>an alternative to what you were brought up to believe
Nta but I was brought up Christian and then I became an atheist after I realized Christianity makes no sense whatsoever.

>>82116540 (OP)
Is that.... a scary angry demon man? AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
Other religions are scary! There are bad things!

anyways, back to worshipping my tortured dying man nailed to a fucking stick whose face is always frozen in agony

>>82118745
>why do you assume i'm an atheist?
I didn't say you were anything. I only said what you swayed me to with your ironclad reasoning.
>and yes, picking a specific religion to believe in is highly absurd and surreal. you have completely mistaken the map the for the territory.
Well, the word religion comes from "re+legere" which means to follow a path that was laid out for you. So, when someone chooses a religion, he is looking to the founder of the religion and declaring that he wants to follow in his footsteps. For me, my religion is what you have argued for, which is to denounce religion and become an atheist. You, the founder, Anon, paved the way for me to know that it is absurd to choose a religion. I was dazzled and so I had no choice but to follow in your footsteps and declare the path of complete irreligiousness to be my own. It doesn't matter what you personally are, of course.

>imagine if you knew no religions, then you knew all of them. do you suppose christianity would stick out as true or something?
No, I would choose Anon as true. I don't need to know the rest of them, since they are probably innumerable, and because I know from first principles that they must be absurd due to the quantity of the whole lot.
>there is obviously no reason to believe what you believe unless you were taught it. i assume your parents subscribe to the same story. or if they dont it was coincidentally dominant in the culture you were brought up in
My father is a devout Catholic, and my mom doesn't care much. I wasn't really forced any way or the other. I became interested in Philosophy and Religion right around that hopeless age of ~17, after about 4 years of being an atheist vegan, and so I made the most embarrassing mistake of my life and I chose to "major in general studies with a concentration on Philosophy and Religion" since my uni didn't have a major for it. I learned about all sorts of schools of thought. (comment too long.)

TL;DR: No. It's all absurd

>>82118589
>There is a linguistic difference
Yet no difference in practice
You hide behind words because you cannot face the truth of your actions

To live is to kill and consume and it is disgusting

If life is good then why does it suck? If this benevolent God made life for us and for us to glorify him, why would he have disease, genocide, or death? It's a cope to be like "why does that little girl have cancer? Part of le mysterious plan!" Honestly all religions outside of Abrahamic religions believe that life is suffering. The Gods are either malevolent or uncaring. Greek and Hindu Gods interact with each other in a pantheon, unconcerned with what humans do. Much like nature. The sky doesn't hate us and that's why there are hurricanes, it just is. Buddhism states that this is axiomatic, and gives us a way to live life so we may escape it and get into something better.

>>82118781
I was brought up Christian but I was so le gifted child and neurotic that I always rejected it secretly and didn't think of it much. I thought of myself as an atheist as a little tater tot when I was watching vegan gains own the carnitards with facts and logic on my 3ds. At the root of it was my belief that the suffering of animals in factory farms was proof that good things probably didn't exist in life. Then I just slowly started to appreciate the peripheral effects of Christianity and noticed that Christians are always kind and upstanding people compared to anyone else I associate with. Jesus was a Pescetarian in the wildest interpretation of the Bible, and a full on Vegan in the (disputed) Gnostic gospels. And as the comedian Patrice Oneal pointed out, fish don't have any eyebrows, so it's hard to look at them and feel bad when you're killing them. I never made any ceremony about it and I still ignore the community aspect of it despite that being completely counter-intuitive but I am starting to think that it could be possible that Jesus's resurrection was a historical fact and the bible that was a compilation of Christian writers works on a mission to edify Christians with an actually good beliefs to hold. But without respect to that, I could clearly write it all off and sweep it under the rug and not have to explain myself by simply being a cringe but understandable secular Christian and want it only for the benefits it brings to communities and people's lives.

Blogpost II: Revenge of the yap

>is it just that you don't see an alternative to what you were brought up to believe?
TL;DR: No. I researched Buddhism too. I think Thich Nhat Hahn's autobiography is worth reading even if it is sometimes anti-Christian (i.e. wrong) sounding.

>>82118968
I boiled a coffee bean to drink this coffee. I boiled it alive, like a monster. There is no difference to what I did and sadomasochist murder of prisoners as I slowly dangle them from chains over cauldrons of boiling peanut oil and I sell their remains out of a Chik-Fil-A that I humanely euthanized the previous owners of with a shotgun to the torso.

All forms of verbs, if related, are interchangeable. Qualitative judgements are nonexistent, and there is no such thing as doing anything in any sort of way. If I was cheering for Liverpool, I'd be a fool, because this is the same thing as cheering for Man City. And what is to cheer, but to shout and be drunk? As my wife begs me to stop drinking and I scream at my daughter for not finishing her homework, I am cheering, which is cheerful. I am at one with the universe. Hear its sound through my rhythm..... Om...... Om mani padme hum....... Ooh ee ooh ah ah, ting tang walla walla bing bang

>>82118968
How is it disgusting to kill and consume animals for food?

>>82119030
You have an asymmetrically intermediate-sounding understanding of Buddhism and a completely immature understanding of Christianity that doesn't really grasp the gist of it. You invoke stuff like "the mysterious plan" without knowing what you're talking about, and make an egregious overgeneralization that at the core of anything not "Abrahamic" is, quote,
>life is suffering
And even suggesting the implicit opposite, which is also untrue.

So is there even a point in trying to extrapolate on Christian theology to try and answer the question? You won't change your mind from reading anything that's typed here? I truly honestly suspect that even if I tried my best, I'd be dismissed and passed up for an endless conveyor belt of topics like "but what about inconsistencies" and "but what about when Jesus said this but this group of Christians did that" and "but what about my right to gay sex in america" etc.

>>82119203
People dispatch animals in often in a completely disgraceful and uncompassionate way. Sometimes downright gratuitously.

>>82117872
>>82117754
i don't know what a bodhisattva is, but what does that mean? someone who creates content for others to consume is ascended and the wheel is consumerism?

>>82119753
A bodhisattva is someone who chooses to be reborn back into samsara after attaining enlightenment in order to guide the unenlightened to enlightenment and supposedly the work of all bodhisattvas will not end until all beings have achieved enlightenment. Folklore transforms legends of supposed bodhisattvas into deities sometimes. There is no actual difference in enlightenment powerlevel of Siddhartha himself and his following buddha clones. This is according to my independent study of Buddhism in uni many years ago so correct me if I'm wrong.

>>82119753
A bodhisattva is basically a buddha who did not go to his buddha field.
Imagine a darksouls player that beats gwyn but doesnt watch the cutscene.
They go back through all the levels relentlessly helping others get through the game. this guy beat me to it basically>>82119818
The wheel is not consumerism per se the poisons are basically consumerism in a manner of speaking which is part of the wheel.
The wheel of 6 realms(not 7 sorry).
The wheel represents the constant impermanence and relentless cycle of all things and is held by the god the fearsome god of death Yama who is basically the diet demiurge.

>>82116540 (OP)
>talking about buddhism
>show pictures of some shit from hinduism
you're retarded nigger, im afraid

>>82119203
Imagine yourself being killed and consumed, is that beautiful?

>>82119139
More words to suckle on for comfort, yet eventually you'll have to reckon with their lack of milk.

>>82116540 (OP)
Are you stupid or something? Nevermind don't answer that you clearly are
I'm not gonna say Buddhism is some amazing philosophy but you're talking out your ass