What are the downsides of emigrating to China from Europe?

They turn neets into coal for use in furnaces there. Be careful.

>>82140993 (OP)
not knowing chinese

>>82140993 (OP)
China is a shithole. They rank below countries like Serbia and even Iran in Human Development Index. Most countries in Europe except maybe Albania, Ukraine and Moldova are better places to live, in almost every way.

>>82141025
Im obviously not gonna live in some shithole rural city anon.

>>82141041
Then you're going to live in some dystopian hellhole city with lots of pollution, lots of congestion and buildings that sometimes collapse for no good reason. And with unbearably hot weather in a lot of places, along with natural disasters like severe storms and quakes.
And you know, the whole CCP thing with mass surveillence and no worker's rights.
As I said, it's a shithole. You can live well there if you get rich, but you'll be an immigrant with likely little grasp of the language, so you're unlikely to make it big there.

>>82140993 (OP)
>What are the downsides of emigrating to China from Europe?
China

>>82141064
The longer you went on the more it began to sound like america.

>>82140993 (OP)
Pollution isn't pleasant honestly and if you don't know Chinese you'd probably have a hard time actually emigrating there.
I went there for a little bit and besides those it was fun and nice. If you like Asians you'll feel like you died and went to heaven honestly.

>>82141064
>dystopian hellhole city with lots of pollution, lots of congestion and buildings that sometimes collapse for no good reason.
Just like Berlin!

Culture shocks. Despite their RGB LED gaming skyscrapers, their culture is still chinktoid, barely influenced by european traditional values. Think of going to a restaurant and being served living animals in your plate, people taking a shit on the street, spitting, CCP agents spying on you 24/7, individualism like you have never seen before, hive minds with no room for independent anythin, etc.

>>82141064
>dystopian hellhole city with lots of pollution, lots of congestion and buildings that sometimes collapse for no good reason.
Just like New York!

>>82141095
That sounds like most American cities so what's the big deal. Plus I get the vitality of an animal

>>82141146
Terrible bait. The USA is not even close to east asia in terms of being shit. Go to the r/china subreddit to see the sexpats constant nagging so you can see by yourself

>>82140993 (OP)
1. Needing to learn Mandarin (if you're not willing to do this, just forget about it. It's basically impossible to do anything in China without knowing it, since nobody actually knows english)
2. Authoritarian hellscape with no freedom of speech. You'll be fine if you just don't talk about politics, but if you're a person who likes voicing his opinions, don't go there.
3. Impossible to get citizenship. I think this is the worst aspect of China, for foreign expats at least. They will NEVER give you citizenship even if you live there for 50 years, speak fluent Mandarin, and completely assimilate into society. They only give foreigners citizenship if you are ethnically Chinese. EVEN if you were born there, you still will never get it.

4) Pollution

5) Unstable infrastructure. Anything can break anytime, because of lack of building regulations and restriction. Corruption and bribery also makes things less than adequately maintained.

6) Basically a worse version of Taiwan


PROS:

1) You can live a fully modern lifestyle in some of their cities, which rival some American ones
2) Technologically very advanced
3) Very tasty food
4) People are less racist than Japan or Korea (but still a bit racist). Foreigners are looked more fondly there
5) Crime is WAY lower than America in almost every aspect. I would walk alone at night in Beijing but not Los Angeles
6) Cool asf culture (if you ignore communism)

>>82141172
Oh I must have been mistaken, cities like Philly, Baltimore, NYC and San Francisco are actually the pinnacles of habitation. I'm not interested in your homesick sexpat forum.

>>82141172
Nta but american cities are filled with trash and in the big ones with actual shit, spitters, heavy surveillance (atlanta and new york being in the top of most heavily surveilled cities right after china), hive minds yet people not knowing their own neighbours. Urban sprawl is one hell of a thing.

>>82141214
>>82141206
The difference being that in America you have options and a choice. In China people cant even own their own homes, they are leased for X amount of years but ultimately under the control of the state. If you dont like your neighborhood you can't just move to another place unless you meet a specific criteria. Thats a fundamental difference that transfers to many aspects of their society. You don't have a choice and the state reigns supreme

>>82141193
Thanks for actually bringing something worthwhile to this thread.
1. Yeah, Im planning to learn Mandarin before going there.
2. Dont really care about expressing my politics.
3. Just found out they dont really allow dual citizenship. Yeah, thats a con.

As for the pros, Im white, so its not like I need to worry about racism.

>>82141243
>dual citizenship
They straight out don't allow foreigners to be citizens at all

>>82141263
Did a search about it and its not that hard if you already have a place to live there or marry a chinese citizen.

>>82141242
Oh boohoo, a 99 year leasehold! Congrats you've described almost the entirety of the the UK housing market. Let's not even get into eminent domain rules in the US- when the state wants a freeway where you live, bend over.

And no shit, that's why you'd not go there unless you were highly skilled and able to move between employers. Unless you thought putting together iPhones would be a viable lifestyle.

>>82141290
Search the youtuber "Jabiertzo". Has been in China for like 15 years now, has a wife, a daughter, PhD studies that took place in China, doing pro CCP propaganda for free and only got his permanent residency permit like 2 years ago. Still not a citizen lmao

>>82141304
Look man, China looks like a cool place to explore for 1 or 2 years if you can get a chill job as english or sports teacher, but I would never think of it as a place to build a life in. The whole structure is clearly designed to keep non chinese people out

>>82141064
>dystopian hellhole city with lots of pollution, lots of congestion and buildings that sometimes collapse for no good reason.
Just like London!

>>82141242
Sure but china is at the end of the day homogenous which influences entire aspects of living there as well. American rural life btfos all but 80% of americans live in an urban area.

>>82141326
Does he pay taxes there or for his homecountry?

You could live in Macau or Hong Kong, they enjoy a much larger degree of freedom than mainland(even post crackdown) and are a lot more accommodating to foreigners, but they are both very expensive. Taiwan is a lot more accessible to westerners but it might turn into Ukraine 2.0 within a few years so I'd stay away. I would suggest moving to one of the big and developed Thailand or Indonesia cities with a lot of western diasporas like Bali or something since they are cheaper, East Asia is nearby for you to visit whenever you feel like it, people there arent as racist or xenophobic as east asians, and aside from Philippines the chance of them getting dragged into a US vs China war in the near future is a lot smaller

>>82141559
>people there arent as racist as east asians
Im WHITE. Blonde. Why are you guys assuming im black lol

>>82141193
>4) People are less racist than Japan or Korea (but still a bit racist). Foreigners are looked more fondly there
Kek what? There were vids and news of Chinese physically assaulting foreigners due to politics or some made up excuse of "insulting Chinese people". You'll never get that shit in Japan (and probably Korea) unless you're an obnoxious Kick streamer who deliberately antagonizes the locals. Also they would treat you like a circus attraction because they're so unused to non Asians.

There's literally no good reason to live in China unless you're rich and Chinese, and even then you're better off in the West. Maybe it's only a good destination for Russian men who wanna escape being sent to die in Ukraine. They like Russians there because they're both totalitarian dictatorships that shit on human rights.

>>82140993 (OP)
Learning Chinese. And the pollution I guess.

>>82140993 (OP)
Pros
>sexy asian waifu
Downsides
>strict asian bug society and youll always be an outsider and if youre kids dont look 100% asian they will be too

>>82140993 (OP)
its fucking shithole China

>>82140993 (OP)
One of my relatives got offered a high paying job in Shenyang, China in the 2000s. He turned it down. Why? Because pollution readings to this day defy measurable scales. It's gotten better, there are new environmental regulations now. But at the same time, both the central and provincial governments turn a blind eye to keep the industrial output up.
China could be licking the shit out of my asshole and I still wouldn't go. It's not worth cutting a decade (or two) off your life from all the types of carcinogens in the air that science is yet to name.
>>82141138
Oh would you shut the fuck up. American pussies never had to experience proper air pollution. I've never seen Americans instinctively put up masks during the winter as air cools down and a thick smog envelops the cities. Think that time when San Francisco was all red, but less sunlight, gray, and persistent for months.

china is a literal third world shithole, africa-tier low wage, subhuman culture and full of uncivilised subhuman chinese, no freedom of press

>>82143237
Nah you shut up, airquality might not be as bad but its still shit. I was actually thinking more of the random buildings that collapse out of the blue.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/22/us-news/engineer-whose-botched-inspection-led-to-nyc-apartment-building-collapse-agrees-to-fine-2-year-ban-city/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/brooklyn-building-collapse.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/brooklyn-roof-collapse-marine-park/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/27/nyregion/bronx-building-collapse.html

https://nypost.com/2017/10/17/construction-workers-injured-after-building-collapses/

https://time.com/3760587/manhattan-building-collapses/

It is a shithole
Picrel

What about that gay town i dont remember the name oh yeah chengdu

>>82143422
>Be told as a kid you cant say chingchong to chinese people
>Their biggest city is literally pronounced chongching
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chongqing

>>82140993 (OP)
You will get a lot of what I call Chad racism, all foids will be over you and all the males you mogg which its a whole lot will be enraged at and jealous of you, making them try to make your life harder in jobs and all other areas they can do

Chinese bitches can be hot as fuck. Plus they are mostly self hating or western worshippers and the sex is probably amazing. Sexpating is the only reason I would visit China.
I envy america and canada so much. They have so many chinkettes in their cities and dont have to travel all the way to china for some chink pussy

>>82143395
>have to dig up articles from a decade ago
Also worth mentioning that survival bias is a hell of a drug. Picrel.

>>82141326
cant wrap my head around how lefties keep singing china's praises as a communist country and then turn around and say we need to give citizenship to migrants as soon as they step off the boat

>>82143536
>Each article is a new case from each year in the past decade
I can also look up how many people get pushed in front of the train. Or how many women get set aflame kek.
New york is a shithole.

>>82141064
If you live in the city you're basically getting all the same problems you'd have in Europe but with worse aspects. Expensive a shit apartments, smog, no parks, every woman is a whore, everything is expensive and everyone is trying to fuck you are kill you

>>82141206
>SF
So over exxagerated by the media. Stay out of the tenderloin, the rest of the city is very nice.

In fact SF might be majority Asian already.

>getting stuck in traffic in L.A.
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>getting stuck in traffic in beijeng
:0 its just like the heckin blade runner movies!

>>82143395
>neglect vs shithole china where buildings were never being built correctly in the first place

>>82143590
>everyone is trying to fuck you are kill you
Nice

>>82143710
>Didnt read the stories were contractors got charged for not building the shit properly
>Still a nogcrime riddled shithole where people get randomly killed by junkies

>>82143755
basic building codes and OSHA standards means the roof didnt cave in at my school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwrNS74omvA
the US building accidents are just that, accidents
in China they happen daily

>>82143588
You can't possibly miss my point this hard. Whatever things you cry about in the Western world also exist everywhere else in the world and are usually 10x worse. You just don't hear about it. Beijing is such a shithole that it's AQI fucking topped out both by American and Chinese readings in 2013.
>900 micrograms per square metre PM2.5
>recommended daily limit at 15 (exceeded by 60 times over)
Has this happened in New York in this century? Picrel is December in 2015 Beijing.

>>82143805
I heard they keep building non stop to keep some kind of financial bubble of popping, Well I wouldnt care about safety also

>>82143805
New york is rotting away and the people supposed to keep it in check dont, a crumbling shithole with some of the most hostile co citizens.
https://youtu.be/Zqs-gqrdNwI
New york accidents are preventable but wont be. Because its a shithole.

>>82143856
Holy shit the chang cope is strong here.

go ahead, don't follow any advice here. Go for it bro, report back in a year and tell us how it went.

>>82143833
>Thinking I dont think china is shithole either
Lmao, I was just meming in the original post like the other dudes but somehow you focused on me. Misplaced pride in a shithole I presume. How many women got set aflame in china by illegals?

Just like to point out that its amazing that all you can do is whataboutism. Its starting to become clear you're never going to move to China you just want to sit in your European city and fantasize about greener pastures.

>>82143873
Read this one nog>>82143877
I never said china was good, just said new york is a shithole. Get mugged o algo eh y una chimichanga muy caliente por favor ayayay

>>82143856
Liberal shitholes where their policy is literally societal degradation dont set the rule for all tho

>>82143885
>I never said China was good
Literally every single time somone brought up the downsides of China that you asked for in the OP you responded with "but its just as bad or worse in the west"

kek, disingenuous little faggot.

>>82140993 (OP)
non-existent safety standards and rekt webm's

>>82143905
>Literally every single time somone brought up the downsides of China that you asked for in the OP you responded with "but its just as bad or worse in the west"
Just to double clarify because you might be nigger tier IQ, the implication is that you are going to China to escape the west.

>>82141091
>>82141138
>>82141146
t. people who have never left their suburban homes

You people have no fucking idea how bad it is in some places lmao

>>82143905
Im not the op fat retarded niggermongol.
>>82143891
I never said they did tho did I? I was just memeing in >>82141138 and I always equated it to china like in >>82143395
It is just a shithole, thats all. Never said china was better lmao.

>>82143928
You from congo? Hey man how is congo

>>82143877
I'm in Europe you suburbanite self-hating American mutt.
>o algo
You never see this phrase being used outside of American discourse. Us Europeans don't have Mexicans. Outside of Spain, we don't speak Spanish at all.
>>82143885
>china is bad with air pollution
>shut up New York is also bad
>china is BAD with air pollution
>I never said China was good
Can you elaborate on why you think China is bad? Can you show me why you (supposedly) think China is just as bad? I'm only asking because the thread's topic is on CHINA and not New York.

>>82144013
>NY is also bad
This is false though. At least compared to China. You could maybe make the case that LA was as bad as modern day China in the 70's but even then it was less polluted.

>>82144013
I'd also like to mention that China is a shithole, Europe is a disgusting rat infested dump and America objectively has the best cities in the world.

>>82144013
>Make a joke post
>Someone takes it seriously
>Engage seriously
>Call it a shithole because it also has shithole qualities
>>airquality might not be as bad but its still shit
Hello achmed, that last sentence implies I think the chinese airquality is worse.
But mahmut, since my original post was just a joke I didnt really care about the airquality, I just quoted the dude. Wonder why you didnt single out the others who did the same.
But you see kunta kinte, when the post got taken seriously I did want to talk about how new york still is a shithole because buildings collapse all the time, which was indeed part of the jokepost.
>dystopian hellhole city with lots of pollution, lots of congestion and buildings that sometimes collapse for no good reason.
But here is the kicker mwambwale *tongue clicks* n'gunna, even here it gets directly compared to chinese crumbling infrastructure. It is not a good thing to be compared to tofu dreg practices.
>but its le neglect
Same outcome
Now you may use your nose to scrape my asshole.
Wait you may actually be german hence the autistic lack of humor.

>>82144091
On the left the air quality was better than modern day China.
>>82144123
>doesn't deny or correct nationality
Every. Single. Time. The largest detractors of the USA are always Americans. American exceptionalism continues to shine as bright as the Sun! Bad spelling also gives further credibility to this
>even here it gets directly compared to chinese crumbling infrastructure
When? There isn't anybody in this thread on that position except you. And you are the first person I see on this godforsaken site to complain about construction quality in New York.

>>82144233
>No argument
Go moralcrusade the others now, "European".
Would you have had a problem if I had mentioned Rome? Dont answer, rhetorical.
>>82141091
>>82141367
>When? You?
Yes retard

>>82144292
>No argument
What is there to respond to? You're just defending yourself. Good for you, but I also don't care.
>but I meant this
>it wasn't meant to imply this, but imply that
It also would've took one sentence to come off smug and proclaim that you are actually Danish or whatever, but you didn't.
>even here it gets directly compared to chinese crumbling infrastructure. It is not a good thing to be compared to tofu dreg practices.
>By who?
>By me! Retard.
What is this argument? Okay, you can personally compare NYC to something bad. And? People say "even here X gets compared to Y" when they try to appeal to the popularity of an opinion.

>>82144388
Frickenschnackel

>>82144447
Nice argument retard.

>>82144471
NEIN ZE MUST ATTACKEN ZE OTHERS MEIN SOLDAT
>>82141367
>>82141091
DO NICHT SINGLING OUT ZE NEW YORK SCHEISSEHOLENONLY, "EUROPEAN"

>>82144447
>>82144498
Do normalfags actually watch this show still? Genuinely curious, why?

>>82144513
Idk the shots I posted are from years ago. Funny bot ep mustve been 2010?

>>82143946
I have a huge dick and have many child soldiers

>>82144538
>15th season
Nope, I'm not going to pretend to be a south park expert or anything but the show probably starting going to shit after around the 9-10th season.

Actually I think the show started going to shit after that super hero parody two parter where kenny stops dying every episode.

>>82144598
I wanna say thats a bit past season 10 but you may be right.
Honestly 10 seasons is already an awfully long time. Couldnt tell you what the current number is without looking it up.