Why do young women vote leftist? Why do they want to betray their countries?

>>82160718 (OP)
Leftists communities are usually white only while the rightoids hang out with non whites

Brainwashing at a societal level by a large network of talking heads owned by the same jews that are actively trying to damage society, they are aware women are easily manipulated by something having the impression of being a majority viewpoint, so all they have to do is repeat the same lies and women will join the herd as they are programmed to do. They don't want to betray their countries, they are forcefed the same lies constantly on multiple different platforms until they believe them, they are isolated from their families in school and forcefed the ideologies that the enemies of our country want them to believe. War in modern times is fought differently, countries are taken over from the inside instead of the outside, look how captured europe is by muslims that were put into place by jews, even their PM starmer is a puppet controlled by his jew wife.

>>82160718 (OP)
They got the message loud and clear that the left is funding them via taxation.

>>82160718 (OP)
generational thing because leftists (actually marxists) were the ones who elevated women in the 20th century, so they connect with women better today.

most boomer women are extremely far right relatively speaking. even if they vote democrat, most of their beliefs and alliances are extremely far right. if you want women to be on your side, just connect with women more. if you do this gender wars slop shit, then women will move further to the left and let China take over your country.

>>82160746
Jews are simply gods chosen people

>>82160770
Yes, they invented a god and then claimed they were chosen by it. It's like calling yourself handsome, very believable.

You know the ashkenazi jews that they tout as being the best jews? You know the only difference they have with the pure jews? They're part white european genetically.

They might have seen this graph or some variation of it.

>>82160718 (OP)
Giving foids the right to vote was the worst mistake white men have ever made. They repaid our kindness by voting for our destruction and mass replacement.

>>82160718 (OP)
the working class has no country
all they're "betraying" are the rich people who destroyed our futures and dominate the governments of these countries

>>82160787
>They're part white european genetically
As i said superior people

>>82160796
To be fair, giving men the right to vote is the cause of all our problems today.

>>82160718 (OP)
When they are told they are helping people and they will raise their social status being so, they will do what they are told. That one of the things Women care about. Social status.

>>82160801
Kill yourself retard. White men fought and died to free ourselves from tyrannical monarchies and establish democracy. Foids and non-whites came and just mooched off our hard accomplishments. Our only mistake was being too kind.

>>82160798
Those rich people are ones who work hard to make society sustainable.

>>82160812
>fought
lol. giving men the right to vote was a retarded decision. simple as. your hardest accomplishment was gooning for 3 hours to some whore.

>>82160814
no they don't, they just grow fat on everyone else's labor. A parasite class.

>>82160812
Peasants are too dumb to vote and most men are spiritual peasants

>>82160814
No they fucking don't, they invest outside their home nation to make bigger profits.

>>82160823
See this is what I mean. You have no empathy for white men. You exist only to exploit us. Kill yourself freak.

>>82160746
Yes I'm sure everyone you disagree with in any way is brainwashed by a massive conspiracy. How convenient for you.

>>82160826
parasite is literally the word people use for the poor class. they don't even work enough to make a lot of money.

>>82160833
You are a brown man though

>>82160836
It's also a word used for the financial class. They don't work for their money.

>>82160833
what is there to exploit? your goon cave? your poop sock? mens voting patterns have never led to anything good.

>>82160839
>the people who work hard are actually unemployed
>poor people are actually extremely rich
you are mentally retarded and clinically retarded. orwell would be proud.

>>82160838
Admit that white men built the modern world and you're a flea on it.

>>82160836
the upper class' wealth comes not from their own labor but from control of assets and capital, if you work you're not the one they're running things for

i don't know chad science man, why don't women do whatever you want them to do if they're already having sex with you? or are you more of a dial?

>>82160851
Unironically Asian men built the modern world, but a handful of (jew) white men created the innovations to define the modern world.

>>82160851
Post your hand brown boy

>>82160852
control requires labor. pick one and only one:
>life is a competition
>you have full control over your life and its outcomes

>>82160858
Look at this cope. Still seething your crush got fucked by a white dude, chang?

>>82160847
Unemployed people are unemployed because rich people put them out of work by investing outside of their home nation.

>>82160879
if you let someone put you out of work, you were never working in the first place. most people's time is valuable, it's not supposed to be a charity.

>>82160839
>>82160852
>>82160879
>blah blah im a tranny marx said-ACK!!!

>>82160858
Your countries literally follow western law and innovation

>>82160871
The state does much of the labor for law enforcement, rich people have outsourced that to the state too.

>>82160877
Copemaxxing is better than using a BBC meme while trying to insert a white guy in for the BBC. What is wrong with you?

they hate their dads that raised them more than an afghan rapist

>>82160895
The western laws made by a few key white people not those boring plebs

>>82160891
My time is not valuable enough for a rich man to invest into. However a regular worker could employ me to build or fix something if he had the money to spend and invest.

>>82160897
BWC is real unlike BBC thoughever. Ask your sister.

>>82160922
>My time is not valuable enough
You should be ashamed of yourself prole

so you want to live in poland but you're allowed to be weird too?

>>82160896
That doesn't mean anything. 90% of rich families lose their wealth within 3 generations. There is constant competition in the real world and you need to be an exceptional worker (or exceptionally lucky) to have money even for a little while.

>>82160922
Get over yourself you Marxist loser. What a pathetic little bitch you are. WAAAH WAAAH IM A FAILURE COS OF THE RICH. What an absolute failure you are in life. You're not a man, you're a pathetic little whining sissy wimp.

>>82160928
I'm not ashamed, I wouldn't even want to work for a rich man and his vanity.

>>82160923
I asked my sister and she said BBC is real. Nobody knows what bwc is.

>>82160941
You have no arguments, you resort to insults.

>>82160944
Go on fuck that pocket pussy in your goon cave

>>82160944
Your time isn't even valuable so whatever you want wouldn't matter much. Just beg for disability assistance.

>>82160928
>>82160944
No wonder so many of your ilk troon out lol. Pathetic emasculated failures.

>>82160718 (OP)
>conservative neoliberalism
>vs
>progressive neoliberalism

Either way you are getting screwed over by corporations and capitalists robbing you of you time, money, and rights. The only difference is whether the enforcers wear a rainbow flag or a star of David super imposed over the Christian cross.

Reject the false dichotomy of the conservative/liberal paradigm.

Embrace Communism

>>82160933
Yeah those families bleed money but what do they spend the money on? Useless shit, gambling and scam artists scam them out of money.
That money should be taxed and given to regular people for their needs.

Its mostly ethnic women who vote leftist, black and asian foids being the worst

>>82160979
>tfw the hammer and sickle are still neoliberalism.

>>82160983
how do you think regular people have housing or food? it literally all comes from rich people. the only thing we could do better at is forcing people to become doctors so that healthcare is more accessible.

>>82160718 (OP)
>Why do they want to betray their countries?
To take a stance against their own men, because that's what feels right for them, to be against men. That's the entire point.

The only way to sway them is to offer them a different brand of misandry. On the right you have the likes of troon crazed, "you're not a real mayyunn" bitches like Nancy Mace and on the left you have the usual problem glasses.

It's all about taking a stance against men in some way. They genuinely don't give a shit about anything else, even abortion is a take it or leave it issue for their voting patterns, they will just go with whatever feels more anti-male and tickles them in the right place. Some might just get bored with leftist misandry and just hop onto the bandwagon of right wing misandry, which in practice offers the same outcome in a different flavor, so even talking about women's voting trends is pointless unless you care about the underlying gender relations. Voting is a meme, this election finally proved it even for the most stubborn normalfaggots.

>>82160979
I would gladly work for the rich to kill every single commie. Shouldn't have made fun of lonely white men. Now you're shit out of luck.

>>82160999
Yeah well, they aren't going to own houses for much longer. Food they can afford with credit.

>>82161011
who said anything about owning? who gave them credit (and doesn't care if they pay it back?)

>>82161019
They do pay it back, wtf. No one is going homeless willingly.

>>82160770
Not even that
White nationalists will literally put Jewish people into power to own the wahman
You don't need to be a god when your opponents are literally retarded

>>82160988
Wrong

>>82161008
And that's why you will always be a disposable bootlicker

>>82161026
they get it all from rich people and only a small handful ever pay it back.

>>82161029
>Wrong
Nope. Communists are literally neoliberals, just look at China and Cuba.

>>82161036
They do pay it back with interest and wreck their lives in the process.

>>82161045
Their lives were wrecked when they became fat and lazy off of the generosity of rich people. The interest is a minor inconvenience. But yes you can still blame rich people, they are realistically the only ones who have moral agency in society, everyone else just reacts.

>>82161058
Are you saying rich people are moral now? Laughable, the most immoral people in the world are the rich.
Even Jesus said you aren't going to heaven.

>>82160891
There'll come a time when you'll learn a lesson about this topic the hard way.
Yeah, I can already hear you typing "hurr durr AI can't do [my 1-week-of-qualifications trade]". You'll remember this post.

>>82161008
>I would gladly work for the rich (for free) to kill every single commie

Watch out commies! The Cletus-Waffen is coming for you!

>commies: white men are privileged, fuck men, men are rapists, we don't need men, #killallmen
>commies: uhm men can you please overthrow the capitalist elite for us...?
Is this Marxist IQ?

>>82160718 (OP)
No long term thinking, no genuine knowledge of what would make everyones lives better, no care for the future of the human race, all PLEASURE NOW and protect the thing social media told them too

>>82161040
You literally dont know what neoliberalism is lol. Go ahead and use chat GPT to give you the definition zoom zoom. I'll wait while you desperately copy paste a reply.

>>82161087
No, Marxist IQ is "men should not be doing hard work and making jackshit because someone else is eating the cream off the top because of unfair societal organization".

>>82161071
1. I use AI and have been using AI for more than 15 years.

2. chatbots don't actually do any job if that's what you're referring to.

3. if your "lesson" is that other people decide how valuable your time is without any negotiation or self awareness on your end, you are a clown. you could automate away 99.999% of all physical or intellectual labor and you would still have an infinite amount of problems to solve or tasks to complete.

>>82161087
>quotes his own conservative neoliberals
>calls it communism

Which party freed the slaves lol

>>82160718 (OP)
Not a woman but I've found myself becoming more centrist over the years after noticing the same "all X are evil" schlock tends to be the main draw of wing idealogy on all sides. You can change out the word cop, nigger, rich, jew, commie etc and get a different ideology. When you point out their focus is on exceptions they all devolve into pulling out questionable statistics on why it's good to scrutinize their chosen scapegoat. That's not to say there isn't some smidgen of validity in every case, but the fixation on it is like a poison for personal accountability. Political discussion online and irl is flooded with apathetic slobs who can't do shit for themselves. It puts me off activism, protests, pretty much everything because I'll be surrounded by these types.

>>82161097
>you just don't know!
being delusional about your neoliberalism is not a flex.

>>82161110
Not being able to form a coherent political view is not the flex you think it is.

>>82161100
huh? that's the opposite of marxism. marxists literally force men to work hard so that someone else has what they need. it's not about fairness, it's about having a more centralized planning structure quite literally because the working man does not know what is good for him.

>>82161159
I'm a marxist and I want decentralized planning, even decentralized banking. How about that? I'm an anti-capitalist, not a zealot.

>>82161178
I want there to be more capitalists, not less. More small capitalists, not fewer rich capitalist.

>>82161178
then you're not a marxist, you're more of an anarchist or libertarian. although if you're using that meme word because you heard it in a crypto scam, crypto is more centralized than state issued currencies.

>>82161193
I would like more nations to act like China. World would be a better place if more nations functioned like China.

>>82161216
I hear they are investing a lot of money in Africa, which is a really good thing. Africans have the highest birthrates so it will give China a sustainable workforce and future.

>>82161239
Yeah and they are investing in green energy while everyone else is fumbling the bag.

>>82161251
Its interesting that China has the most (or 2nd most) number of billionaires now. It really proves that billionaires are the main drivers of innovation.

>>82161278
With an economy that big you are bound to get billionaires and I don't care about the billionaires much because the CCP is the ones in charge of things, not the billionaires.

>>82160835
Not him but you're either a woman or incredibly stupid, because what he described is exactly and precisely what's going on, and it's not a conspiracy, it's easily proven and openly done.
I guess it's impossible to see when your best shot at paying attention is being fed by the algorithms your own ecochamber ideological points of view, or the corporate approved points of views displayed in legacy media.

>>82160987
>White women voted for the side that didn't want them to vote
Can we take their vote away then ffs

>>82160914
White nationalists hate some random nobodies on a boat then praise Hitler who has ACTUALLY killed millions of white people and irreparably destroyed European culture centers with his wars

>>82161289
The CCP are billionaires.

>>82161328
Xi is the CEO of China, more responsibility than your regular CEO.

>>82161344
what kind of responsibility do you think he has?

>>82161352
To make his nation prosper, develop more industries for Chinese people to work on.

>>82160746
>They don't want to betray their countries, they are forcefed the same lies constantly on multiple different platforms until they believe them
Stop simping, retard
"they don't want to betray their countries, they are just fully willing to as long as they are comfortable doing it!"
Tired of simps giving men hyperagency and women hypoagency.

>>82161302
I didn't really read his rant. Sounds like you were brainwashed at a societal level by a large network of talking heads if you agree with him.

>>82161302
>corporate approved points of views
What? That would be the right-wing. Are you stupid?

>>82160746
This is 100% the truth.

>>82161410
No it isn't, you complete imbecile.

>>82161400
You're making the same women make: you're looking at what people say rather than what they do.
>>82161415
Great counter-argument! You totally convinced me!

>>82160746
>>82160748
>>82160796
Pretty rich coming from people who fall for false advertising.

>>82161424
You're not about arguments, dude.

Because boomers do everything they can to fuck over the younger generations

>>82161426
>>82161434
>poisoning the well so no discussion can take place
You're the worst kind of person.

>>82160734
>>82160812
>muh raaaaaace
>muh skin coloooor
>why arent you hating ur neighbor more? were u tricked by da jooooos not to fight each other more?

>>82161445
Aww, did little baby's feelings get hurt? Facts over feelings, right?

>>82160877
Found the projection kek

>>82161456
Ooooh you're a brown sharty-nigger.
Makes a lot of sense.

>>82160798
>>82160826
>>82160839
>>82160852
>>82160983
shut up you dumbfuck communists. imagine being against the concept of owning things rather against a specific ruling class. the most oppressed group today is the middle class who have had all their property stolen and given to you stupid pooroids to educate, feed and house you. you should be off dying in slums instead of learning how to read.

>>82161464
>muh heckin raaaaace
>dont you wanna discuss muh skin coloooor anywhere but the politics board, chud?

>>82160812
no the middle class fought for it and you stupid proles did the bidding of the jews and fucked it all up for us.

>>82161490
You right wingers are soo stupid. Would you like to go back to the time before the first World War?
The first time we got actual technological progress and widespread prosperity was when government got involved in the economy.

>>82161577
>Would you like to go back to the time before the first World War?
YES I FUCKING WOULD BECAUSE I'M MIDDLE CLASS DIPSHIT.
>The first time we got actual technological progress and widespread prosperity was when government got involved in the economy.
europe was fine for thousands of years before you proles ruined everything. fucking fin de siecle france was the peak of human civilisation. th only good thing leftism did was the first and second french revolutions, then we reached the peak ideology (bourgeois imperialism) and now we've regressed to ping ponging between aristocracy and retarded full fledged communism. just kill the toffs and super rich, stop fucking suggesting that we also need to feed da poors.

>>82161577
>Would you like to go back to the time before the first World War?
And own a house with a garden as opposed to a single-bedroom apartment?
And have a well-paying job that provides for me, my wife and my three children instead of having to live from paycheck to paycheck?
And have access to healthy, affordable and nutritious food instead of goyslop because normal food is too expensive?
Yes. Yes I would.

>>82161686
see even this prole wants to go back to a world before marxism. he's completely wrong about what it would be like, but the support is appreciated nonetheless.

>>82161696
I have nothing. Things can literally not get any worse for me.

>>82161686
You would have none of that shit, you would live in a favela with your poor ass family because you couldn't afford birth control.

>>82161718
I live in western Europe thoughbeit.

>>82161715
you'd live in a slum, be basically starving, have no computer, be unable to read or write, be suffering from numerous deadly diseases and would have to work 18 hour days. but thanks for being on my side anyway

>>82161725
You would live in a favela in western Europe, think about that.

>>82161730
>heh, if he was born during this very short period of time his argument would fall apart!
>huh? most of human history was actually not as terrible as i make it out to be?
>s-shut up!
>>82161733
>your argument is wrong because i say so!
>huh? why are you not conceding? i just said your argument is wrong!!!1!

>>82161730
>>82161733
>the entirety of human history were slums up until right this moment in time

>>82161740
>>82161748
ok so you don't want to go back to literally before ww1 as in the literal 1900s? you want to live as a lazy peasant serving your liege lord? in that case you are an enemy of the french revolution and the bourgeois state and should thus be shot.

>>82161740
Idiot, think about the situation before the first World War and extrapolate that situation to today. No threat of communism, no modern middle class living, none of the technological progress, imperialist shitflinging.
You would literally live in a favela in western Europe, maybe be a soldier occupying Africa or China.

>>82160718 (OP)
Abortion is the only issue women really care about.

>>82161753
I'd prefer any time period aside from the late industrial revolution when people were turned into slaves.
>you want to live as a lazy peasant serving your liege lord?
Yes. It'd be an improvement.
>>82161760
>No threat of communism
Only really present in the eastern side of Europe.
>no modern middle class living
You're telling me I can have more than a single-bedroom apartment that costs me a third of my wages in rent? Count me in!
>none of the technological progress
Oh no, no more washing machines or dishwashers? Whatever will I do?!
Your entire argument claims that the past existed of nothing but slums where people have nothing to live for, which is factually not the case.

>>82161785
then as i said you are a reactionary like the vendean rebels and should be killed like a dog.

>>82161785
I'm not arguing that the past was nothing but slums but with the current population numbers it would have to be the slums for you and me.

>>82161808
I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
I just want to own some property, be married, have children and work a job that rewards me with enough wealth to provide for them.
>>82161814
>but with the current population numbers
Do you realize you're imagining unrelated fictive scenarios in order to not "lose" this argument?
The entire premise of the argument is that living in the past would be preferable for most people part of the middle-class.

>be conservative women in all aspects, don't want our gov to give money needlessly, hate immigrants
>conservatives still autistic about abortion
>they literally overturned roe v wade
kek wtf
Like ok if I gave birth I'd just kill the baby and bury it in a national park? You aren't making me have a baby but nice try
I. Miss. OBEEEEZY

>>82161838
Or you can just not have casual sex with everyone you meet
Next to impossible, I know

>>82161834
>I have literally no idea what you're talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_the_Vend%C3%A9e
>I just want to own some property, be married, have children and work a job that rewards me with enough wealth to provide for them.
well you won't get that, you'll be a serf

>>82161858
There were serfs back in the 80's? Wild!

>>82161848
Sadly you are asking too much accountability from a woman.

>>82161834
I didn't argue about going to the past literally. There was a communist revolution in Russia, imperialist wars in Europe WW1, marxist movement in Germany that was bested by the fascists. Europe was divided between the capitalist west and the communist east and workers were given better conditions only because of the communist threat in the east. The middle classes were appeased for them to not turn to socialism.

>>82161869
so you don't want to go back in time before ww1???

>>82161848
I have a bf and still want to abort any baby we spawn cuz I don't want children

>>82161877
>I didn't argue about going to the past literally.
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>82161903
See >>82161785
>I'd prefer any time period aside from the late industrial revolution when people were turned into slaves.

>>82161911
>cuz I don't want children
Why?

>>82160718 (OP)
>>82160767
Women tend to care about child protection more. They're the ones doing most the physical work to create the child after all.
Since you guys apparently like making /pol/ threads, here's one that was just made where they found out a child abuse forum was celebrating Trump's re-election, and were discussing posing as ICE agents to kidnap children:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512819096/
The /pol/ tards were shocked! Why should they have been? Destroying social safety nets and attacking human rights was always contrary to child protection.

>>82161925
ok so you would be fine living as a serf in the early 19th century??? good to know

>>82161925
It was inevitable for things to turn sour after capitalist production left the west. Now it's in Southeast Asia and South America. They have a sizable working middle class now.

>>82161948
Yes, because it would LITERALLY be an improvement over my current existence where I work 50 hours a week just to afford taxes, rent and groceries.

>>82161971
see;
>>82161730
minus the slum part

>>82161941
So what the left wants trannies to groom kids in schools. As long as Trump makes you seethe and cry I don't care. Your tears power us.

>>82161977
Anon, you've been going
>heh, yeah, but what if [made-up imaginative scenario] happened?
for almost an hour now.
Are you okay?

>>82161911
Then use one of the thousand different birth control methods

>>82161999
that is what living as a serf was like tho, it's not made up

>>82161999
Don't you understand? The western prosperous middle class was a temporary phenomenon.
What did we have before that? The great depression, mass unemployment, malnutrition in the west.

>>82162018
Without leftist politics take that and multiply by three or five times. Five times the unemployment, five times the malnutrition. All because of no leftist policy was implemented. Five times the deaths.

>>82161989
Yes, everyone knows your top priority is harming people, including children. Even your anti-LGBT hatred is a way for you to stigmatize LGBT teenagers so their parents will make them homeless, rendering them vulnerable to child rapists like yourself.
Evidence that LGBT acceptance protects kids:
https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S2950193824000019
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40124-023-00302-6

You will ignore this because you're a bigoted little freak.
Your dismantling of the Department of Education was celebrated by the child abuse forum discussed on the /pol/ thread I linked, because they wanted to strip away sex education that teaches what consent is:
https://archive.is/lSGIz

You'll ignore this because you're fine with child rape.

Trans people protect kids. Conservatives rape kids.

>>82161970
I would love to emigrate to a more wealthy country, but I literally can't save up enough money to do so.
And even what money I do manage to save up will lose half its value in five years due to inflation.
>>82162010
Then you are vastly mistaken what the life of a serf entailed.
They were given land, had to pay reasonable taxes and were largely left alone, were married, had children and spent most of their working lives improving their circumstances.
I shall reiterate once again: living a serf's life would be an improvement over my current one.
>>82162018
Yes, if you were to live in those specific times you would suffer. But guess what? Most of human history isn't like that at all.
And even the times of misfortune tended to last only a few decades.

>>82160718 (OP)
>>82160770
>>82160795
I just can't imagine why anyone would find this unappealing.

>>82160718 (OP)
Women dont have empathy so they vote leftist so something vaginal and subhuman like leftist allowing to be as amoral and wild as possible most likely

>>82162069
You think you have a moral high ground?

>>82162071
Your confused, they hate Democrats more than Trump being a pedo, and Democrats are also pedos so this is moot.

>>82162071
Trump is for most of them literally the lesser evil.
Their thinking is that while yes, he might be a narcissistic pedophile, but he's doing good work removing the already existing pedophiles from power.
And they'd rather have one pedophile ruling over them than many.

>>82162077
>>82162081
Democrats boost social safety nets that protect children. Republicans destroy those social safety nets. These aren't equivalent. Stop pretending.

>>82160718 (OP)
>>82160787
>>82160814
>>82161476
How Trump is Decimating Anti-Trafficking Services
http://archive.today/2025.07.31-103217/https://www.thecut.com/article/how-trump-is-decimating-anti-trafficking-services.html

>>82162088
Democrats create laws that make it impossible to remove pedophile black and brown rapist refugees from the nation. Democrat leftist are the reason idiots think whites are the most pedo demographic in the US and not blacks.

>>82162088
>Democrats boost social safety nets that protect children.
Exactly. Which is why I need you to give me your credit card details so I can check your purposes like a good neighbor would.
Go on now, post them here. You've got nothing to hide, I hope? Not wanting to hand them details over would be the same as declaring you're one of them pedos.

>>82162088
Democrat politicians are fine with black children beating white children in schools so child safety is a morality bait hook to get votes from leftist idiots

>>82162098
Since you guys apparently like making /pol/ threads, here's one that was just made where they found out a child abuse forum was celebrating Trump's re-election, and were discussing posing as ICE agents to kidnap children:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/512819096/
The /pol/ tards were shocked! Why should they have been? Destroying social safety nets and attacking human rights was always contrary to child protection.

>>82162101
>>82162102
What are you even trying to say you disgusting weasel? What a fucking dipshit you are.

>>82162110
If you send a white child to public school even elementary they will ruthlessly beaten and attacked by black children, and Democrat politicians do all they can to censor this

>>82162110
>the pedophile lashes out when he's caught

>>82162062
What more proof do you need than the situation today that the prosperous middle classes were a temporary phenomena, we are getting poorer and poorer as I speak.

>>82160718 (OP)
Because brown cock is the best, and you'll never understand that.

>>82160718 (OP)
It's shittest. They want to have their rights taken away and taken as spoils or earned from their fathers.

>>82162121
>Makes some lies up to save face.
Just shut your stupid mouth already, bigoted freak. Everyone knows conservatives rape kids.

>>82160798
>>82160800
>>82160801
>>82160802
Conservabros I found a problematic statistic...

>>82162130
I think our definition of prosperity differs.
For me, it's nothing more than having access to a decently-sized home, a wife and kids, and a livelihood.

>>82162179
Yes, being able to afford to have all that is prosperity. Does it look like we can afford that more and more or less and less?

>>82160718 (OP)
They're naturally liberal, but also easily brainwashed by the globalist vermin that has taken root in recent decades.
Considering how selfish they are in looking out for themselves, to the exclusion of all others, since fuck apps let them become overtly Chad-only, and damaging this already weakened society by triggering the inceldom boom, they really don't give a fuck about supporting or letting the globalists ruin society. A foid has become no better than a subversive jew, and is just as harmful.

>>82162179
https://youtu.be/J4qqIJ312zI?si=YtGxSjsiY8x_FARI
Watch this video. What is the cause of us getting poorer?

>>82162205
I don't disagree with you, anon. I think we're just simply talking about different concept (and because of that, we're talking past each other).
Seems like a decent video. I liked this one as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvk_XylEmLo

>>82162144
Both parties are full of child rapist

>>82162093
i don't care about child abuse unless democrats or faggots do it

>>82160718 (OP)
Why are leftists more likely to try and destroy your life or ruin your character if you have different political views than them compared to conservatives?

>>82160718 (OP)
like half of right wing politics is just hating women lol, why would they do that unless they have religious brainwashing?

>>82162418
>why would they do that unless they have religious brainwashing?

>>82160718 (OP)
Because women are traitors by their nature

>>82162760
You mean "opportunists".
And why wouldn't they be? It's their best option to stay alive.

>>82162393
because the appeal of an exclusive group is always greater than the appeal of an inclusive group. they would rather have a smaller group of ruling elites than a larger group of "characters"

Women are inherently leftist because leftism is not patriarchal.
>betray their countries
lol. Women have no country, and no race. They only identify with their gender.

>>82162439
>muh heckin innocent women got brainwashed
No, they're just grifting.

>>82163070
Not only did you misread the post I was replying to, you also misunderstood what my post was implying.
Good job!

>>82160718 (OP)
Leftist blame men for all of women's problems and always promise more money or laws that unfairly benefit women.
Remind this the next time a woman or simpoid comes to you with that bs of think about the women of your life.
Women never do that. Their top 100 priorities are themselves

>>82163174
Exactly. They could not give less of a shit, yet men simp like idiots for them.

>>82163510
>yet men simp like idiots for them.
You have two groups of men who have sex: the 20% that is attractive and has sex with many women, and the 30% that is content to settle down with a used-up roastie.
The 60% that remains is unhappy with how things are going, but are unable to change things through democracy because nearly three quarters of society (90% of women and 40% of men) are fine with how things are going.

>>82163130
errm actually I didn't. get better at inferring

>>82163615
>The 60% that remains
50%

>>82163615
>>82163680
>60% that remains
>50%
Your source?

>>82163615
>>82163680
I hope you are right man. I would be very happy if 50% of men were blackpilled about foids.

>>82164035
>>82164089
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ft_2023-02-08_facts-single-americans_01-png/

>>82162439
I feel the same way about most of you

>>82164439
I imagine that you do, yes.

>>82160718 (OP)
Democrats aren't at all leftist lol, but this is probably because women have higher empathy + liberal policies are better for them. If you get raped in Texas and get pregnant your life is over.
Also young men who voted for Trump in swaths are now not feeling strong disapproval for him. He's been a disaster for everyone and isn't even the based strong man you emotional freaks wanted. He's just sucking off Netanyahu and giving China free wins while things get more expensive and the deficit explodes.

>>82162081
What pedophiles did he remove? Aside from killing Epstein to save his own ass

>>82164524
Why did we start calling misplaced sympathy empathy?

>>82164570
Women are simply more empathetic by every piece of research done on this. Young men have almost no empathy for anyone but themselves, which is why you subhumans cheer on deportations ripping families apart and the ethnic cleansing in Gaza because it's le based strong man ruining/ending weak people's lives.

>>82164612
>You subhumans *retarded, completely false strawman* while defending the liberal order presided by the US that allowed for all of Israels actions same liberal order that has developed a whole academic system to push for women's insane privileges
Oh! The empathetic gender strikes again

>>82164645
Yes, it is empathetic to hate people who are cruel towards others for no reason.

>>82164668
That's why I hate women and the liberal world order pushed by the US

i would rather vote right or be gay than see this bullshit every ten minutes

>>82160718 (OP)
Because no one wants to live a rightoid dictator country where women are basically just cattle with no rights. The only people opposing this are incels or psychos(Rightoids)

>>82164701
I want to be a dictator in a real socialist state in which women don't have the retarded level of privileges like they have in a liberal state

>>82164645
What are women's privileges in academia? Democratic politicians are very different from Democratic voters. Democrats poll incredibly low for sympathy for Israel atm and it's still ~80% for Republicans. Of course, the politicians are bought and sold by Israel. Biden still was able to get Israel to let in aid rather than the current starvation campaign we have with Trump with full support to ethnically cleanse the area.

>>82164691
Just leave and live in one of those fantastic illberal countries you idolize :)

>>82164764
>What are women's privileges in academia?
Besides preferential promotion, unique scholarship opportunities and better grades just for being women?
Having the whole academia built a narrative to justify an insane level of privileges for women inside the liberal state and actively suppressing any finding minimally controversial about women

>>82164785
Don't forget how women are better at memorizing (rather than learning) than men and college is nothing but memorization.

>>82164769
No. I love my country and I want it to leave economic, philosophical and social liberalism behind

>>82160718 (OP)
Women are retarded herd animals that go along with what whoever is in power push OP

>>82164785
Promotion in what? If you're actually poor, the Pell grant is very generously given and should leave you with minimal debt. An extra $500 won't make or break anything.
>better grades for being women
Proof?
>>82164813
What country do you want to be like? Russia? lol
>>82164820
That's why they voted against Trump lol.

>>82164813
And it will never do that, sounds like you hate your country and everything is stands for, huh?

>>82164833
You're a tranny kill yourself

>>82164833
Why do you pretend to be retarded or compare being a woman to having low rent?
Promotion at any official position. Either indirectly by requiring a minimum number of women (but never of men) to get grants or directly by counting being a woman as a positive in hiring processes
Women do get better grades
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2022/10/17/teachers-are-hard-wired-to-give-girls-better-grades-study-says/
>>82164833
>Muh Russia
Mentally ill. I don't believe in copying other countries.
Singapore, China, Bhutan... are doing some things right (and others wrong) but that doesn't means becoming a copycat.
That's a very negative follower mentality that we've assumed under liberalism and another reason why I hate liberalism
>>82164840
Are you from the US?
Unlike yours my country is not based on liberalism and instead vastly predates liberalism

>>82160801
Western men? No. They tend to be quite centrist, secular and tame in their beliefs. Pushing for ideas that are logical and that simply work. Women are communist by nature and that causes issues everywhere when it enters politics.

>>82164926
>academia
>hiring process
?
>minimum number of women (but never of men) to get grants
That's illegal in the U.S.
>4% difference in grades
lol
>I don't want to be at all like any other country
Cop out

>>82164995
>Pushing for ideas that are logical and that simply work
Still waiting for anything to work better under Trump

>>82165146
Why do you think that playing retard is an argument at all?
Being a woman adds points in multiple hiring processes. Specially at public academic setting.
And yes we should stop following the US led liberal model without trying to become someone's else vassal. That's for granted
>Illegal in the US
Not my country but I sincerely doubt it (at best republicans changed it this term but real implementation is another thing) and probably an US anon knows of multiple cases

>>82165312
>Being a woman adds points in multiple hiring processes. Specially at public academic setting.
prove it
>vassal
so nothing you envision has even come close to having ever worked before, got it.
>my country
sex discrimination is illegal in the U.S. except like hiring actors or strippers

>>82165146
Kill yourself retard, are you a foid or just a tranny?

>>82165356
Where the fuck do you get your points anyways?
https://theobjective.com/espana/2023-01-17/una-universidad-espanola-da-un-punto-extra-por-ser-mujer-a-la-hora-de-solicitar-plaza-en-un-curso-de-cambio-climatico-en-la-agricultura/#:~:text=La%20Universidad%20Polit%C3%A9cnica%20de%20Valencia,los%20candidatos%20que%20sean%20mujeres
https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2021/08/31/612e04a5fdddff407a8b4628.html
Things like this are commonplace in my country and basically any EU or Anglosphere country.
You always find programs and hiring models which have requisites that favour women over men.
This is systematic
>so nothing you envision has even come close to having ever worked before, got it.
>There has never been a country that didn't suck it
Utterly deranged
>sex discrimination is illegal in the U.S. except like hiring actors or strippers
Explain me the whole domestic violence and divorce laws in the US thing then.
It seems like it's wet paper and that being a woman is a huge advantage

>>82162898
How does that have anything to do with my post?

>>82165487
>Where the fuck do you get your points anyways?
They get them from mainstream media 9 out of 10 times.

>>82160718 (OP)
Sorry, rabbi... I'll vote for the next orange cuck in 3 years, I'll make sure we cut lots of our welfare and send it off to your promised land<3 I'll be a good rightoid and cut off my child's forskin too!

>>82165487
>thing happened in spain
I said U.S.
>my vision is something that has and never will exist in any facet
ok lol
when the husband actually make a case to keep the kids them often get them. the wife often is just the de-facto keeper of the kids. explain the laws that describe women getting an advantage.

Because of marketing anon. Everything is for sale, everything is an aesthetic.
Looking at political ideology as a coherent framework of ideas is very flawed; especially in a democracy. Getting somebody to vote for you is less about making a real, logical argument and more about getting into their monkey brain and making them feel good. Everyone knows this but everyone also thinks they're the special snowflake that's immune. So you see libtards make a big deal about "muh empathy" while being some of the most resentful fucks on the planet while conservashits pound their chest like some kind of strong monkey man while being colossal pussies. It's literally the political equivalent of the mean girl wearing the "be a nice human" shirt or the pushover boy with the American flag punisher shirt as if he's not going to turn tail the second his bully shows up.
Welcome to capitalism. Everything is a product, including our politics. If you talk to some politically captured retard they'll come up with a reason about "muh rights" or "muh jobs" but the real reason is mostly down to marketing.

>>82165895
Yep, this is it.

>>82165895
That doesn't explain the difference. Why do men fall for Trump's obvious lies but women don't?

>>82165927
You'd be surprised, but most center-leaning people actually agree with (most of) what Trump has been doing and is planning on doing.
And most women lean left because they are hardwired to think through emotions rather than logic.

>>82165852
>The US doesn't work like that
The US is the source of the whole international liberal regime (Bush new world order, American century and so on) and absolutely works like that
>You can't support any alternative
Beyond deranged
>when the husband actually make a case to keep the kids them often get them
Is not when the husband wants but when his lawyers see a clear opportunity.
80 percent of the children go to the mother after divorce because all the jurisprudence is heavily skewed towards the mother.
Any Western country is de facto a matriarchy (women have the power over the family)
It has nothing to do with traditional roles because ancient regime societies used to give the custody to the father (patriarchy)
>But, but
>explain the laws that describe women getting an advantage.
Almost all the domestic violence procedures follow the Duluth model which assumes that the male is the perpetrator in all cases.
When applied the man has to prove his innocence instead of being assumed innocent like in any other judicial procedure.
This model allows abusive women to use the force of the state against their husbands

Like where the fuck do you get anything you say?
It's as if you lived outside of reality and systematically responded to everything as if it was completely unheard of

>>82165927
Because women automatically distrust men to a degree. And have you seen him speak? He speaks like he has down syndrome and makes retarded faces.

>>82165852
Retarded cuntoid

>>82165969
Not sure about that. Political decisions are always emotional. Trump's promises to raise prices to counter inflation is self-contradictory but won over men.
>>82165996
So why do "logical" men fall for his gimmick?

>>82165969
Do logical men also like him being a pedophile rapist?

>>82165996
I wouldn't say so. Trump is well liked between religious women, Boomer women and married women.
Specially if the woman is also White.
Single women, nonwhite women and men career women dislike Trump.
This looks like these groups have completely opposed interests

>>82165993
People like him live in an echo chamber that immediately silences opposition, then come to 4chan touting their truth as if it was reality.
They have not actually had to defend their points, provide real examples, or even experience what they say or argue against.

That's why I love 4chan still, you get the real golden truth underneath the pile of retards.

>>82166047
Every single politician, at least in a liberal democracy, is either a rapist or covers up for rape.
This is what happens when you have an almost unaccountable elite that's divorced from the people.
That an Israeli intelligence group (Mega) has blackmail material on everyone.
Then people will blame their fellow citizen for voting A instead of B

>>82166029
>Trump's promises to raise prices to counter inflation
What? Are you talking about the tariffs?
>why do "logical" men fall for his gimmick?
Because he is the more logical choice.
>>82166047
>like
No one likes pedophiles, anon.
But if you had to choose to choose between electing a scumbag, who has plans that might fix your country's economy in 15 years, or electing someone who has shown no plans to fix the economy whatsoever, the logical option would be the former.

>>82166059
Hm, I'd say that's mostly due to those types of women being homemakers and listening to what their partners desire. None of the politics actually harm them because they are taken care of. Already have a home, are already married. He also likes to appeal to Christians, and they will follow anything if you slap god onto it.
Women who want to live on their own are directly opposed by a lot of the things hardcore republicans want. It makes more sense for women to vote to bring themselves more rights.
He also has shown that he clearly hates "minorities" (whatever you consider those to be), so none of those women would want to vote him.
>>82166029
>So why do "logical" men fall for his gimmick?
I am not one of those self-proclaimed logical men, so I have no answer. The only people I fully understand supporting Trump are blue collar workers.

>>82166087
Well Epstein was killed under Trump, he was best friends with Trump for a decade, Trump wanted to hire him in 2016, he's trying to get Ghislaine out of jail and wished her well. It's just not really the same at all kek.
>>82166090
>pic
Yeah he's super unpopular lol. Also, of course import taxes by default raise prices.
>might fix your country's economy
How that's worked lol. Exploding the deficit, terrible GDP reports, terrible jobs reports, etc. More H1b's too!

>>82166117
You haven't deal with married women if you think that they just passively obey their husbands.
Religious women are usually more passionate about it than their husbands both in taking part of the community and voting conservative.
Conservative women, specially the vocal ones have strong opinions.
>It makes more sense for women to vote to bring themselves more rights.
That's why I consider liberal democracy antisocial in nature. It just divides people into client groups that seek benefits at the expenses of the rest.
For nonwhite women two scoops of that.
That be said religious people do the same trying to impose their bs on others

>>82166178
>import taxes by default raise prices.
In the short-term. In the long-term, domestic products will become cheaper than foreign-made products
There is no magical solution that will solve the problems the US is facing. What Trump is doing is quite literally the only way to fix it.
And yes, he's been doing a shit job at it, but it's at least an attempt. There is no viable alternative, especially not from the left.

>>82166178
The list will never be released by anyone (Biden did not) because it would destroy any trust in the US institutions for some time.
It's bipartisan and it extends to business, media, sports and other elite instances. (Remember Hawkings, Bolt...)

>>82165927
I think most people who support Trump realize that he's incredibly flawed and lies about a lot of shit. He's not the perfect weapon to take down the establishment, but so far he's been the ONLY available option that isn't just a complete and utter establishment stooge. Sure his cultists exist and there are a significant number of them, but a lot of leftists think that everyone who kinda sorta supports Trump is like that when in reality it's less than half.

>>82160718 (OP)
this chart says half of men are voting left too. and what good does voting for right wing neocon zionists do for us anyway

>>82160718 (OP)
3 reasons
1. the left favors immigration, and immigrants are mostly men, raising their value because they are outnumbered
2. the left favors abortion, giving women more sexual freedom
3. women have been indoctrinated from birth to hate white men and want to have a ton of sex

>>82166401
What good does voting for commie liberals do? Besides opening our borders to all of South America.

>>82161302
If Jews are controlling what people are thinking and doing why were there massive anti Israel protests within a month of October 7th?
How about the streets of New York City?
>https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/flood-brooklyn-for-gaza-rally/
Or Los Angeles?
>https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-los-angeles-synagogue-protest-cc997c3116d12f159df138a0ba9be002
Our nation's capital, perhaps?
>https://www.npr.org/2023/11/04/1210669096/palestine-march-washington-dc-cease-fire-israel-protest-gaza
Or I could just hang out on campus if you prefer
>https://www.npr.org/2024/04/26/1247408281/campus-protests-israel-gaza-encampments-arrests-graduation

>>82160718 (OP)
>oy vey, you are betraying your country by not voting for kikes
Sorry, moshe... I'll do better next time. In 3 years time, I'll vote for someone who will take my welfare and send it off to the promised land. Promise. 8hs2

>>82166799
nothing, you're the retard who thinks voting matters. what have right wingers ever done to stop immigration? there have been a handful of rightoid presidents since they opened the borders in 65 but America is still half as white as it used to be. so whatever the right wingers are doing can't be much

>>82166803
It's all fake. No innocents died during attacks on Hamas.

>>82166982
Don't vote goyim.

>>82160718 (OP)
Because all that matters to them is black and brown dick and rape. Look at how they defend and excuse behavior from niggers and non-whites that they would never accept from white men. White men are purposefully neutered while non-white men are given passes, rewarded for beating white women and raping them, defended from white men stopping them.

Just look at that incident where a nigger in the UK was running around on a train naked and masturbating and running around white women and young girls trying to feel them up and show his dick to them. Some white men used force to subdue him for the sake of women and young girls and all of society and the UK government considers those white men WORSE than the pedo public masturbating nigger. Thats why white men are completely checked out of society. White women voted for it, asked for it, demanded for it, protested for it. Let them deal with the consequences of their actions. Enjoy going out in public dealing with rapist niggers, Arabs, and jeets.

>>82167060
NUCLEAR TRVTHNVKE
They vote left-wing to import in hordes of non-white rapists, then cry for the white men who they demonize to protect them. Fucking worthless retarded whores. They don't deserve SHIT.

>>82160718 (OP)
As opposed to that faggot in the whitehouse? Can you blame them?

>>82167094
what do you say about the half of men who vote left? are you just gay and want to complain about women?

>>82166226
Import taxes can work, but there was no plan, no infrastructure, and there's no reason why domestic producers won't just raise their prices to be just somewhat cheaper than international substitutes. The U.S. is not only suffering from us shifting to a service economy by any stretch of the imagination.
>>82166273
Biden didn't kill Epstein and there's no indication he had any affiliation with it. He made no promises to release random CIA documents as a ploy to look transparent.
>>82166355
>ultra-wealthy nepo baby only brings in random incompetent media people and billionaires
"anti-establishment" was always a meme kek.
>we're not all cultists
True, but the non-cultists often still have extremely delusional defenses, as we can see ITT.
>>82166799
There are no commie libs in America. "open borders" was never policy lol. Touch grass.
>>82167060
Least BBC-obsessed /pol/tard.

>>82167337
Half of men are simps, placating women and agreeing with them for the chance at a crumb of pussy. Men are naturally conservative because they want to protect what they built and what is theirs. Lazy niggers, incels, simps, losers, neets etc etc are all leftists because they want to eat the fruits of other peoples work and dont care what happens because they dont work themselves.

All women are leftists because they want power over men and society that they dont deserve or earn. Its also why women working and making more money than men means nothing because women waste their money on trash shit while men spend their money for the sake of women and their families.

In truth, women are just bad people. Not even adults, no responsiblities. Behave and act and think like children. Biggest mistake was giving women rights but what we have now is women having uber-rights over men and society.

>Why do women vote left?
The proper question is why are women even allowed to vote?

>>82167356
>Biden didn't kill Epstein and there's no indication he had any affiliation with it. He made no promises to release random CIA documents as a ploy to look transparent.
But he didn't release them. Why? That's because the documents also incriminate many democrats and people of the elite that support the democrats and of course the holy cow of the US, Israel

>>82167356
>Least BBC-obssesed /pol/tard.
Not an argument

>>82167408
they're always going to be allowed to vote so why ask

>why does [every group that never created a successful civilization] vote [to not do what's necessary to have a civilized society]?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

fun facts
- the average woman is only as strong as a 13yearold boy
- men consistently outperform women in general knowledge tests
- women score higher in big 5 agreeableness and neuroticism than men
- leftist language is feminine

>>82167650
>>82160718 (OP)
and link my post to op to save anons time reading through bickering by looking at op's replies

>>82160718 (OP)
>women are becoming more leftist
>have to look like I kill people, raid villages, and make 300k annually just to barely get a crumb of affection
I'm beginning to think everything women have done thus far has been for aesthetic purposes.

>>82160718 (OP)
The Left is generally better for every demographic except the wealthy. I'm more confused why white men vote right-wing when it doesn't match their material conditions at all. Like, as a working class white guy you'd rather work 12 hours a day with no vacation or sick days instead of having to live next to a black person? You'd reject things like universal healthcare, UBI, the end of foreign wars, the destruction of Israel, etc all because you identify more with the rich white guy telling you what to think and who to hate than the poor mexican guy you see at work everyday? It seems ridiculous to me that white men are seemingly the only demographic that constantly betrays their class interests in favor of some racist conspiracy theory.

>>82168821
Nobody wants to vote so they can be legally discriminated against, portrayed as the oppressor despite living in immensely precarious circumstances and made to finance groups that hate your guts with your own money.
Maybe the liberal left has a massive problem with hating white men.
>Also trying to portrait the democrats as a workers party
Lmao

>>82168821
I sort of get the logic behind not wanting universal health care and universal basic income because they don't like the idea of working hard, paying taxes and their money is going towards some random asshole jerking off and eating junk food. And you may say that people will keep working, but that's not necessarily true. A lot of people with the basic necessities met will just be like me and do jack shit. And if that culture grows too much over time, then who's going to take care of an entire country of bedrotting NEETs?

>>82168897
>Also trying to portrait the democrats as a workers party
I never said this. I've never voted Democrat in my life and I never will. The Democrats are controlled opposition that only serve to manufacture consent for Republicans every time they deliberately lose an election and whoops now the far-right has an "electoral mandate" to bring back slavery.

This is what the "far left Democrats" do when faced with an actual leftist that isn't part of the controlled opposition.

>>82168925
The problem is that there're not workers parties, at least with representation. Not even in the EU.
All have embraced either being a neoliberal party with a completely elitist view on social issues like the democrats (Western Europe) or being some neoliberal pseudo-populist movement (Eastern Europe)

>>82168907
There's never been a recorded instance in history where people "stopped working" and a country collapsed due to NEETs overtaking the working population. Generally what happens as peoples' needs are met is they just move to jobs that they want to do instead of jobs they're forced into to make rent. They're allowed to pursue their talents instead of working McDonalds. McDonalds workers are going to be replaced by robots inevitably anyway, whether it's by right-wing or left-wing policy, because both support automation. The only practical difference is whether you think humans should continue to exist and live their lives when they lose their job to a robot or whether you think only billionaires should be able to live and everyone else should starve.

>The problem is that there're not workers parties, at least with representation. Not even in the EU.
I'm hopeful with the current direction things are going in the US. The Democrats are collapsing.

>>82168988
We live in an era where there's more people than ever before and the resources necessary to sustain everything being much greater than in the past, said resources including doctors if you're going the universal health care route. I don't necessarily have a problem with these policies in a vacuum, but humanity isn't at the point where it can execute these policies without some sort of equally severe drawback, and I doubt anyone would even be able to agree on the way to solve those problems. But I don't know, maybe I simply have too little faith in humanity. I'm probably looking at things from an overly cynical point of view because a person like me would definitely be a leech on that sort of system.

>>82169052
>I don't necessarily have a problem with these policies in a vacuum, but humanity isn't at the point where it can execute these policies without some sort of equally severe drawback
I don't understand this reasoning even though conservatives use it a lot to justify not supporting healthcare or labor rights. Like...you know Europe has all these things and their economies aren't struggling. China has these things and their economy is thriving. It seems like a somewhat manufactured "human population crisis" to justify not doing good things for people.

>I'm probably looking at things from an overly cynical point of view because a person like me would definitely be a leech on that sort of system.
Another argument for things like universal income/housing is that letting people be a "leech" in an apartment with their food and internet taken care of and just allowing them to hide from the world and do "nothing" is preferable to having homeless drug addicts roaming the streets harassing people because they have no other place to go. These people are ALREADY a drain on society's resources. It's simply more efficient to house and care for them before they get to the point of stabbing random "productive" members of society or filling up the prison system.

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>there's no reason why domestic producers won't just raise their prices to be just somewhat cheaper than international substitutes
I am assuming you have no formal background in economics, because you completely misunderstand the purpose of tariffs. Let's start with the current situation:

The US is currently at an economic standstill because nearly all of its production has been offloaded to foreign companies and they control the prices.
Domestic companies have no way to compete because they lack the streamlined production pipeline foreign companies have.
The only way to allow domestic companies to exist again, is to remove foreign companies' access to the market (by use of tariffs).
Now that people are forced to buy domestically, new domestic companies can establish themselves.
And once they've established themselves, the free market (and government oversight) will ensure that the prices will gradually lower until they're even cheaper than the original price.

This is Trump's plan behind the tariffs.
And while he should've targeted specific areas instead of employing blanket tariffs, that won't change the fact that numerous companies have already agreed to start producing domestically.
It's going to take at least a decade for people to notice any results and at most another decade for prices to reach original levels.
Does it suck? Yes. Does it also mean that wealth is now staying within the US instead of going to foreign countries, strengthening the economy even further? Also yes.

If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask them.