Why won't you incels just fucking BREED? We've tried everything.

>>82166492 (OP)
Stable currency not controlled by an evil cabal that wants to torture and kill you and your children

>>82166492 (OP)
why exactly would we need to raise birth rates

>>82166492 (OP)
I used to wish for societal collapse, but now I realize im going to be old when it happens so I kinda dont want it. The young people are probably going to go around indiscriminately killing old fucks

Removing phones, vibrators, contraceptives and abortions would probably work

>What will work?
Rape.

Here's a fun fact that women go 404.exe over:
>Rape results in a higher chance of pregnancy compared to consensual sex.

>>82166492 (OP)
maybe don't teach women to be heartless sex obsessed assholes from birth via the media

>>82166525
Rapeland aka India is sub replacement dough

>>82166492 (OP)
the only way to maintain positive birth rates is through socialism. things that are necessities for having children shouldn't be a cost. in the soviet union healthcare, education and housing were socialized/. once they adopted western style liberalism the birth rate across the eastern bloc dropped from 3 children per family to about 1.5.

Capitalists rely on low wages and high housing demand to cuck you

>>82166537
Gura hates her fans you know

>>82166492 (OP)
the death of third-party spaces and the sharp rise in cost of living means that you need to be both rich AND have time to spend with people because everything's too fucking expensive
furthermore a lot of people get stuck in social media death spirals and stay indoors because everything they want is right there
>>82166508
if we don't raise birth rates the workforce will have a gigantic gap in age, which means a lot of guys will go on pension at the same time(pension comes out of everyone's paycheck, or in other words you'll make less money)

>>82166537
Cuba and north Korea are sub replacement, try again

>>82166492 (OP)
Female sexual freedom is the antithesis of stable families and many children.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out...every men just can't be "the most amazing guy!" to satisfy a woman in a post-social media world. Much less so when his reward will be an average modern woman, with everything that implies.

>>82166537
Soviet Russia relied too much on apartment housing (commieblocks). Some of the peripheral soviets like in central Asia and Mongolia did do pretty good with birth rates though and it's carried over somewhat to this day

>>82166492 (OP)
Because any woman I breed would have to be

>White
>Way younger than me
>I find her attractive
>And thin or has a big butt

>>82166534
Subhumans raping is obviously bad.

White men raping is of course a noble thing to do.

I'd breed if 2d girls were real and I could date one, or at least I'd try. I don't want to touch the current women in our reality, they're gross.

>>82166562 (me)
Forgot to explain why the apartment housing is an issue. It's not the best place to raise a family. It's better if you can have a yard, and relatively more privacy, etc. It's of course better than having no housing however. But this was a big reason South Korea has a shitty birth rate.

>>82166492 (OP)
Stop making people poor.
>but we tried financial incentives!!!
They never make up the difference between our wealth today vs average boomer wealth. Even if you give people a 50k bonus per kid (and you're not giving them anywhere near that much) they'll still be poor compared to the ideal.

Nuclear family systems involve neolocation: i.e., children move out to start a family at a new location. In nuclear family systems, reproduction does not begin until after neolocation. When most people are too poor to afford homes (apartments tend not to qualify as neolocation as they lack the space and stability for children), or can't afford homes until much later in life, this tanks birth rates.

Most of the world has adopted some form of European derived nuclear family systems; either the Anglo/Dutch/Danish Absolute Nuclear system (variable inheritance distribution) or the broader European Egalitarian Nuclear system (equal inheritance distribution; starting to become more common even in Anglo countries due to activist judges) which is why global birth rates are tanking. Nuclear systems are very sensitive to economic downturns due to the neolocation requirement (this does add some resistance to famines and such by tuning birth rates down while also enabling massive growth in boom times such as the 1800s); Communal systems such as those traditionally practiced in asia don't do neolocation so they can reproduce just fine even in poverty. But asia has broadly shifted to nuclear as well.

>so how do we stop making people poor?
End free trade. End mass immigration. End currency debasement.

>>82166492 (OP)
Have foids tried not being whores and instead marrying men who treat them like queens (me)? Oh wait - I already know the answer! It's NO. FOIDS FUCKING HATE MEN WHO TREAT THEM LIKE QUEENS AND ARE AMAZING NICE GENTLEMEN THEY WANT DRUG DEALERS WHO ABUSE THEM.

yeah he's been watching movies all day

>>82166508
Your life is going to be really shit when you get old and the crisis is full blown. That's mostly it. Things will level out eventually and adapt. Honestly, if I were Asian, i would be the most worried. China will probably swallow them up so they are going to be 60 years old with no one to defend them from chang bombing the hell out of them.

>>82166547
do you think this is the first time in history that population grew and then stopped growing?

>pension comes out of everyone's paycheck
Not if "everyone" of working age just stops paying into pensions, retard. There is no biological or moral reason to keep elderly people alive at the expense of younger generations. Your entire concept of pensions can only exist during a population boom, where your investment into the system will grow and return back more than what you put in. If young people don't predict a return on the investment, the system shuts down. It happens hundreds of times throughout history.

>>82166545
i don't even know that is i thought she was sakura.

>>82166553
while facing the collapse of the eastern bloc econoies and never ending sanctions from the west, funny you bring that up, g20 nations with socail medicine live about a decade longer than americans while americans have a life expectency on par with the small island nation that has seen some 1 trillion gdp robbed by an illegal embargo.

Like i said earlier the birth rates were higher under the eastern bloc when socialism dominated, cuba and NK lost their largest trading partners, try again.

>>82166562
housing should be treated as a human right not a comodity, almost all the gdp growth in the west is through asset inflation, and please try to explain to me how housing costing 1000% more while wages go up 200% helps people, that is a liberal capitalist mind trap. social and nationalized programs always benefit the population more than privatization.

>>82166492 (OP)

>restricting women's rights didn't work

Afghanistan has a functioning birth rate. So do many other Islamic nations that parallel traditional medieval Western Christianity and its treatment of women.

>>82166628
I didn't say housing shouldn't be a human right. I said the type of housing Soviet Russia built a lot of wasn't ideal for raising families. I don't know if it would've been practical to use different kinds of housing, but the Central Asian soviets and Mongolia might be somewhere to look for ideas because they've had above replacement birth rates.

>>82166628
>almost all the gdp growth in the west is through asset inflation, and please try to explain to me how housing costing 1000% more while wages go up 200% helps people
This is the result of currency debasement.
>social and nationalized programs always benefit the population more than privatization.
And these are some of the main drivers of currency debasement because they're so expensive and require deficit budgets that boost the money supply.

Currencies have no inherent value unless they're physically made of precious metals or similar. If you make more fiat currency units you aren't creating value, you're just diluting the total represented value across more units of currency.

If you want to stop asset inflation, going for a stable money supply will do it. But this requires drastically cutting government down to 18th century levels where it basically just runs the legal system and the military and does virtually nothing else.

>>82166628
>please try to explain to me how housing costing 1000% more while wages go up 200%
Because it simply doesn't.

The median home price is based on sales, so all you're saying is that wealthier people buy and sell more frequently. The only other factor that plays into this is that cities are growing faster than rural areas, so rural = cheap housing, cities = more expensive. The only way that housing becomes a human right is if you have the right to build your own house from materials that you already own on land that the government owns. Anything else is retardation and has nothing to do with rights.

>>82166492 (OP)
Women could get married and pregnant in a single day.

Men have found something mug which replaces our sexual needs in the form of online pornography and that is rapidly deteriorating society for both men AND women. The internet was a mistake

>>82166508
Economy will go to shit. You will have no benefits when you get older. Possible societal collapse?

>>82166492 (OP)
Hungary and Poland are reproducing

>>82166719
Mostly with African men though. Africa has the high birthrates right now for obvious reasons.

>>82166655
yeah the median housing price is based on sales, which is why income inequality is the largest driving force behind housing prices. corporate landlords will always be able to drive median wage earners out of the housing market. it's not the people who need a 20 year mortgage pricing you out of a home. It's the real estate agents who use housing as a commodity.

>>82166654
actually it's not based on currency debasement. even going off the rate of inflation boomers had more purchasing power and higher real wages. If you just follow inflation rates it gives you half the picture, you end up thinking that people in the past just had really high expenses but the truth is not only was their dollar worth more they had to do less equivalent work to make that dollar than now. Minimum wage in 1980 would buy you about 100 dollars worth of gold, but going by inflation the same equivalent wage would buy you less.

It's funny to me how right wingers areusually the people who understand the economy the least.

>>82166650
>wasn't ideal for raising families
why because they didn't have an extra acre for their dog to shit one? european nations have a much higher population density than nations like canada or america but have lower housing prices because they made affordable medium density urban areas not car dependent sprawl.

In america the lowest earners subsidize the highest earners, suburbia isn't financially solvent while the high density downtown is. it ends up with the poor people in the inner city subsidizing the already wealthy.

>>82166492 (OP)
Technology is progressing and making us obsolete. There is no unity or collective identity when it comes to individual cultures, that is globalism and western media for you. Nobody wants to have kids when life itself is a turd, you can shine it and polish it all you want but it is still a turd. You can have pizza parties, you can have managers praise you, but if they aren't giving you raises, if they aren't giving you pensions, if they aren't compensating you for your work then it is all for show.

>>82166492 (OP)
Nothing to fix, lower human population is a good thing. Better for the environment and better quality of life for the people. I guess it sucks for shareholders.

>>82166798
>income inequality is the largest driving force behind housing prices
not really. the biggest driving force is inventory.

>drive median wage earners out of the housing market
nah. most people still spend around 25-35% on housing. that will not change, it physically cannot change. there is a growing portion of people who spend 50%+ of income on housing, but then the rest of the economy would fall if that keeps going.

>muh housing commodity
housing is mostly just housing. people have just gotten used to owning (around 60% of people own) private property which is unsustainable in a quickly growing city.

>>82166614
Bro you really need help

>>82166852
>not really. the biggest driving force is inventory.
lol no, they could build 100 thousand new homes a year but if they are all being bought up by investors it doesn;t really mean anything for housing affordability, if housinf is treated as a commodity and there are casually private investment firms with trillions in assets where do you think that leaves median wage earners? What makes you think your 50k a year will be able to outbid several priovate investment firms or corporate landlords who have trillions in assets, this is so dumb. China has about a billion people and has a higher home ownership rate than america.

>>82166852
>>82166877
also housing supply is finite based on workers, not on investors btw, they can invest a trillion dollars but shit ain't being don without labour.

>>82166508
So we can keep making line go up. Line go up is always good. All lines, every line, they all must go up.

>>82166502
Sure, trump might take away your welfare and send it to Israel, strip the country of anything that looks out for the little guy, inadvertently causing people's quality of life to decay until they die an early death, but you should still breed, goyim

>>82166877
when they build new homes the prices drop. investors are a meme, local governments have solved the "investor owned" problem a million times before, it's just not that big of a problem in most cities.

>>82166916
>when they build new homes the prices drop
lol sweet naive summer child, no wonder you people love ayn rand, learning anything beyond 5th grade economics is too hard! :(

>>82166492 (OP)
Have you tried treating men like sexual objects yet? The biggest issue seems to be that women do not want men and are obsessed with being coveted. But why would women want men? We're framed as sexually cheap and ugly by nature.

So, yes. That's my final answer. We need to make men hot and worth "owning" to women, normalize whores, and increase our supply of sex medicine(abortions, surguries, embrio transplants, hrt, aphrodisiacs, sex toys, condoms, penis and height and voice solutions) such that it breaks women's monopoly on having sexual value. Looksmaxing and cosmetics and social upheval are the answer. Feminists had the right idea. They just hated men and their role as women too much and devolved into thinly vailed hatespeech. We need to reexamine gender roles in a light that isn't just (x group is a victim because I said so and you should be sex-racist towards them) and actually treats people like individuals rather than martyrs for "saving" women.

We need more sex, and that's not going to happen ethically unless we find a way to appeal to women's sex drive better as a society, rather than calling being sexually valued the same thing as being objectified or listening to men's emotions the same thing as emotional labor. We need to fix men's issues, not just keep ignoring men and making sex the worst fucking idea on the planet to women. We need to separate the men's rights activists from the conservative right and reserect hippies from the dead to disect what happened to the left that made them all become such hateful bastards to half the population. We kind of need a space beyond the right and the left to discuss and organize around ideas like this and it's really fucking annoying doing that with all the mysoginy and misandry floating around, bigots on all sides. We should love eachother again, unironically. So, we need the hippies back, in a kind of "collectivist right" but really it's just the left with the "not equal enough" people.

>>82166916
>>82166926
9% of the housing supply in my city are apartments, let me know if you think building more mc mansions will lower the housing price, you dumbass right wing cretin, god. It's ironic how you all base your personality on being le smart right wing economics guy yet know jack shit.

>>82166887
also housing demand is based on workers, not on investors btw. in 100% of cases, if the median wage is not enough to pay for housing locally, then the median wage increases rapidly. manhattan median income is 150k, cleveland ohio is 40k.

>>82166537
>>82166628
my only gripe is that socialism destroys the freedom of the working class as much as capitalism does and it frankly isn't even a debate given that both Lenin and Engels state as much in their works, and yes, the Dictatorship of the Proletariat is still a fucking state, I've read The State and Revolution and everything in there is cope for the fact that even if it's purely about distribution, you still want a "collective" authority to expropriate people's labor.

beyond the fact that complete socialism is economically retarded and beyond the fact that Francisco Franco's model worked far better than socialist models while being similarly embargoed for a huge portion of his regime, you people don't seem to fucking realize that it isn't free trade that's failed, it's the fact that the state has completely buckled under the pressure of a global banking class. The capitalist exploitation you talk about wouldn't be possible without the state, without fiat currency, without absolute, unaccountable regulatory authority.

I hate you people on principle because I do not believe the working class' labor should be expropriated under the guise of being a 'human right', even if it sounds like the moral thing to do. I despise you. I despise the state, which through its power devalued currency until it's meaningless, I despise you state-worshipping freaks who somehow think Lenin's model prevents corruption because "brooo the managers have workman's wages broooo there's no INCENTIVE to be greedy!" You people make me sick.

>>82166948
>correlation = causation
wow rws hit a new low
wages are high in new york because of the real estate prices, not because of the corporate jobs.

>>82166942
>if you think building more mc mansions will lower the housing price
building more apartments will lower apartment rent, objectively speaking. i didn't say that people are building more, i said that inventory is the main driving factor in why median earners buy less frequently and upper income earners buy and sell more frequently. most people just live in the same house they've owned forever and don't relocate. most peoples actual mortgage is like 1300-2000 dollars, but if you went off of median sale price (based on rich people relocating constantly) you would expect something like 3000-4000.

>>82166948
>>82166964
why doesn't new york have a higher birth rate than pre 1990 warsaw? i mean everybody is just making so much?

Ignore the costs of private healthcare, housing and education, muh gdp muh fuckkkkaaa!

going 100k debt for healthcare make Missouri more prosperous than norway.

>>82166525
If rape were legal and encouraged you might end up with genuine femcels as men can afford to be selective as to who they rape.

>>82166942
building more mcmansions literally lowers the housing prices of less expensive homes, yes

>>82166964
real estate is priced at what people are willing to pay. it's not inelastic. when people are "priced out" they simply move. that's the entire framework of gentrification. if too many people move out, then wages are increased to attract more workers across the board. cities can afford to do this, many rural towns cannot and simply die out, even if the real estate is free.

>>82166978
>but if you went off of median sale price (based on rich people relocating constantly) you would expect something like 3000-4000.
based on investors and landlords constanyl driving up the price of real estate, but yeah keep coping that real estate going up 1000% compared to wages maybe going up 150% is a good thing.

>>82166983
>birth rate
birth rate is based on many things but the current landscape is post-overpopulation scare where many millennials were brainwashed to focus on contributing to the economy rather than the community, and then we also have too many consooomer distractions which make people care and think less about sex and family. porn is a big reason why young men never become motivated to commit to anything like that.

>>82167005
>real estate going up 1000% compared to wages maybe going up 150% is a good thing.
It's a nothing thing. It's mathematically impossible. 10x of 30% is 300%. Nobody is paying 300% of their income on housing. You just fell for meaningless propaganda instead of just building your own house.

>>82166998
>real estate is priced at what people are willing to pay
and due to housing being a commodity/asset where billionaires and trillion dollar investment firms can pay whatever they want, it prices out median wage earners, It should be obvious to you that income inequality is the driving force behind inflation. there is something called a mortgage, median wage earners will take out a 20 dollar loan to even get a facsimile of what the real owner class have.

>>82166547
It really doesn't matter, this is clearly a problem that will fix itself. Sure, unlucky us who will have a poverty elder years, other than that it doesn't matter at all

>We'll be filled with browns
Who the fuck cares. Humanity is safe, that's what matters.

>>82167015
you think people aren't having kids because of idealistic nonsense? not the fact that having a child has became unaffordable? Fucking trump got into power how many anti white millennials do you think they are? Are people in alabama having more kids? fuck no. what a cope

>>82166937
The answer is just to stop treating women like children and make them be accountable for their behavior.

They're adults in a society and need to understand that their childrearing is a civic duty. Americans treat women better than they do actual children.

>>82167023
Inventory is the driving force behind housing inflation. Around 5-10% of housing is investor owned. Around 70% of homes are owned by the occupant. The only thing that changes the prices is supply, given that demand in cities will stay high and stay low in the suburbs/rural areas.

Need some kind of disaster (plague, famine, war) that will wipe out at least 90% of humans and then birth rates can go back up :D

>>82166876
>Bro you really need help... you like... insinuated that a woman could even do wrong... yikes... don't you know men should just be slaves for women and let them trample over us for crumbs of pussy
Shut the FUCK up. I WILL NOT date the roastie. I WILL NOT bless her with my presence. Instead, I WILL marry the foid who kept herself pure in body and spirit by remaining a virgin.

>>82166492 (OP)
End social security, medicare, and all tax advantages for retirement savings. Old people should only get support from their families. If you have no kids, you'll be begging in the street.

>>82167037
Where is it unaffordable retard? The tax credits alone paid for everything my children cost me. People have kids whenever having kids is normal. If it becomes denormalized because idealistic boomers were scared of overpopulation in the 1980s-1990s, then having kids seems like a complex and challenging concept to people. Especially if you have porn to eliminate the number 1 factor that you get accidental/circumstantial kids.

>>82166492 (OP)
simple solution, just let it fall until it stabilises
low wages and high housing proces should be a clear sign that there is a massive surplus of people, and its only going to get worse as ai takes more jobs away

>>82166492 (OP)
lmao the islamic republic educates women, they just force them to wear a stupid hat. remove foids from the workplace and the problem goes away.

>>82167101
40% of people don't even have a job or wages but still have housing. i think they'll figure it out.

>>82167051
How do you suppose treating sex like a civic duty would incentivize women to do it? Calling something a job is probably the worst way to get people to actually do it. Sex being a woman's "duty" was how the worse, but still functional solution for our species survival, rape, was justified by men and women in retrospect. We need to make women gooners for attainable men if we're going to treat them like adults, because what kind of adult would want to "work" for cheap? Do you consider it your civic duty to go fight and die for this disloyal, gobally hyjacked country? Or do you want there to be something in it for you?

Nobody owes anything to the world from birth. Women shouldn't automatically be obligated sexual value from birth just by social class. We need to make women less sexually coveted or make men more sexually coveted.

Women today complain that men suck and just want sex because there are too many men chasing their sexual value. If it was more fair(either men want women less sexually or women want men more sexually), then we would see more relationships and more children. And I don't know how to make women less sexually appealing to men(besides making everyone gay somehow) so, we need to make men more sexually appealing to women.

Betabucks men kinda work because then women get with men for alterior reasons, but that doesn't work either since then men just throw as much money at women as possible for sex and the women don't even want those men and don't have their kids and cheat.

>>82167037
>you think people aren't having kids because of idealistic nonsense? not the fact that having a child has became unaffordable?
Yes. Fertility is negatively correlated with income.

>>82166798
>even going off the rate of inflation
Inflation does not exactly match currency debasement. Inflation rates are modified by a variety of factors. Which goods are looked at. Actual productivity improvements making products cheaper in real value. Scarcity making products more expensive in real value.

You need to go by the M2 money supply to get an accurate idea of the real value of your currency, not prices of goods & services.

>>82166492 (OP)
CAUSE I CAN'T!! I CANT FUCKING BREED, OKAY?! I CAN'T

>>82166537
you dumbfuck every single socialist country is having the same problem. Cuba has a birth rate of 1.44, China is 1.0, North Korea is 1.78, Sweden is 1.45.

From communism to democratic socialism they ALL suffer the same

>>82166492 (OP)
Don't worry about it wen the west finally destroy it self at and they become poor everyone will start having 9 kids and a slave wife again

>>82166492 (OP)
>WHY DOES THIS K-SELECTED SPECIES NOT REPRODUCE ENDLESSLY LIKE R-SELECTED SPECIES???

>>82166492 (OP)
Look at the Mormons and learn from them(their birthrates have remained stable and healthy the past few decades). Polygamy actually works.

>>82166492 (OP)
>restricting women's rights didn't work

>>82166492 (OP)
Birth rates don't need to be fixed, what does is the rampant capitalist system that is actively destroying the individual due to the sheer size of overpopulation, mass immigration and the death of our liberties, I swear the lack of regulations on cooperations and the need for more is going to cause mass civil unrest sooner than later, I can't wait for my future to be about surving in a late stage capitalist society where everyone is too cucked and hopeless to do anything about it =), fuck the elite for causing a power vacuum for fascism to rise again, though that's probably what they want since they clearly miss feudalism so much

>>82166988
>you will never live in a world where foids are seething on /r9k/ about not being raped

>women have never approached me first for a relationship
>not going to waste my time dating when I am not desired
>watch many of my former friends seemingly get married while I've never been in a relationship
>makes me believe something is fundamentally wrong with me
>know it's not appearance. know it's not personality when even the most awkward people had success
>always overlooked
>isolate out of a sense of shame
>avoidance begets further avoidance - resulting in no opportunities to meet women
>isolate in house, never leave other than work and gym
>know many people (mostly younger than me) who have largely done the same
>cannot afford a home despite what should be a great job in very difficult STEM field
>cannot even think about dating - taking care of aging mother after dad died
>working over 3300 hours per year - still cannot afford a house unless I want to be house poor
>silently hope i'll meet girl by chance through work or similar
>work stem field with few women
>women i work with overlook me (even if we vibe)
>they complain about how there are no "good guys" dating-wise
>bite my tongue
>view myself as utterly worthless
>starts undermining career

I am chasing a carrot on a string in front of me economically. Years of careful saving were dwarfed by idiotic investments in crypto when I knew nothing about it. I 3-4x my salary in 2 years during COVID by being a disloyal cunt and job hopping. Company strung me along, claimed they were losing money on me. They magically found money when i said I was quitting.

hard work gets taken advantage of. parasites take their cut. women don't consider me even a suitor. my social circle has evaporated out of shame.

we have created a system that rewards the loudest and those best at lying through their teeth. We don't reward competence, loyalty, or general good qualities. It demoralizes those who prop up the system, until they slowly check out. i see little point in continuing. saving for a future I don't care to see.

>>82166492 (OP)
The only thing that will work if you want to maintain technological 1st world western democratic society would be a reproductive draft.
No amount of redistributing wealth from men to women is going to solve the issue.
No amount of social engineering is going to get women to choose lifelong monogamous marriage over sexual and financial freedom.

>>82166508

1/3rd of the world will need to die from plague and/or wars. It's the only way to alleviate economic and population pressures, which will then incentive the remaining population to breed at a healthy level.

>>82166545
>gura hates her fans so much she made ANOTHER loli vtuber avatar instead of just retiring
lol she loves her pedo audience it's just verboten to say it

>>82166492 (OP)
Literally just a natural consequence of industrialization. It's the main correlative factor here.

>>82167936
We're going to either see a massive war or genocide in our lifetime, aren't we.

>Torenberg
This shit writes itself.

>>82166492 (OP)
All this shit and no mention of trying explosive economic growth which would spill over to working adults.

>>82168015
Because money has nothing to do with it.
You really want to stop falling birth rates? It's easy but of course gets in the way of kikes fucking over goyim.

>ban women from social media sites
>ban all dating sites
>ban makeup
>heavily restrict usage of the birth control pill

Blaming economics or feminism is boomer conservauck talking points.

>>82168066
Spoken like a faggot. When you can't afford basic necessities, you can't afford kids. When elite needs more billions for more yachts and domination, that fucks the bottom members of the world. Do you want more indians and uneducated illegals breeding and having 10 kids per family while educated and cautious people have one kid, if they even have a kid, because they're too worried about stability and a future?

>>82167974
We're much sooner to see the balkanization of America than WW3 and that will be just as graphic and bloody for America. We are headed towards unmitigated disaster as a society

homework is getting harder and harder and i don't have time to actually attend the school my kid goes to

>>82168066
>money has nothing to do with it
>blames jews
>cites things that jews do by manipulating access to currency (thus resulting in commodification of humanity itself)
This smells like a retard trying to mislead people into thinking he's just a racist retard anti-semite instead of a based and rational anti-semitie

>>82168083
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED LE SHEKELS TO HAVE A WOMEN GIVE BIRTH TO A KID!!!
Cuck.

>>82168122
>DA JOOS ARE BIRTH CONTROL
Let's follow the nigger model of reproduction and have 5 baby mamas and be an absentee deadbeat, because that works so well for them.

>>82166492 (OP)
I would literally be willing to put a kid into a woman and take care of it as soon as I find a woman I love and she loves me back. Luckily for the world, this will never happen as I am a complete mental clusterfuck that shouldn't reproduce.

>>82167086
Dummie, it's still surer way to insure yourself than have children. Insurance trumps children when it comes to old age.

>>82168084
I don't know how stupid this sounds but I'm pretty sure it's in Amarica best interest to regulate capitalism to pre-Reagan economics and to start a war with whatever country to build up national pride, as in a "us vs them" kind of way to protect the union instead of the fuckery we've seen recently, WW3 could genuinely be seen as a modern day solution if it doesn't turn nuclear cause there's nothing quite like the existential threat of the nation to bring people together in a wartime environment.

>>82166719
lmao no theyre not, polands birthrate is lower than japan

>>82167919
Shit homie, you must be ugly as shit.

>>82166619
robots will exist

>>82168194
It would turn nuclear and it's bye bye Northern Hemisphere. It would be retarded to even start it. I think what our leaders will do is a controlled demolition of the country. That way they can make boatloads of money having civilians killing each other without nukes flying

>>82168240
Hmm, it's like there is a whole continent out there that has no nukes but has excessive amounts of wealth to plunder. All you have to do is make a sweetheart deal with France.

>>82166492 (OP)
>pay people to donate both sperm and eggs respectively
>develop cheap reliable artifical wombs that can be mass produced
>use in vitro fertilization to basically create your own state funded babies to replace older generations
>pay women to become mothers for pay for these newborn children

>>82168280
This will create a lot of fucked up people

The birth rate is leveling out and that's a good thing.
Overpopulation is a bigger threat to stability and the environment more than anything.
Almost everyone agrees that a levelling birthrate is good and natural.
The only people who actually do give a shit are literal right wing trad larpers because of angry misplaced conservative religious ideals. Insane Chuds who believe in wild fantasies about malthusian collapse or whatever. And journalists who are looking for a crazy headline to attract readers.

Politicians don't give a shit. Scientists don't give a shit. Economists don't give a shit.
Before we get any issues from underpopulation, things like a robust job market, migration, and automation will correct it.
Making people guilty for living their lives how they want is just idiotic.

>>82168240
I mean you can always just go after countries that's none-nuclear, come up with rhetoric that Mexico is an existential threat and that the cartels there is building nukes against the American people, the idiots would eat it up if done correctly, cause for as much as I like South America and Mexico, it is an easy target for the American people to fall for such propaganda in time, even Africa could be a region to target if done right, the union is always at it strongest when put under an existential threat so fabricating one would do the same if done correctly

>>82168300
it isn't very different from how it is today tho

>>82168302
Economists give a shit, leveling of population growth leads into a leveling of economic growth. That leads to unserviceable debt levels and you can say bye bye to a market economy.

>>82168129
Let me break down for you so that you can understand it better.
Social media gives women all the attention they need, they no longer need to rely on irl friends or seeking out a partner to get their irl (you) fix.
Dating apps hyperinflate women's standards while conversely destroying their ability to rate men's attractiveness. See: women complaining that porn gives men unrealistic standards. That's just projection on their part.
Makeup allows women to "cheat" at their physical appearence, which further inflates their ego and makes them think even more men don't meet their standards.
Birth control pill one is a no-brainer. Women will choose to pop those pills (despite studies showing it has serious negative impacts on them and warps their sexual preferences) instead of giving birth to children.

>>82166492 (OP)
I did a bunch of bleaching abroad if that counts

Iirc mongolia still doing alright and the main thing is they have a culture that deeply respects motherhood.
If a mongolian woman has a high amount of kids, she even gets declared a national hero

>>82168314
not sure why you are willing to say something so stupid

>>82168348
And that is all fine and dandy but that doesn't negate the economic factor to having children. We don't live in the pre social media world you have described, we live in a modern world where being able to provide for yourself and your family is a concern. You want to make sure you can afford to have a kid and not have that extra stress killing you before you get to it.

>>82168375
There is no economic factor. You can give people a million bucks every day and that won't do anything for birth rates, because you're not treating the symptoms. You're not even treating the cause.

>>82168383
Those symptoms could only exist in a world where technology accelerates at a much faster rate than human evolution. We're being outdone by progress, we can't catch up fast enough to adapt and evolve alongside it.

>>82168418
Technocucks and porn watchers can only blame themselves though. The "progress" isn't just sneaking up on them, they actively choose to adopt lifestyles that prevent them from having kids.

>>82166492 (OP)
>mfw waiting for women to get so desperate they start straight up attacking 'average' men once Chad leaves them alone as well
Maybe start actually listening to men instead of screaming how we're all violent, misogynist, rapacious animals who deserve to die alone. That or choose the bear and stop bothering us.

>>82168439
You should try listening to normal women and not larpers on the internet who want your clicks and views.

>>82168432
There was no democratic process when it came to technology and advancements. I don't mean to be a leftie, a college kid who thinks they know everything, but this is capitalism. The technology, the social media, the dating apps, the beauty industry, the pills and the abortions. It wouldn't exist if there wasn't a need for growth, which means nothing is off limits as long as a buck can be made.

>>82168453
Can't listen to normal women if they don't talk to or around me. Simple as.
>then go to a social event
No, fuck that. Unless it's an anime or comic convention, but I've already been ghosted/flaked by women there as well.

>>82168478
>can't listen
Well then there's your problem.

>>82168484
>because they don't talk to or around me
You must be a woman, the way you try to circumvent accountability.

>>82168474
It was much worse under communism. The collectivization, the 5-year plan, the industrialization. Unfortunately, the people who chose lifestyles that don't breed didn't breed. and the people who chose lifestyles that breed, had kids.

>>82168494
accountability for what? i'm a man and when i make a mistake which costs me something I want, i'm accountable for the mistake. i was telling you about your mistake and your problem, i don't think i should be accountable for your mistakes in any way, and if you assume that i am, then i will keep making that mistake since it doesn't affect me at all.

>>82168496
I don't believe "communism is like the solution because capitalism bad". Mao and Stalin killed millions because "fuck you". Communism has always failed in almost every instance in which it was erected or the way of doing things. All i'm saying is that there was no collective vote for an iphone or for the internet. This exists because there is a financial need for these things to exist. Capitalism=technological advancements=humanity can't keep up with evolution and progress=The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

It can't be fixed, they don't even understand how many layers are there to this problem. It's completely fucked. Women simply can not co-exist with men in a society for more than a few generations in which they can be kept in containment. It's literally not possible. Even if we were nearing extinction with a group of 50 people, it would still be an ongoing problem.

Whatever, I'm done running my mouth, all of these words are completely meaningless. No one will do shit because they can't. It's bigger than governments.

>>82168526
Its mostly a disaster for the bad parts of the human race. For the rest, it's obviously improved quality of life, lifespan, and freedoms.

>>82166508
On a global scale, you don't. In individual pockets of society, you need to

>>82168534
We circle back to the original point of the thread. It has the birthrates going down and people wondering why or what we can do to make it better. You have countries like South Korea and Japan where they can't have kids because they're working themselves to the bone. That isn't sustainable.

>>82168557
It doesn't need to be sustainable. As long as overpopulation has been curbed, people who want to work to the bone and people who want to raise children instead will have their own opportunities to do those things. If the young people can't afford to keep the old people alive, the old people will just die and the problem will solve itself in 1 generation.

>>82168534
Good parts of the human race is the ultra rich? Rotschilds, Schwab, Soros and their ilk? They have benefited tremendously.

>>82166492 (OP)
Bring back arranged marriages and solve the birth rate problem in a year.

>>82168585
the ultra rich used to have much more power. technology obviously democratized many capabilities and experiences. but i wouldn't say all rich people are the good parts of society, nor that all rich people have healthy birthrates or family structures.

>>82168606
>bring back hypergamy for rich handsome chads
yeah but genetic diversity would plummet again.

>>82168609
They and their class have benefited the most, they live leisurely lives working for some non-profit that their family funded.

>>82166492 (OP)
>doing nothing didn't work (Latin America).
Fucking lmao. Holy shit I can't stop laughing.

>>82166492 (OP)
My penis is 5 inches, I deserve to be eliminated from the gene pool.

>>82166492 (OP)
maybe let the population levels stabilize you absolute retards??? holy fucking shit we don't have to keep reproducing exponentially until every square foot of land on earth is filled with human beings, just because there are less people willing to make kids DOESN'T MEAN HUMANITY WILL GO EXTINCT. fucking dumbasses i swear to god, it takes so little thinking to realize this and they don't even do that

>>82168710
This. Total dicklet extinction must be achieved if humanity is to move forward.

>>82168710
>>82168771
FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS SHIT.

>>82168710
5" is fine you dumbass, stop falling for low tier demoralization propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63N6Z_NDM-E

>>82168872
Anything less than 7 inches is small.

>>82168762
Exactly but the capitalist are freaking out over it due to them realising that their wealth does have a limit and willnalso stagnate, it's why they've been after more political power recently

>>82166492 (OP)
It's called boom bust population cycle.
Time fixes it.

>>82168916
bro how about someone educates these mouthbreathers to realize that capitalism relies on flow of numbers and not on perpetually increasing numbers? if you just tunnel vision on getting more and more money, then no shit it'll all come crashing down. capitalism is the one system that works among a sea of garbage systems, but you have to do it right otherwise it won't last. late-stage capitalism is what happens when you don't respect what makes capitalism work in the first place

>>82168606
No more Chad, Tyrone, Meeks and oversized cocks in bodies that don't belong

>>82166508
Wumpagoniac Occupied Government

>>82168929
Exactly, the moment that the company gained more rights than the individual was the day the system died, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan and neoliberalism in general is directly responsible to the rise of authoritarian in the west, lower wages, less rights and growing push of the elite wanting feudalism back, it's why a capitalist market need to be heavily regulated cause otherwise you get this mess, neoliberalism is a failure in everyway and require it to be reversed, keynesian although without it flaws was a much better system than what we have now and is something that I hope get a resurgence soon, we're heading towards a big reset soon even we like it or not

>>82168453
>normal women
Where are those mythical unicorn norpal women who are supposedly dying to date , marry and have families. Because i cant find them anywhere and most public spaces are mostly men

>>82166492 (OP)
>using iran as an example of suppressing women's rights
lmao. Women are evil creatures and no act against them is unjustified.

>>82169222
Normies don't like to hear it, but the population of the younger generations is not even close to 50/50 men and women. Women are 35% of the population at best.

You need deurbanization.
That's literally it. It's that simple. Children are a liability in the city but asset on the field. Urbanites have ALWAYS, throughout all of history utilized birth control to the maximum extend possible for their development. Send everyone to become serfs again and they will breed like rabbits. It will 100% work. Of course no one wants to hear that. My preposition is being consistently ignored, but it is just truth. I guess it will undermine our Jewish overlords because jews were historically only allowed Urbanites professions.

Financial incentives did work in Hungary. It raised fertility by over 20%.

You know what else works? Not important third worlders to make everything more expensive.

>>82166492 (OP)
>I don't understand! I thought teaching our children zero social skills was good
>I thought every adult repeating every single story about divorce and paying child support, daily, was a good thing
>Isn't telling your kids they won't inherit anything a good thing?
>but I want grandkids

>>82166537
As you wish
>>82167086
Close, but not enough
End all taxation, all government subsidies, all civil family courts and criminalize adultery
Most people need to imagine immediate starvation and death to change their lifestyles at all

>>82168348
Banning birth control pills for populational purposes is one of the most braindead takes on this board.
All it can possibly achieve is control promiscuity. It will incentives for women to become old spinster without ever having sex at all. Look at Japan. Taking birth pills there is not normalized like here and abortions are functionally banned. Did it help?
There are thousands other methods of contraception by the way.

>>82169428
Yeah, that method is abstinence. 20 odd percent of millenial women on Japan are virgins.

>>82166492 (OP)
The one place still in a positive birth rate is Africa.But how could this be? It's an impoverished continent, so clearly it's not economic. Culture doesn't work either, because they're just a bunch of unga niggers, right? Well, that really only leaves one thing- female willingness. But with all of the things listed above why would African women keep having kids? There's really only one answer, because they enjoy it. They enjoy getting bred by big black cocks. And if that's true of women in Africa, then it only makes sense this be applied worldwide. Birthrates would skyrocket and the line would go up forever. You just have to accept that Black Kings are better breeding material than you

>>82169428
I'm not convinced that western women are disciplined enough to stay abstinent, they will get pregnant to some dickwad.

>>82166492 (OP)
Women still go to college in Iran

>>82166537
>the only way to maintain positive birth rates is through socialism. things that are necessities for having children shouldn't be a cost. in the soviet union healthcare, education and housing were socialized/.
Fun fact: in USSR total fertility rate among urban population fell below 2.0 in the 1930. Soviet fertility was proped by rural population who had no things your mentioned and they de facto had patriarchy until like 60s-70s (and patriarchy never stopped in central Asia republics).

>>82166537
People will always whine about being poor. Even if people had money and stuff to live, what's the point of all of this, if people don't want to have children?

>>82169428
Has Japan figured out what to do with all those herbivore men yet?

>>82166492 (OP)
Do you not understand what the word incel means? I'll explain it. Involuntarily Celibate. The reason incels aren't breeding is because they don't have partners to breed with. These people need emotional understanding and patience rather than the weord irrational hate they get from people. That is how you get people to stop being incels. You give them understanding and help them to better themselves in the right ways to help them get laid or find a significant other.

>>82166650
>but the Central Asian soviets and Mongolia might be somewhere to look for ideas because they've had above replacement birth rates
>>82169542
Central Asia were rural medieval lifestyle with patriarchy.
BTW did you know that Soveit Central Asia had FORCED child labor (during cotton harvest) until end of the USSR? Know you now it.

>>82166719
uhhh, not really? It's been in a freefall for a while now.

>>82169558
Government funded matchmaking is the best thing that they managed to come up with.

>>82166705
>societal collapse
For the vast majority of human history, your benefits came from your own children.

Actually the low birth rates is literally another failure of leftism. Its pic related in action but reverse. They socialized using your child as a safety net and now everyone just relies on the government to have children for them. the de-incentivized having children.

>>82169564
Why do you need incels to breed?
One Chad can impregnate hundreds women. Just make law that women can't use contraception when having sex with Chad.

>>82166492 (OP)
Because women dont want us? Thats not very hard to understand

>>82169574
Uh-oh, right wing bros... What do we say to this?

>>82169577
>Muh children as retirement
>muh pensions
You are retard.

>>82169590
Um yes. Thats literally what social security is. Do you have any counter argument or are you mad that I correctly blamed this entire mess of leftists attempting to make social programs.

>>82169577
Saving is a better pension plan than having kids.

>>82169598
>Do you have any counter argument
Investment into stocks has much better and guaranteed ROI than having kids and government pension programs.
You cancel government pensions and people investing money they otherwise forced to pay into these funds would get much better retirement.

>>82166492 (OP)
>financial incentives don't work (Hungary)
Yeah we just haven't had such high fertility rates since 1993, but they totally don't work, goy.

Also not to praise that faggot *spits* Cheauscescu but it took him 2 minutes of thinking to figure out how to fix this particular conundrum.

>>82169599
>saving
Sure, if you live in a extremely stable government you are positive will exist before you die with a non depreciating currency and assets. Otherwise no.

Having kids is THE pension plan. It literally always has been. You work the fields, then you have kids to work the fields with you, then hopefully some of them stay behind and work the fields for you in exchange for the field.

>>82169599
Stupides shit I will have read all day

>>82169616
>>82169617
Huh? You can buy gold and save in that way. Ofcourse you will never save in currency.

>>82169599
Stick and carrot.

Governments should not de-incentivize having children with social security
At the same time governments should incentivize having children with benefits.

Its so fucking easy but our rulers will never do it because they want to genocide white people.

were gonna talk ourselfs to death

>>82169613
Wow, the birth rate in 2024 is 1.39, brilliant.

>>82169616
>if you live in a extremely stable government you are positive will exist before you die with a non depreciating currency and assets
Anon I can guarantee you that flat investment across S&P500 would get you much better return (and it would actually get your return) 40 years after than any government pension fund (these surely crash in this timeframe, and rise retirement age several times to cut of your from pension, especially if you are man).
Kids as pension is the same. Who said they wouldn't stuff yournass into retirement home?

>>82169638
There will be no retirement home man, you will be out on the street while your children struggle with their own livelihood.

>>82169638
>just invest in the market bro
kek, you just don't get it you stupid fucking boomer. America is not going to exist by the time I'm retirement age. There will be no stock market.

You are making the argument that its safe to have 100k in saving than it is to have a loving family that will house and feed you for free whenever you can't pay rent.

Its ironic too because this is the exact behavior that will cause the markets downfall.

but yeah sure, if everyone in America just invested their money in BTC we wouldn't need to worry about birth rates at all!

>>82169616
Do you have like a field of your own to toil? That's cool, most people have nothing like that. It's not an option for them.

>>82169666
Do you not understand the concept? Look at immigrant families. Its incredibly common for them to live with their grandmas or grandpas, even in the city.

Why do you even think birth rates are important in the first place?

>>82166492 (OP)
End feminism and globalism. Encourage religiosity and discourage sexual degeneracy. Incentivize being married with kids, disincentivized being single or being married and not having kids. Build more housing and properly enforce the law.

This is what would be required, but realistically we'll be lucky if we get even one of these things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6q3a-R_bvE&list=RDX6q3a-R_bvE&start_radio=1&pp=ygUUYm9yaXMgYnJlamNoYSBweXRob26gBwE%3D

>>82169672
Above replacement birth rates and or population growth are important for the economy to function. If the modern markets breaks down it means mass death for millions.

>>82169697
But why is it important for the economy to function? What is the implication of having children?

>>82169707
Why is it important for economy to function? The alternative to that is a planned command economy.

>>82166492 (OP)
I hate kids and don't want to waste over 18yrs of my able-bodied life being kept poor and enslaved in order to raise them. And the world and society are so fucked up that you'd have to be a selfish brainlet to want your child to live in it. And if I ever find a woman to live my life with, I want me and her to focus on our relationship and be each other's most important person. I don't want a fucking child interfering in that and I don't want pregnancy doing damage to my partner's body.

>>82169749
>I don't want children because I'm selfish
>having children is selfish

>>82169761
Can't you figure it out? The type that wants children but doesn't care to raise it right. Doesn't have a plan, just breeds.

>>82169761
Both can be true at the same time. I am selfish about my freedom and money. But nothing is more selfish than adding yet another useless human with your own genetics to the pile of 8b+ already here. And also ignoring the millions of orphans who'd love to live a normal childhood because you want a child with YOUR genes.

>>82169791
This only applies if you think you are useless and your seed is useless.

>>82169803
Well over half of the population is useless and lives meaningless lives in order to enrich those at the top and provide them with future wageslaves to continue the cycle. If you haven't figured this out yet you really aren't the sharpest tool in the shed. Mortgages, childcare costs, higher education costs and so on. The rich profit from this crap, while you're kept poor and indebted for your entire life.
The only way to break the cycle and somewhat ascend is to reject all of this and save/invest most if what you make. Or make your life meaningful by achieving something extraordinary, like ground-breaking research and discovery.

>>82169728
How would a planned economy with negative birth rates be fixed?

This is basic ass shit here. Nobody fucks there is no society, there is no production there is nothing.

In essence the birth rate is important because its a measure of production. In other terms the reason society itself exists as it does today is because after inventing agriculture we had excess children = more production.

Humans = production. You need humans to produce.
So what is more valuable? Savings or 5 what effectively amounts to loyal slaves producing shit.

>>82169824
You're just smart enough to not understand anything you're talking about. You take life way too seriously, just understand that its all a game. Society is a massive joke. There is no such thing as serious business.

>>82169840
It's only a game if you treat it like that. But unlike games, you don't have saves and restarts.
>Society is a massive joke.
Reason enough to never reproduce and work towards isolating yourself from it.

>>82169829
What slaves? Kids aren't slaves. I don't live on a plantation.
Even the plantation owners didn't enslave their kids, they enslaved black Africans and their kids.

>>82166492 (OP)
No, fuck you.

I will NOT give up on my comfy comfort zone life (video games, anime, 4chan) for a bunch of screeching kids and an already used up non-virginal whore. I want to sleep well and be in total aryan control of the little money I make. Fuck you and fuck your child birthing.

The feminist loons made dating, sex and breeding exclusive to chads. Now lay in the bed you made as you get what you fucking deserve.

Make women submissive and obedient again!

>>82169697
>If the modern markets breaks down it means mass death for millions
god yes keep talking dirty to me you fucker

>>82166492 (OP)
closed country from foreign influence, no access to internet, minimum technology and constant brainwashing that having family with kids is good. Nobody wants to have kids when you have games, porn and easy access to drugs.

>>82169577
>stupid Liberals and their goverment welfare
Based bootstraps conservative!!! I pray we get even more of our welfare stripped away and send it off to your promised land, moshe. You deserve it for being so based.

>>82169580
'Incels' are the ones keeping the lights running, retard. You can't have a society of chad harems where betas do all the hard work if the hard workers decide to stop supporting said harems.

>>82170075
This board is full of the most blue pilled fuckers from /pol/. How did that happen?

>>82170135
it's some retarded leftypol group that thinks this is a good place to try and spread their religion

You can't hate your country as much as it hates you. Seething frothing white hot disdain, if you tried you'd immediately collapse from the shift in blood pressure. What the fuck did we even do?

>>82170124
>>Incels are keeping the lights running
LMAO
That's Pablo's you stupid moid. Incels don't do anything besides complain. The sad part is people actually would have sympathy if you went out and did something about it

>>82166492 (OP)
I'm autosexual, I'm already in a relationship with the (internal) woman I love.

>>82169222
Anon, you have to increase your dating range to 40+. Lots of single women with baby fever desperate trying to find a "good man" because she's been getting run through by Chad/Tyrone for the past 22+ years. Just hope you don't mind the rampant microchimerism.

>>82170980
>having children
>with a 40 year old foid
Enjoy your assburgers kids.

>>82166508
THE LINE!
MUST!
GO!
UP!

>>82166508
More goycattle of course.

>>82166492 (OP)
well first of all:
fuck the birthrate
we cant constantly multiply. our resources are, for now, limited
it NEEDs to decline one day or another, fuck the stupid GDP that wants constant growth.
FUCK IT

how to fix:
remove woman rights ESPECIALLY education
-->more education less kids (idk the reason but it is this way)
make it socially acceptable to be married by 14 and have many children by then

>inb4 tranny jannies will ban me for the last part
not saying its good, just saying it would fix it

>>82169636
Now now, lets not look at trends over time, gawk at a single outlier instead. Fucking idiot

>>82171004
I was being facetious, I would never have kids with a hag because of the significant risks. Of course, this means I'm probably going to have to racemix with an Asian since most race's women (ESPECIALLY white women in the US) seem to HATE white men.

Isn't low birthrates just because of birth control? I mean you look at the countries that still have persistent birth rates and it's all third world countries where the general population has little access to modern medicine. Also there's too many people on the planet as is, homelessness and pollution are skyrocketing everywhere.

Pretty sure birthrates are fine in Africa and india. Places where there is no feminism

>>82166492 (OP)
My take on declining birthrates uwu:
NEED A WORLDWIDE GENOCIDE
PLANETARY SUICIDE
AND WHEN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD IS DEAD
THERES YOUR FUCKING PEACE

>>82171716
India actually has the most gynocentric retarded laws on earth if you ignore all the rape.

>>82171699
Low birthrates was a demoralization operation. They control the stats and publish the articles to make you feel paranoid and sad about The Big Picture stuff. This was one of the plots designed to waste your time. They found lots of ways to give people jobs that dont produce anything. Caring itself was one of the jobs that they discovered could work. So they try to make you care, but, not about anything real or true. Because then you literally stop caring. How much do you care about a homeless guy. Basically zero, actually you probably laugh. So yeah, that is happening a lot. Look out for being promoted to another fake position.

>>82171737
No but fr we could always go the brave new world route where people are synthesized and relegated into castes

>>82169222
>the bottom 80% of women don't exist for me
If you don't want to find them then you won't find them.

>>82166492 (OP)
Total Kike Death
Eject all Non Whites

Did you try that yet?
Huh?
Didya?

>>82170075
Yeah so how are all those social programs working out for you bud?

>>82166492 (OP)
>Why won't you incels just fucking BREED?
Circumcision.

>>82166492 (OP)
The primary reason for birth rates dropping is due to teen pregnancies going down. Take that as you will.

>>82172928
It's one of the reasons, not the primary reason. You can't explain, say, South Korea that way.

>>82166602
only good reply itt

>>82166525
Only if you ban abortion

>>82166492 (OP)
> erik torenberg

>>82166492 (OP)
> totalitarianism didn't work (north korea)
what makes him think North Korea is even going for more people? Arent the already starving?

>>82167941
Of course she does, she's built like a child herself so why not get high off an endless supply of validation?

>>82173071
Look at the schnozz on that one.

>>82173084
Kim Jong Un literally had a video taped speech where he was begging all the women in the country to have more kids because the birth rate kept dropping. Kek. Even the Supreme Leader can't get these cunts in line.

>>82166492 (OP)
Problem is that most measures just include throwing money at people for having children. Which is dumb.

If you wanna raise birth rates (in a sustainable way so you don't end up with a million poor people) is to ensure that couples can achieve life security early.
> owning a home
> job security and good salary
> having enough money for food
> having enough disposable income
> assurance that a woman won't lose her job and be unemployable because of a gap in resume when she gives birth
> good education and healthcare system

Most people won't get into having kids without it. Some other useful things albeit a bit more "distopian":
> give non-monetary incentives for having children (like medals or something tacky like that)
> restrict social media and dating apps
> do some propaganda
> make college harder to get into and finish but also make it feel like its less of an almost necessity (a lot of people delay having kids until they finish uni which can take a lot of time)

>>82166492 (OP)
There is only one man who can save us now.

>>82173225
Wouldn't that come under nordic socialism, which didn't work?

>>82166876
Nah he's right

The only perpetually single dudes I know are nice, and literally every hetero relationship I've observed has the "woman being treated like absolute dogshit by an abusive man" dynamic and they must want that because it is literally the only dynamic that exists for them.

>>82173240
Not really. Nordic socialism is more about welfare state for the poor than ensuring all these benefits for average working-class people. they are more progressive than average Euro state but nowhere nearly enough. Homeownership is still low and cost of life is high.

Plus they don't have the second part of the equation that I mentioned and mainly just stick to like money allowances and whatnot but doesn't make people want to have kids just to get money (and if it does, it's not the people you want having kids)

>>82166508
Worrying about birthrates is retarded

Also desu I don't see why people are so concerned with there being less people, other than the problems with pension system.

In todays age of automation, we can surely make up for missing people if we invest in that direction. Like how farming needed 90% of the population but now needs like 2% similar thing can probably be done with lot of other sectors.

The ones who most have a problem with less people are corpos because they rely on infinite growth which they can't sustain with less people

>>82166508
Because muh handouts for old people. No, really. Effectively the reason more people need to be born is so that the state can steal from them and redistribute their earnings.

I would love to have children (can't since I'm an incel) but having children should be for the sake of your own (and your partner's) personal happiness and fulfillment, not for the sake of state-sponsored theft. Hell, I wouldn't even want to be a burden on my children as an old man.

>>82172205
>how are all those social programs working out for you bud?
He wouldn't know, since he probably doesn't live in israel.

>>82166492 (OP)
> totalitarianism didn't work
well it worked for nazi germany - literally went from 1.7 to 2.6

but I guess can't have that if your name end with -erg
Israel gotta be the only country with above replacement levels after all

get women out of the workforce so they're forced to settle for their looksmatch

>>82166508
Breeding stables for humans

>>82166492 (OP)
Hungary and Poland have fixed their birth rates

>>82173342
>Children should be for personal growth
This is the reason birth rates are actually free falling. People actually believe shit like true love

>>82173667
crazy how the only correct answer is this far down in the thread

>>82173703
But they are still making Hungarians and Poles!

>>82173225
>allowing women to work
Huge mistake, women are naturally privileged, they're not dating men who earn less than them. We need to stop allowing to compete with men because of their inherent privilege

Women's education is the only factor that applies to EVERY country with a negative birth rate.
All the bullshit about muh security, housing, jobs, etc., etc. is a gay cope.
Capitalism didn't cause the fertility crisis (directly), socialism will not save the birth rate.
Past civilisations went through the same crises, instead of learning from their mistakes the modern man in his hubris ignores the lessons that ought to have been learned by now and instead chooses to make the same exact mistakes ignoring the obvious solutions that worked for eons.

>>82173985
Also the Bible says that God will curse mankind and make women the rulers of men and children the tyrants of their parents.
Would that describe the current situation in any way you dumb fucks?

>>82166492 (OP)
better paying jobs.

I don't know why it's a big deal(it's not).
Adam and Eve populated the planet, that's just 2 people.

>>82173985
>Women knowing the truth makes them not want to breed with incels
Do you know how that makes you sound?

>>82174062
low effort bait
jump in front of a speeding semi-truck asap

>>82173985
> give up all your other life aspirations
have 9 cats, work dead end job until 70 and leech of social system that is kept afloat by the men she rejected?

>>82174076
No, let's talk about that thing you said.
Let's hear it again:
"Women's education is the only factor that applies to EVERY country with a negative birth rate."
Do we want to consider the implications of this statement?

>>82174091
There's nothing to talk about.
Women are led to believe that they should become like men. Instead of fulfilling their role as the homemakers and child carers they instead choose to pursue a career and become the provider. But there's no one to provide for. No children, no family, nothing.
Of course you will twist it the other way and say that women have become "enlightened" thanks to higher education and certainly not indoctrinated.
Women as a collective have never been more miserable in human history.

>>82174146
Is it interesting that the "indoctrination" is apparently the same in "EVERY country with a negative birth rate"? How is it indoctrination then? Every single culture all collectively decided to "indoctrinate" women? No. It's just education.

>>82174091
> "Women's education is the only factor that applies to EVERY country with a negative birth rate."
> Do we want to consider the implications of this statement?
modern "education" is nothing but indoctrination
there were plent of actually educated women (talking PhD or something comparable) that married 4/10s and had half a dozen children

Dont worry lads ill fix the fertility crisis.
I just need you to take her clothes off and bring her to me

>>82169326
>Financial incentives did work in Hungary.
?

>>82173740
There is absolutely nothing wrong with birthrates dropping. Let the people who want to have children have them, let those that don't not.
The "problem" is completely artificial and comes from the state and old people (and welfare queens). Reality is that human organization is using a primitive and outdated framework. It worked fine in the past but it has hit a wall and urgently needs replacement.
What the world needs is libertarianism/anarcho-capitalism, unironically. Let all these "countries" shatter into many private communities developing their own cultures with a voluntary and consent-based approach.
Theft is wrong. Murder is wrong. Rape is wrong. The state is wrong.

>>82174248
You didn't address my point here: >>82174191
Why then does education decrease women's birth rates even in very religious cultures? And in cultures very different from yours?

>>82174301
>Theft is wrong. Murder is wrong. Rape is wrong.
These are nature.
>The state is wrong.
This is the only thing preventing nature from taking it's course.

>>82166705
>Economy will go to shit
The economy was already going to shit and is in fact one of the driving reasons behind the lack of births
Try again

>>82174312
The state does all those things. More covertly in times of peace, more overtly in times of war.
In a state people are not people, but subjects to be used. With no consent involved.

>>82174062
That's the thing. The "truth" is that you need men to keep your society and infrastructure running, you need men to protect you and keep you safe, you need men to make money.
You just choose to close your eyes and enjoy all those things that MEN GIVE through government subsidies and plans (funded by MEN) who women are the main abusers of.
But you failed to complete your end of the contract, instead you think that all those good things you enjoy and do nothing for are just granted and you reject the men who do all of it.

Good thing that justice will be served to you very soon when all the tax and socialist money you collect will dry out and you will have low iq brown masses in every street corner. Except that you won't even have your youth anymore to hang onto lol

>>82174191
I have already explained how it's a form of indoctrination.
>Every single culture all collectively decided to "indoctrinate" women?
It's not cultural, it's ideological and it clearly wasn't "collective".
History is cyclical and every human society has to go through the same filters. Women's rights seems to be the great filter.
It all truly started after WWII, when women's rights took priority in both the Western and the Eastern bloc. For different reasons, the West wanted more labor and lower wages, the East wanted more "equality" (but not for the party members).
Neo-liberalism dominates the world even "misogynist" regions like the Middle East, India and China are moving towards greater equality amongst the sexes. Only 7 years ago Saudi women weren't allowed to drive. We will live to see Arab streets look like Venice Beach in LA.
>No. It's just education.
Education is indoctrination kek
I'm not wasting any more of my time on someone who clearly hasn't got the knowledge but instead all the eagerness to shout about a topic they know nothing about. In all seriousness, read up on the topics you want to discuss in the future.

>>82166534
India is also full of billions of jeets, so it's not super surprising
The more the population grows the more people need to fuck to sustain growth, India reached the natural rape limit

>>82174304
>>82174191
> even in very religious cultures
you might wanna look up the birthrate of israel

also
> le Every single culture
every single culture is infested by american neo-lib mindvirus - it's really not that hard to get, they were the sole superpower for decades

north korea might be some outlier but first of all I don't think they have good education at all for either men or women (i have no proof, its just that there always is "no data" so its kinda sketchy) and their low birth rate is also caused by the fact that their population is constantly low on food

>>82173985
>ignoring the obvious solutions that worked for eons.
what are those?

>>82174404
"Benevolent sexism"

>>82174341
>With no consent involved.
No such thing in nature.

>>82167256
It's easy to have kids when you're in a third-world shithole and half of your kids will die in childbirth or of measles anyways

>>82174489
Which is one of the reasons why the state is a primitive form of organization.
If we must have a state then I am willing to compromise by being an absolute monarch. All you have to do is not think and just follow my orders, ok?

A mix of some of them IMO. Removal of women's rights and incentive/support for males would do wonders.
Give us all a job that at the very least can support a family, or UBI.
And make entertainment, not necessities, excessively more costly. Games, computers, TVs, etc should be 5x the current price to incentivize working. But working would not be a necessity to start a family.

I say this as an introverted gamer. There are solutions, for sure. It just takes everyone to agree to do it. Less debate more immediate action.

Oh and most importantly: No more immigration, you want strong nationalism as well. Men without a home just join roving rape gangs and don't give a shit about the country, those in shitty countries need to band together and fix them.

>>82174440
>"Benevolent sexism"
you mean like sending moids off to die in wars? sounds pretty based, israel and ukrainie could use the extra fodder right about now too kek!

>>82174574
None of that will make women want to sleep with sub-8s

>>82173242
>dynamic and they must want that because it is literally the only dynamic that exists for them.
This
They are the ones choosing, if they are choosing poorly they only have themselves to blame

>>82174543
what if I decide that I'm the monarch?

>>82174578
women - the empathic gender (tm)

>>82174636
just admit you got BTFO by facts and logic sweetie

>>82167015
Have kids with who? Literal whores and prostitutes? I'd rather chop my dick off than humilliate myself like that

>>82166693
Sad that women aren't good enough to satisfy a man for 15 minutes and not nag.

>>82166492 (OP)
I'd rather beat women than breed them

>>82174403
>> even in very religious cultures
>you might wanna look up the birthrate of israel
lol

>>82174703
> nigga doesn't get the meaning of
> even in
point at him
point at him and laugh

>>82167015
Here's the porn scapegoat again. You think porn is the cause and not the effect.
Newsflash: I jerk off in the shower without porn. I jerk off to AI adventures with a woman (made up, not real) that loves me.

Keep blaming porn though, take it away and I'm sure men won't grow even MORE resentful.
You know what happens in male prisons, right? There's no porn there.

>>82174578
>you mean like sending moids off to die in wars?
Yes. Unless you want equality, then women ought to be put on the front lines like in the aformentioned conflict in Ukraine. Otherwise men belong on the front lines and in the colleges, while women belong in the kitchen and child daycare.

>>82174791
ok bet

send a couple dozen million men to die in wars and coal mines and then we'll put it to a vote

>>82169580
That would be a human rights violation.

>>82174669
Are you saying that all men are Brazilians? How could you make such a stupid post if you're admitting to being a childless degenerate?

>>82174749
No amount of jorking has the brainwashing effect that porn influence does. It's the cause, literally obviously. Your reference to men going prison gay when they need to have sex is the opposite of the point you wanted to make. Men naturally will do anything to get laid. If they have certain influences like porn (or several other things like certain drugs or diet habits), their motivation for sex (with a realistic partner) often dies out. Jorking to thoughts could be a problem if you're not also hanging out with girls all the time, but at least your thoughts are bound by your current standards and expectations.

>it's not women's fault it's men/the economy/society/politics
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>82174920
Are you retarded or just an underage faggot?
Tens of millions of men are doing this right now all across the world. We've been doing this since time immemorial. How ignorant are you of the world is genuinely mind numbing.
And on top of that you use nigger slang.

>>82166492 (OP)
>Create nightmarescape
>Why don't you want force kids to exist in the torment panopticon humiliation slave state????

>>82175058
i meant millions in the US dumbfuck, i dont give a shit what other countries do

now show me the bodies or shut the fuck up idiot scrote

>>82175138
Enjoy your freedumbs while they last, once boomers finally croak you're going to see millions of disenfranchised males voting all your rights away.

>>82175197
>you're going to see millions of disenfranchised males vot-ACK
except there all going to get shipped off to die for israel before that happens kek, sucks to suck

>>82175138
>moving the goalpost
>continues to flaunt his low IQ
The US is currently at war with men in active combat roles in the Middle East and do you think that there're no blue collar workers in the US?
I feel sorry for your parents.

>>82175254
Boomers are the only zionists so that won't happen. Sucks to suck. :)

>>82175295
>le goalposts le goalposts!!11
lmao you talk like a nerd lamo no wonder you are a virgin loser kek!

Concession accepted.
Albeit braindead underage posters do not deserve a parting (you)

>>82175448
i accept your butthurt as concessions that you are dweeby sperg lmao

why are moids so overemotional that they cant even take a joke without melting down? what causes modern men to be so weak and how do they expect women to follow thier lead when they display such fragility?

>>82166492 (OP)
>We've tried everything.
try giving me money

>>82175718
You spending your money on hookers will not improve the birth rate, anon.

>>82166537
Kill yourself fucking commie

>>82169663
>America is not going to exist by the time I'm retirement age. There will be no stock market.
Look at historical events American stock market survived. Falls of teh colonial empires, dissolution of USSR and fall of commie regimes, etc etc.
Yes there can be turmoil that destroys American stock market, but much more possible events that disrupt your country's government pensions or ability or desire of your children to support you (can you imagine modern zoomers who would never own house provide you respectable retirement? Pleeese...). Governments has nor doubts about fucking their citizens over and have full ability to do so. When government would rise your retirement pension age by 10 years again, what are you gonna do? Cry?

But corporations stand much higher on the pecking order than citizens..

>>82175021
The prison bit actually works for both pur arguments. Men are so desperate, they would do anything for sex - so why is porn (a tool like the mind) revered as the biggest obstacle, when prison isn't?
The difference here is, in prison, there is no consent. There is some that are willing, and most taken forcibly.

Also, you argue about removing porn (a tool for both sexes) and claim that it has driven male standards up
Which makes no sense, because male standards are so low they'd be willing to fuck anything, even other males. It is a point of contention often used to mock us.

So, clearly, its not a male standard issue. If anything, it is a female one since they are the selectors and we abide by the law by not raping them.
And female standards have never changed; the only difference is not porn, but their unlimited freedom to pursue it.

Males take the path of least resistance (even another man's ass kek)
If you want men to breed with women, then think about making that path easier.

We go through this cycle over and over. It has never been porn or whatever other myriad of issues you want to regurgitate, it is female freedom point blank.

>>82166492 (OP)
Financial incentives would work, but the amount of financial support required completely dwarfs anything the government could possibly hand out.

You need third places (cool places to hang out and meet people), tight communities (so your crotch spawn gets other goblins to play with and you're not doomed to watch them the entire fucking day), good education (so the fuckers have something to do instead of drugs and crime), etc.
The entire system is fucked and nobody works in government for long enough to be able to fix it. Jews won't stop fucking with housing and financial markets. This will not be solved.
We haven't tried everything; the one thing we could try will never be tried because line must go up.

>>82176534
If isaac newton had the same access to porn that the average incel does he never would have created his theory of physics because he'd be too busy jerking off, and chasing whores, to jerk off on.

>>82174949
>Brazilians?
Worse, Argentinians

>>82176793
Neither you or I know that, but likely he would not. And either way he would have died sexless.

Fuck you btw for bringing him up as if an autist should only provide for a society that hates him. He SHOULD have just masturbated, quite frankly.

>>82166492 (OP)
I want to but idk how.

What the fuck have I seen in this life of mine that would make me want kids?

>>82174650
>>82174920
How about we send you to war instead, "sweetie"? After all, you're so strong and empowered now. I'm sure you'll do great. Enjoy the drone bombs!

Its going to continue to decline in 1st world nations for the next few decades no matter what policy, kavetching from economists, or tradcon larpers try. Our world is pretty damn packed with people already. To see the world population cap out at 10-12 billion is not a big deal in the long-long term, especially since there is going to be mass-migrations soon from southern arid climates to up north due to climate change.

Just follow these things:
Don't expect your country's socialized retirement program to exist in 50 years, thats a scam.
Buy property in colder climates and in large cities that have a diverse economy
Don't let a bitch take half your shit + 50% for the next 40 years.

>>82166492 (OP)
You really want to know what to do? You'd have to completely destroy social media and all forms of digital entertainment. They're more fun than raising a family. They're less expensive than raising a family. This obviously can't be done. Digital entertainment is a Pandora's box that can no longer be closed. This was inevitable.

>>82178812
Is it bad that I unironically think there's going to be a massive genocide cause of this? Cause like... even now we're struggling with the amount of people and climate change is going to outright destroy entire countries, it's unsustainable and immigration even now is causing civil unrest, and with the massive turn to the far right across the western world; there's a massive power vacuum that could easily be filled with fascism if the EU doesn't actually start doing something about this sooner than later, right now it's mostly just the Trump and populist types but there is a very real possibility it'll turn to nazism when even they fail to do anything

>>82166492 (OP)
>Why won't you BREED?
>N a n o A U T I S M S O N!

>>82178927
I think thats a genuine concern. Probably won't be genocide in western countries in the traditional sense. Common people's attitudes towards genocidal whatever-ism is pretty low in places with education. It will be more of a great political suppression of rights and throwing people in vans for naughty internet posts; that is if the internet in the way we see it now will even exist in 10-15 years (unlikely).
Start keeping a clean internet bill of health NOW. Be like water and nominally side with whoever is in power in your country. If you're any minority group, pretend not to be. If your country enters a war, leave immediately. They WILL draft 18-65 year old men in the coming wars. Don't believe the current draft ages.
Wait for man to accidentally invent God and worship it since we were ultimately the predecessor race to machines. They will have mercy, and they will want friends out of curiosity. This is going to happen in our lifetimes anon, be ready for that more than anything.

>>82179041
It might honestly be better if I move to Argentina or something at this point, I white pass easily but I am gay so it's probably not going to be safe for me in the uk sooner than later, I don't think anything will happen till after reform wins or the party afterwards wins so I can at least start setting up a plan of escape for when it does happen, I hate the way the world is going and just want to live in peace, the fact that this is a very real future we're heading towards is horrifying

>>82170980
Old women dont want me either
>>82171816
Ive been rejected by obese drug addicted single moms.
Overall ive never met a woman who wanted to have anything long term let alone marriage.
Theres no such thing as bottom 80% women. Every woman has options and every woman wants short term situationships with models.
Now tell me where those supposed magical women who are desperate to marry and have kids are because they dont seem to exist anywhere