I think estrogen should be freely available at every supermarket. Does that make me an accelerationist?

no, it should be, there shouldnt even be an age limit imo

>>82189275 (OP)
I agree, but you should at least consider the fact that it could be used for pranks and bullying if it were available that easily not that that's a downside

>>82189283
lost a bet? now you have to take estrogen hehehe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAdsSm-H26g

>>82189275 (OP)
>>82189279
>>82189283
>>82189288
I hope you freaks kill yourselves soon.

>>82189275 (OP)
what about testosterone

>>82189275 (OP)
no I agree, if it was I might have actually gone through puberty

>>82189275 (OP)
>>82189279
these are good starts blut i think it should be fully subsidized by the goverment as well beclause everyone has a human right to be cute and funnie! that is all

>>82189382
yeah
i cant disagree

does anyone else get an overwhelming pit-in-stomach dreariness from thinking about trans people conceptually? like despair? i honestly don't know how chuds are so hateful about it. for me it's just super depressing. i wish them to be mentally well.

>>82189283
HAHA anon, we made your skin soft and gave you some curves, get pranked!

Based beyond belief OP

>>82189424
>i wish them to be mentally well.

Give us estrogen and we will be!

>>82189476
i think physically altering your bodies is the unwell bit, same for anyone who gets cosmetic surgery. i don't think it's ever a sign of anything good.

>>82189491
You say this, because you don't want to listen to us. You just like to control others

>>82189279
>>82189382
Agreed.

>>82189341
I hope you stop wishing death upon other people who just want to be happy and live their lives :3

>>82189361
Sure, why not. It's only fair. I somewhat feel like T would be less advantageous for society at large though.

>>82190303
>people who just want to be happy
you don't want to be happy, you are autistic fucks trying to fit in by getting groomed by perverts and grooming other children
you think that being "soft" and "feminine" will make you liked but in reality you're purposefully ruining your life so you have other life-ruiners to relate to, then trying to ruin other people's lives to keep up the idea you're doing something right

>>82189424
Yes it's just grim I haven't found tranny chud memes funny in years it's too dire

>>82190303
>noooo wishing death upon pedophiles is le bad!!!

>>82190355
>pretends to want to protect kids from pedos
>elect epstein island enjoyer pedo-in-chief president
Why are rightoids like that?

>>82190303
shut the fuck up you little shit

you evade all your responsibilities as a man without any downsides of a biological woman

kill yourself

>>82190360
1. i didnt vote for him and 2. pretty much every politician is a pedophile. now lets talk about you guys. can you tell me why the age of consent exists? why alcohol use is prohibited for those under 21? why weed is the same? you know why all of these things are put in place right? its because they protect children from things they dont even understand. sure, they know what sex is, what weed and alcohol do to you, but they dont understand how they can ruin your life. now lets look at hrt. this is something that will most likely completely change the course of your life. of course my opinion is that it will ruin your life, but thats neither here nor there. the point is, you should not want to give children something that can completely change their lives when they arent even at an age to understand what you are offering them.

>>82190376
You can switch teams too if you like! There's no need to be mad.

>>82189275 (OP)
No, it makes you unrecyclable trash. You don't know how to properly think of accelerationism.

>>82189275 (OP)
No like everything else it should be free, if fags wanna kill themselves then it should be their choice and all methods should be on the supermarket

>>82189491
So funny to say this on an incel board. There are whole incel wikis with citations on how looksmaxxing works.

Plastic Surgery Increases Patient Happiness
https://www.droliviahutchinson.com/blog/plastic-surgery-increases-patient-happiness/
The study reported in Clinical Psychological Science followed 550 patients for up to one year after undergoing surgery. Most commonly performed surgery included breast augmentation, liposuction, rhinoplasty, eyelid surgery, breast lift, breast reduction and abdominoplasty. Results revealed positive outcomes across many psychological areas, including anxiety, depression, goal attainment, quality of life, life satisfaction, attractiveness, mental and physical health, well-being, and self-esteem.

>>82190462
>breast breast breast
so in other words the majority of them were women

>>82189275 (OP)
I think you should kill yourself, tranny

>>82190413
>its because they protect children from things they dont even understand
Why isn't religious indoctrination part of these things then? It ruins countless lives everyday.

another trannycord raid, very cool

>>82190376
>you evade all your responsibilities as a man

list them

>>82190494
Are you under the impression people wouldn't treat you better if you got a Chad jaw with surgery?

>trust us we're an unfairly judged people who suffer not a bunch of deranged perverts
>*makes this thread*

>>82190532
Perhaps antipsychotics should be made freely available too.

>>82190773
Well, yes. You Americans understand your psychosis around gatekeeping every medicine behind a faggot doctor isn't the case everywhere right? You can buy all that shit over the counter in many countries.

>>82190462
source: plastic surgery clinic website

>>82191177
Better than source: your arsehole

>>82189275 (OP)
Is this some radical feminist plan to sterilize all the sub-8 men on earth then have them kill themselves?

>>82191257
I think men are doing quite a good job of killing themselves already

>>82189491
To alter the world is to express one's mind. The body is one's most personal canvas.

>>82191948
you are your body

>>82191963
Yes. That is why we should be able to do whatever we want with our own bodies. If you don't like people cutting off their OWN balls, then you are free to keep your own. But if people having different values than you causes you such distress that you need to go out of your way to prohibit people from expressing themselves, then you don't have any balls.

>>82192084
i'm not a libertarian so i believe doctors and medical institutions should have regulations on what they can and cannot do. this is pretty basic. i don't think it should be illegal to cut your own balls off in your own home if you want to, but i also believe in mental health institutions and if someone does that maybe the government should step in and get them help. You can reframe this belief as me being a control freak but this is just how society is set up, and most people believe in it. we have regulations, we have departments of health. yes it's more authoritarian than a 100% free society but that's the trade off because i don't believe liberty works

>>82190376
>>you evade all your responsibilities as a man without any downsides of a biological woman
So you admit that you are just jealous of trans girls then? Lmao

>>82189275 (OP)
what happens if you take estrogen and testosterone together? do you become more feminine while also not having a perma-flaccid?
i've heard e makes your dick smaller and i don't want that
i still want to be a man i just want to stay cute

>>82192435
high E and T at the same time completely fucks your brain up and makes you mentally ill, it causes the most severe mood swings

>>82192461
ah, okay. i wish that would work though because that sounds like the perfect compromise to me but oh well
i'll just keep taking care of myself i guess

>>82192122
Counter offer, lets institutionalize all incels, autists and /pol/shits and forcibly make them take estrogen and wear dresses for funsies.

>>82192378
I don't think anyone's jealous of a balding pedo freak lol
But keep pretending you're an anime girl. Maybe jump in front of a truck and you'll get isekaid.

>>82192435
high t can actually cause you to have high e, what you probably want to do is just nuke your test and leave your e alone

>>82189283
People can do the same thing with any random toxin.

>>82192435
just take advantage of your naturally prettiness in your 20s and accept twink death. i look androgynous but knowwww that my genetics are gonna hit like a truck

>>82189275 (OP)
i just want to be able to take estrogen without worrying about shit
t. repper

>>82190376
>muh male responsibilities
this is a meme sold to you by men richer than you who do absolutely fuck all

>>82192122
The problem then becomes about who decides what constitutes rational behavior. The medical industry isn't perfect, but they are bound by existing US laws that define medical malpractice.

I see hormone treatments as harm reduction, as the market for these medications will continue to exist even if it is prohibited. Even more importantly, the harm they induce is entirely subjective. It is not like tobacco -- where the desired effect is heavily-outweighed by extremely deleterious side-effects. Instead, the desired effects of hormone treatments are the same as the side-effects. In most cases, tangible benefits occur during hormone treatments. Yet, there is a massive stigma surrounding trans people. It is a complicated issue.

tl;dr Tobacco is of greater concern than hormones.

>>82192709
/pol/ just wants to hurt as many people as possible because they are petty miserable little men, they know they'll never pass and be cute so they have to prevent others from being happy at all costs, its also why they tell eachother to be miserable misogynist incels instead of respecting women like normal human beings

it's the most toxic crab bucket mentality I've ever seen tbdesuu

>>82190345
>getting groomed by perverts and grooming other children
le justify hatred and control with protecting le nonexistent kids

>>82191177
https://incels.wiki/w/Plastic_surgery
https://incels.wiki/w/Jaw_is_law

>>82192709
It's subjective yes but I believe it to be of a greater intensity than the effects of tobacco. Our looks, self-image, external image, psychological profile (because HRT is not just cosmetic, the treatment has a major impact on the brain) and more dramatically the abstract "self" are all at stake with this issue. Cigarettes fuck up your lungs, teeth and an addictive habit, which is all inagruably bad but the fire you're playing with isn't as intensive. Living in a consciously constructed identity that conflicts with one's original bodily form I think almost certainly creates psychic tension and that IS the harm. I don't think anyone understands the gravity of permanently altering your body because again, you are your body. We're not brains, every part of us is us. There's a tremendous weight to the decision that I don't think can come across in self-reported statistics praising the positive, affirming nature of HRT or reassignment surgery. One of the scariest things to me about the whole idea of transitioning and from conversations I've had with trans friends is that it's never-ending, there's not an end goal ever or a real satisfactory point where anyone is... pleased with their decision. There can always be more, you can always do more. It's the same principle of models who get addicted to plastic surgery which I think most people understand is an unhealthy thing for the mind but suddenly you can't be as critical of it when it's tied to this abstract of "gender"
>>82192776
I'm a leftie and really am not being hateful. i really don't think this mentality of casting out anyone who's even a bit skeptical of gender affirming care is good for your movement. It's never going to be accepted widespread if you aren't willing to have these conversations

>>82192599
silence transphobe or i will turn you into kyoot gril with my magic gender bending wand uwu :3

>>82192808
"Teehee, you're just an egg waiting to hatch." Is that what they told you?

>>82192435
https://transcare.ucsf.edu/guidelines/feminizing-hormone-therapy
>Sildenafil (Viagra) and tadalafil (Cialis) can be used for preservation of erectile function at any stage or with any feminizing hormone regimen, in consideration of the typical contraindications and precautions when using this class of medication.

>>82192871
Nty I'm already on easy mode lmao.

>>82190345
>you think that being "soft" and "feminine" will make you liked
It does, if done properly. A lot of people don't do it proper.
But this is why women are rated higher than men, they just look better.

If you want to get estrogen you get those triphasic regiment birth control pills at the pharmacy. Just say you are using it for a college project in chemistry. What would be cooler is getting testosterone for animals so you can feed it to stray cats and see them get huge.

>>82192946
>birth control pills
isn't that not estradiol?

>>82192894
so you are a stinky terf femcel then? in that case may i put my feminine pp in you ma'am?

>>82192962
yeah but you can take it to grow titties.
>Estradiol, the primary female sex hormone, plays a crucial role in the development and maintenance of female secondary sexual characteristics, including breast development.
>During puberty, increased levels of estradiol stimulate the growth of breast tissue, leading to the formation of lobes and the activation of mammary glands, which results in the appearance of breasts.
High doses of it would shrink the testes and lower sex drive in males.

>>82192122
I fundamentally disagree, and thats OK, because I will live my life on my terms, not yours

>>82193013
yeah but isn't most birth control synthetic shit like ethinylestradiol and progestin which are really fucking bad for you to take daily compared to bioidentical estradiol, especially at the doses needed for an mtf?

>>82193065
Bioidentical progesterone exists

>tranny poster
>anime aesthetic

STOP NOTICING ANON!!! A-ANIME WEBSITE

>>82189341
It's all white boys and their "people" will be gone in a few generations so yeah

>>82193295
You're looking forward to your mud hut

>>82193238
yeah but that's usually not what they use in bc

>>82193279
*chomps ure benis*
one of us! one of us!

>>82192864
>It's subjective yes but I believe it to be of a greater intensity than the effects of tobacco. Our looks, self-image, external image, psychological profile (because HRT is not just cosmetic, the treatment has a major impact on the brain) and more dramatically the abstract "self" are all at stake with this issue.
All of this can be said for tobacco, as well. I do not know why you consider it to be of greater intensity, either. Tobacco contains numerous neurotoxins and outright dastardly poisons like hydrogen cyanide and benzene. Tobacco massively increases your risk of premature death and can be physically disabling. Few things cause as much "psychic tension" as morbidity and disability.

You seem to be caught up in a naturalism bias. How can you be certain that someone's untreated state is better than with HRT? Some people need to take Xanax to avoid having unexplained, debilitating panic attacks. Yet, I would describe Xanax as a dangerous poison for a normal person I believe that estrogens are rightfully considered prescription-only medications, but they aren't as dangerous as controlled substances like painkillers are.

If you want to have a serious conversation about prohibiting certain drugs for the benefit of society, then starting with a known-killer of hundreds of thousands of people annually, in the US alone, is a good start. That is at least 400,000 people. Dead. Every year. How many people do you know? 300-400? If everyone you have ever met died, then that would be 1/1000 of the people that die in one year attributable to tobacco directly (most often severe emphysema).

If you still don't care, then I question your motivations, here. Clearly, anyone with the intent to "save people from themselves" would see tobacco as a massive source of self-inflicted disability, suffering, and death.

>>82194049
benzos are just alcohol in pill form and without the dizziness.

>>82189275 (OP)
im with you, but i just wouldnt buy it
so i could stay big and strong and everyone else can be girly and shit
then id be able to beat up and fuck everyone

I have some more suggestions, but yes HRT should be over the counter.

>>82189382
>>82189275 (OP)
>>82190303
Everyone hates you because you are pedos and sex pests trying to larp as little girls and forcing everyone to go with your mental illness and degeneracy or they will lose their jobs

Eateogen is freely available in brazil and thailand. That's the actual reason they have the best looking and most well adjusted trans women

>>82194646
>forcing everyone to go with your mental illness and degeneracy or they will lose their jobs
its the opposite for me i'm hiding being on hrt because it's easier to fire a tranny or deny them housing

>>82194646
t. someone who wants everyone who isn't a white male to get sent to death camps

>>82194696
>he didn't deny the pedo and sex pest part
>>82194760
Not white nor a male

>>82189275 (OP)
I would like that, but the problem is that too many idiots would buy gallon jugs and try injected it all at once. And then they would complain and get laws passed protecting their poor darwinian instincts.

>>82194646
>Everyone hates you because you are pedos and sex pests
Oh is that why everyone hates catholics and conservacucks?

>>82194949
no, they also lie and steal and turn around and demonize brown people for acting the exact same

>>82194932
Yeah except that doesn't happen lol

>>82194811
>anyone who doesn't profusely insist they aren't a pedophile has to be one
cis women are way worse lmao

>>82195228
>purely hypothetical fantasy isn't real
You don't say.

>>82196712
Lol we already have countries with over the counter hormones