I guess low-status men are just so completely invisible, that even "doods" are oblivious to the possibility that they'll end up as one should they transition.
What's funny is, it's never Stacies or even Beckys trooning out. It's usually the genetic trash like pic related (4'10", fivehead), who would be incels if they had born male.

>>82219182 (OP)
>Can someone explain the FtM phenomenom?
some don't like wearing skirts and/or having long hair and/or being called she/feminine name, so they change those things to what they do like.
simple as

>>82219213
>some don't like wearing skirts and/or having long hair and/or being called she/feminine name, so they change those things to what they do like.
Why?

>>82219182 (OP)
the low status men are invisible to them, so when they fantasize about transitioning, they see themselves as chad. Once they transition and realize they're at least as bad as the low status men they didn't even acknowledge before, they rope.

>>82219222
>Once they transition and realize they're at least as bad as the low status men they didn't even acknowledge before, they rope.
Usually they make a big show of
>detransitioning
and blame the media, society, etc. instead of taking responsibility for their own bad decisions.
Also the reason why so many of them pass so horribly is that the effects of T (especially on the face and voice) are irreversible, so they're afraid to fully commit to HRT, despite
>muh dysphoria
so instead they just cross dress, dabble a little in HRT, and try to live as a
>doood
while looking like fat lesbians.

>>82219182 (OP)
The simplest explanation is some women feel like they never consented to having life on easy mode. They don't like having doors held for them. They don't like receiving compliments from strangers. They don't like receiving preferential treatment in pretty much everything for their entire life. So they go ftm, try out a life without privilege for a while, realize it sucks, and detransition. Or kill themselves if they went as far as chopping their tits off.

And I'm not like, a transphobic person. This is just the reality if you check /lgbt/. Every ftm poster is just a whiny girl that didn't like that people were too nice to her because it felt "fake" and she wanted the "real" experience of "blending in" with the dudes until she realizes it sucks. Also, (hetero) dating for ftm's is mindblowing to them lol. When they find out NO WOMAN wants to date a 5'3 manlet that looks like a teenage boy and has manboob scars it's like telling a kid santa isn't real.

There are many different types of pooners
>they just want attention and feel special without being special, those are just regular women who wear more gender neutral clothing and short hair and otherwise put no effort into becoming a man and are basically the same thing as enbies and gender fluid foids, they care a lot about gender shit
>they are weird and want to be different and are fine with being odd curiosities and attractions known as cuntboys like Buck Angel
>they are butch dykes who want to take it a step further, becoming even more masc
>they got molested as a child and try to make themselves as visually unappealing to men as possible as a response
>female porn addiction with AAP (autandrophilia) the biggest subgroup are fujos who want to be like the bottom of their favorite yaoi and be in a gay relationship with a gay twink
>they genuinely feel like they are straight men trapped in the body of a woman and end up turning into fat balding hairy soibois with a frankendick

FtM either turn into twinks, manlets with shitty disgusting pube beards, actual unironic bald soiboi numales or hairy body builders who still have an uncanny female frame

>>82219373
>cuntboys like Buck Angel
As much as I (OP) dislike FtMs/pooners, from what little I've seen of this person, they've at least fully "committed to the bit," and can pass as a male.

>>82219221
something something hormones brainscans environment etc etc
why do you like the music you like? probably in part due to how your brain works, in part due to your development. same for these people I suppose

they look so fucking bad and you can spot them in a crowd of 2000 people. their facial hair never looks real or looks like pubes. the removal of tits always looks weird as fuck. even with short hair they all look like dykes. nothing changes their bodytypes so they still look like women. voices always sound like women. dress like little boys or butches. pube beards. smell like shit. shorter than the men they would never date. the facial hair looks fucking horrifying. still emotional like women still look like women. the ones that are "passible" you can tell theyre women just by looking at their facial features and body. at most theyre 5'8 not even average height of a man.

>>82219182 (OP)
For me it was because of autoandrophilia desu

>>82219422
why did you write all this? must be ftm yourself

>>82219580

did i upset you zippertits. let me know when youre above 5'2

>>82219362
Is dating really that bad for FTMs attracted to women? I sometimes see butches on T and they don't seem to have a hard time getting laid with lesbians

>>82219213
You don't have to pretend to be a biological male just because you don't want to wear skirts. You can just be a woman who doesn't wear skirts.

>>82219182 (OP)
I just lament the loss of a beautiful woman everytime one of them poons out. So many of them are really good-looking women before chopping their tits off and going on T. There's a nude model I follow on the gram and (s)he just got top surgery today, which is a shame because they're easily a 7.5 or even 8 out of 10 who felt the need to mutilitate themselves.

>>82219535
>autoandrophilia
Only 10% of men or fewer probably meet the criteria of whatever masculine ideal you're eroticizing.
For example, most men don't have big penises, and a large % have to cope with having been cirucmcised.
I don't get why you can't just live out your autoandrophilia vicariously by getting fucked by chads instead of turning yourselves into walking freakshows.

>>82219601
you are above 5'2 yet you still act like this

>>82219422
>voices always sound like women
This one isn't true. If there's one thing FTM definitely have over MTF is that testosterone actually changes the voice. Hell even female bodybuilders who are not trannies often have deep voices because of testosterone injections. The voices pass over continued testosterone use over the years. What doesn't pass is the way they talk. They literally sound gay and zesty because they still have a female way to talk.

>>82219623
This is why attractive women poon out, btw. They don't like being valued solely on their physical appearance so they turn themselves ugly

>>82219610
Butches have it super easy to get laid because there are not a lot of butches in the world but there's a high demand from dykes for butch partners (because it makes a lot of sense to be a dyke and then to only be attracted to women who act, dress and look like men and it's totally not the female equivalent of a prison-gay guy lusting over femboys)

>>82219627
I wanna kiss all circumcised men better

>>82219182 (OP)
Women arrested in their development envious of the "teenage boy lived experience" that entertainment sells.
Not all of them, but it's a lot of them.

>>82219627
I don't care about whether or not I'm a Chad. I am aroused by the thought of shooting up testosterone and going to the gym until I am a horny muscular sweaty disgusting freak with a swollen clit

>>82219665
So why would hetero dating be hard for FTMs? They can just date lesbians

>>82219720
Dating lesbians isn't very gender affirming

>>82219720
Because they could be the same thing as a regular dyke, while pulling a straight girl like you were a real guy would be an actual achievement. That's like asking why MTF who are into men don't date gay/bi guys and only want straight men.

>>82219720
I would but I look too "male" for most of them

>>82219612
they aren't pretending "biology", that's not a thing. no trans person is gonna say they have different chromosomes from what they actually have, or that their body always looked how is does, just that those things aren't anything to do with gender for them
calling someone "he" doesn't have to be connected to anything physical, though it often is. it can just mean the person wants to go by he
the way I take it is that there are bunch of different qualities (genitals, breasts/no breasts, pronouns, fashion style, name, voice pitch, man/woman/xyz social roles, etc etc) a bunch of which usually get linked together under the umbrella "gender". there are two "categories" or "sets" of these qualities most societies today use, and people are raised for one or the other based on genitals. some people want the other set, or to be in the other category, so they change those things. you also don't have to have either preset, you can mix and match with any and all of them as you want.
idrgaf how people wanna look or act or be addressed or whatever, just do whatever

>>82219710
Geg based roid monkey

>>82219829
>no trans person is gonna say they have different chromosomes from what they actually have, or that their body always looked how is does, just that those things aren't anything to do with gender for them
The internet overflows with MTF trannies thant pretend to have periods.
I don't know why your kind comes here of all places to tell bold-faced lies like that, as if we all didn't have to endure screenshot after screenshot of trannies saying the most deranged, out-of-this-world shit.

>>82219610
>Is dating really that bad for FTMs attracted to women?

>>82219401
You don't need to poon out because you like rock music is or cutting your hair short.

>>82219878
>The internet overflows with MTF trannies thant pretend to have periods.
They claim that the hormones give them period-like symptoms, not that they have xx chromosomes or that they're naturally like that

>reddit.com/r/detrans
>nearly all of it is FTMs with regret

>>82219945
They're all women who never medically tranisitioned

>>82219936
>They claim that the hormones give them period-like symptoms
No, it's literally "periods" and it's usually associated with the bleeding of a post-op vagina.
I don't know if they ever specifically brought chromosomes on the table, but your very first statement
>they aren't pretending "biology"
is simply a lie, and I'm sure you know it.
Again, this kind of shit may fly on reddit or X, but here your best bet would be to get ignored, because EVERYONE knows what you said is simply not true.

>>82219945
To be fair guys probably wouldn't be welcome there even if they are mtftm

>>82219878
>pretend to have periods
might be true, most I've seen don't though
>your kind
was born with cock, still like having cock
>saying the most deranged, out-of-this-world shit.
there definitely are insane trans people, no one would deny that in good faith. I just don't see being insane as unique to trans people. sure, being shit on by society is gonna push the crazies over the edge more than for other groups, but that can be said for most other groups who get shit on. just look at all the autistic people who go off the rails - does that mean all autistic people are deranged? what about korean suicide rates, are they just cause koreans are more suicidal? I think a lot of anons put the relation on its head - trans and autistic people get more shit, so they're more likely to go crazy, koreans live in a shit society, so they're more likely to rope
>>82219932
I meant the music thing as an example of feelings that seem innate and which you can't easily explain - it just feels right. same for those who wanna go by he/him or a new name

>>82219829
You sound retarded. Most trannies want to be the other sex not just the other gender.

>>82220026
>want to be the other sex
as in they want different genitals and/or chest situation and/or bodyframe, sure, a lot of them do. I haven't heard of any who want different chromosomes, apart from thinking that society would treat them better that way. most people don't even know their chromosomes, I certainly don't.
>You sound retarded
glad to see I'm getting myself across faithfully

>>82219182 (OP)
>raped by a man and they think if they turn into a hideous man, then they'll never be sexualized again (they're right).
>hardcore gay porn addition warps their mind and they thing transitioning to a man is a good idea (they're wrong).

>>82220059
Either you got tricked by someone or you are willfully ignorant, it's kinda cute how naive you are

>>82219643
Well mission fucking accomplished cause losing her titties is going to knock her down to a 6, and if she takes T it can only get worse from there

>>82220025
>was born with cock, still like having cock
Was referring to being a lefty.
>I just don't see being insane as unique to trans people
It isn't, but the difference with a lot of other groups is that trannies, or at least the more relevant ones, don't aknowledge and in fact absolutely deny the existence of such bad apples in their group. And so do the other groups that want to pander to them (democrats, liberals in general, not-TERF feminists, LGBT activists and so on).
It's a very small minority of (irrelevant to the movement) trannies that admit the existence of absolute nutcases that ARE trannies and at the same time say insane shit about sex and gender, everyone else defends your average anime-obsessed, turned-tranny-because-prison-gay weeb that tries to force others to say "TRANS RIGHTS".
Until the group start to make a difference between their "black people" and their "niggers", they're rightfully gonna keep being shit on by society.

>>82219182 (OP)
i transitioned because i was bored
also i accidentally dated a few ftms before i trooned and they always looked like little boys and i wanted that for myself

>>82220080
I had an amazing dinner but I just vomited it all up thanks to you. Have an utterly terrible day gaynon

>>82219182 (OP)
Women brain broken by leftism and feminism unironically think men are inherently better. Some are also tomboys or lesbians. That combination makes them think becoming a man will be better. They believe they'll benefit from "patriarchy" and experience "gender euphoria". What really happens is they become a genetic freak and reliant on big pharma for the rest of their life. All while being an ugly manlet at best. It's the greatest trick women have pulled on each other.

I'm sure there are actual biologixal men who have a "woman ruination" fetish where they get off to the idea of forcably transforming a woman into a man, I'm sure he'd appreciate FtMs since the rest of society clearly doesn't

>>82220150
No, not a single heterosexual man has this fetish. Like it's actually rare to encounter a fetish no man is into but I can't really see how even the most autistic degenerate could be into this unless he's gay.

>>82220141
A lot of chicks have had penis envy since before feminism was a thing. As much as they claim to hate women, they actually want to be us so bad.

>>82220167
They are very rare. I know because I've tried to find them.

>>82220161
The world's a big place, I'm sure there's got to be a few.

Honestly, my (limited) experience with ftm men has been pretty good and I wouldn't mind being in a relationship with one
>22 years old
>senior in college
>feeling horny, masturbating isn't cutting it
>look on Grindr to see if I can get a quick bj instead
>ftm profile nearby
>literally message him "u down for sucking my dick? Totally nsa. Not into penetration fyi"
>he's down for it
>he drives to my apartment parking lot at midnight
>I hop in the passangerseat
>looks like a chubby bulldyke rather than an actual man but it's dark so whatever
>he starts sucking me off instantly
>have to stop a few times because there are a few people around
>not sure if they can see us
>after a few minutes he whips out a condom and puts it on my dick
>he hops on and starts riding me
>and its so slimy and wet
>like what the fuck its making a goddamn mess
>this goes on for another 10 minutes until I ask him to get off and suck me off until I cum
>he does and tries swallowing it unprompted but he spits it out into a napkin
>I thank him and leave
Not too bad really, I didn't expect him to have a condom on hand or try to shove my cock into his pussy but I wasn't about to ruin the mood by saying no. Too bad there are 0 ftms where I live

>>82220580
Nigga you're gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay something something this is an original post stop muting me

>>82220580
this is both the grossest and hottest shit i've ever read i'm going to have night terrors based on this wake up tommorow confused and scared.
thanks anon

>>82219535
AAP isnt real