Thread 82971591

I don't understand this meme
Science was literally created because theists believed that God's world is logical and therefore observable, just like how a child plays with a toy his father has given him

>>82971591 (OP)
>I don't understand this meme
Because you are latino

>>82971591 (OP)
>Science was literally created because theists believed that God's world is logical and therefore observable
Truth.

>>82971591 (OP)
>I don't understand
Sasuga retard-kun

1. The Scientific method was created by the Greeks, they had many gods.
2. Very little in the Tanakh and testament of the cult leader are logical or follow any kind of reason.
3. Modern Evangelicalism insists faith and magic are superior to any kind of understanding or intellectual pursuits.

Just because there were Christian scientists in the 14th century (when your options were Christianity or being drawn and quartered) doesn't mean it still supports anything that might imply King Yahweh isn't the center of the universe.

Even India is older than greeks, and indians aren't polytheistic
I won't even bother giving a (You) to you because you're a massive retard

>>82971697
>outs himself as a saar

Even poopjeets are better than atheists, unironically

>>82971697
>Indians aren't polytheistic
Who's the retard?

4000 years of Hinduism and going strong.

List of scientific discoveries from India:
>The concept of zero. 700 AD
>Zinc smelting. 1200 AD
>Microsoft Edge 2015 AD
The end.

Hinduism is monistic, and they've been doing science since 1000 BC, like decimal system and sulbasutras about geometry and algebra
And no, I'm not a jeet, just someone with an actual brain

>>82971591 (OP)
Tertullian
An early Christian author and Church Father (c. 155 - 220 AD), Tertullian is often cited as a historical example of anti-rationalism (fideism) due to his famous rhetorical questions and statements.

>>82972076
Mao was atheist so that means all atheists are authoritarians that killed millions
That's how you sound

>>82972021
>YHVH is only 3 prople at once
>Brahman is every single being that ever exists and will ever exist, including the multiple Devas and their avatars and reincarnations

>>82971591 (OP)
>1910: logic started

>>82972099
Faith supplanting reason is a foundational aspect of the christian mythology.

There's no point in arguing with atheists, OP. The only ones that don't believe in God in good faith are agnostics, atheism is inherently a bitter position

>>82971591 (OP)
>theists believed that God's world is logical and therefore observable
and where are we now?
theists used to be cool studying the unknown, now what do they do exactly?

The reason theists (specifically, Abrahamics) turned against scientific study was because they realized it would pull the rug from under their theology.

>>82972304
The reason """theists"""" turned against scientific study is because they are retards easily manipulated by the church and representative leaders that don't know shit
There isn't a single theory, paper or idea that negates God in this world besides materialism which is bogus since just the existence of conscience btfo it

Theists being retarded isn't an argument against God, and I do agree that they're retarded

>>82972430
developing sciences at the time went against accepted theology, just look up how many had to die or be imprisoned over the Heliocentric model.
Of course, with time the evidence became overwhelming and theologians had to adapt their stories to match the science instead.
Hell, I've seen them do it with evolution as of late, just accepting it and going "well see it never disagreed with the religion" when just two decades ago all I could hear was them fuming about it.

Of course this doesn't discount the possibility of A god existing, I just think non of the models we have today are useful.

>>82972304
You just have extreme prejudice which causes you to assume you know what theists are like.

They are still scientists and philosophers and engaged in research across all levels of society. But you ignorantly associate them with low IQ bumpkins because you watched too much liberal media.

Yes, many stupid people are theists. Many stupid people are atheists. I guarantee the theist stupid people are better than the atheist ones. The intelligent theists are also better than the intelligent atheists.

All the posts in this thread claiming theists are against scientific study are just coping retards who don't actually know anything about the beliefs of scientists because it isn't publicized for your consumption.

>>82971591 (OP)
There's nothing to understand, atheists are just straight up stupid.

>>82972200
Most atheists are sadistic psychopaths but as an atheist who's not one I can only say that believing in god in this day and age with our technology is inherently delusional because god won't fucking save you from your enemies and if you get captured or killed they will literally shit on your god and punish you extra hard. Gods are useless. Weapons aren't.

>>82972495
Dwarfin was literally a theist. Evolution doesn't prove anything against God
It's funny how atheists pick the most retarded niche subgroup of religious beliefs to pick on. Fundamentalists are retards that think the Earth is 7 thousand years old

>when just two decades ago all I could hear was them fuming about it
Again, tards being tards don't prove anything to either side. The same way that religious boomers trying to ban videogames didn't mean anything besides showing that they're mentally impaired

>>82972511
Youre sincerely the most pathetic Ive encountered today. You come into a thread where the OPs message is about how all science follows from theism when it doesnt to be inflammatory, just another rhetorical shitting ground on this misrable website, and then you act as if you have any high ground over anyone else. I doubt its true that smart theists and smart atheists or stupid theists and stupid atheists can be compared in your childish simple minded way, but I can guarantee you that all four groups are superior to you.

Brootal
Even I was going to be a little more lenient

>>82972549
>atheists
I'm not an atheist thoughbeit, I'm a theist myself, mostly agnostic. Not Abrahamic, and honestly don't believe any of religions we see around.
If you want a genuine discussion on this you'll really have to drop the "Us vs Them" mindset.

The fact that Abrahamics can't agree on a single sect or religion imo discounts all of it from being real. Studying them, you'd realize there's plenty of ways to make his version (with all the bells and whistles) infalliable while maintaining the choice of people to believe or not (At least, up to the point currently accepted by Abrahamists)

>>82972511
I think you should reread what I said.
Most theists, atheists, and agnostics you meet will be normal, average people with normal average worries.
I'm really discussing the scholars here, of science and of theology.
I never said that theist scholars were bad or unintelligent, but that theist theory often turned against science theory as a way to protect itself (note, often this meant theist scholars killing other theist scholars who simply supported scientific theory)

>>82971591 (OP)
God of the gaps. When theists don't understand something, the answer is always God wills it and they are satisfied with that. The search for truth ends there. Many such cases in history.

>>82972860
Every year muh God of the gaps shrinks as we get more knowledge about how the world functions. I wonder for how long will tards use that