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Anonymous No.83052608 [Report] >>83052819 >>83052829 >>83052884 >>83052941 >>83052983 >>83053019 >>83053252 >>83053675 >>83053739 >>83053752 >>83053876 >>83053926 >>83053966 >>83055506 >>83056413
Do u think aliens are anywhere near us?
Anonymous No.83052819 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
If you mean intelligent extraterrestrials- no at minimum 10 000:1 odds.
Anonymous No.83052829 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
I don't think so, no. Unless you mean microbes, then maybe but I also don't think so.
Anonymous No.83052884 [Report] >>83052886 >>83052911 >>83054447
>>83052608 (OP)
I think they are watching us the same way we observe isolated tribes: collecting data and studying our culture/behavior without directly interfering. They must think we are not ready for contact yet. I don't think it is far-fetched to assume some of them might even be living normal lifes on Earth.
Anonymous No.83052886 [Report] >>83052935
>>83052884
>They must think we are not ready for contact yet.
sybau we lit af unc
Anonymous No.83052911 [Report] >>83053266
>>83052884
Okay wouldn't way to force alien disclosure is to start nuclear war?
Anonymous No.83052935 [Report]
>>83052886
wtf is that an alien???
Anonymous No.83052941 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
no, I originally do not think so
Anonymous No.83052983 [Report] >>83053015 >>83053025
>>83052608 (OP)
Prokaryotic life is probably not that rare in the universe. Eukaryotes might be a lot less common, same for complex multicellular life, and human-like intelligence is very likely a fluke that's super rare.
Anonymous No.83053015 [Report]
>>83052983
>and human-like intelligence is very likely a fluke that's super rare.
thank god
imagine alien zoomers
as if humans aren't insufferable enough
Anonymous No.83053019 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
I sure hope not, it's already unfortunate enough that life developed on Earth, knowing that the curse of consciousness is widespread through the universe would sure be a bummer
Anonymous No.83053025 [Report] >>83053071 >>83053206
>>83052983
Nah, eukaryotes differently aren't as rare as you might think. Even in this world dominated by eukaryotes there still exists things like thiomargarita magnifica that have come about and convergently evolved many of their traits and even a very large size. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomargarita_magnifica

All they would need is some endosymbiont to help with ATP production and they're set to becoming like the ancestor to Eukaryotes. Beyond that there's Parakaryon, which if it turns out to be a real specimen and not an artefact of degradation would mean that Eukaryote-like organisms have evolved on this planet at least twice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parakaryon

I think human-like intelligences and civilizations are self-defeating though, I mean just look at how we're degrading in the modern era and all of the civilizational collapses of the past. We've risen far this time, but that's not guaranteed to mean we will the next time. We've burnt through so much of our natural fossil fuel resources too, so the next industrial revolution will be hindered if it does occur.
Anonymous No.83053071 [Report]
>>83053025
>We've risen far this time
who's we? only the west had a shortlived boomer paradise after WW2. global hot wars without lots of nukes aren't happening anymore
cucknology and memedecine aren't much of a rise when life is still as insufferable as between post-big-war utopias for the winners. some shitholes have psilocybin banned when it could have fixed the dysfunctional people in its population
Anonymous No.83053206 [Report] >>83053340
>>83053025
>All they would need is some endosymbiont
I think that's the big jump. Having a single organism take on an endosymbiont is difficult. Having them consistently reproduce together seems almost impossible.
Anonymous No.83053252 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
I like the Fermi Paradox theory
Human life is what, 150k years? and our known recorded history so far is about 10k - 12k years old

As a species, we're still young :>
Anonymous No.83053266 [Report]
>>83052911
Maybe nuclear war is common and see as a natural part of life
Anonymous No.83053340 [Report]
>>83053206
I don't see it as such a big jump, especially since T. magnifica as part of its evolution to becoming so large has its own internal membranes and encapsulated DNA(iirc it has transport methods similar to Eukaryotes for its cytoskeleton too). For Eukaryotes all kinds of endosymbionts have come and gone. Pelomyxa for example has no mitochondria but instead just have symbiotic bacteria. Then you have the varieties of algae, red, green and so on that have popped up using photosynthetic bacterium and even some examples like ciliates found with azoamicus that are endosymbionts that utilize nitrates in place of oxygen for their hosts to produce ATP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azoamicus

You also have bacteria that parasitize not only other bacteria but even some archaea. https://microbiologysociety.org/news/press-releases/a-novel-bacteria-parasitizing-archaea.html
Any parasite that's ectoparasitic has the potential to evolve into being endoparasitic as well and parasites can evolve mutualistic relationships or vice versa. I think once you have large celled organisms like this is becomes almost inevitable with enough time that they get symbionts, whether parasitic or mutualistic. Under the right circumstances one will become the other and so on. I don't think it's much of a coincidence that Eukaryotes have had molecular analyses done that all seem to point to their origins being after a snowball Earth event(the Huronian glaciation) either, I think that was the condition set to make what was an endoparasitic symbiont into a mutualistic one. The parasite relied on its host and both it and its host were thrust into a cold, slow and harsh world with likely very limited regions for food to be found(hydrothermal vents being an example). Working together was necessary for both of them to survive and it led to exaptations that made the combined product that would dominate the planet.
Anonymous No.83053382 [Report]
there are aliens in your walls right now but everyone are too retarded and control-freaky to figure out it's okay to disclose it. I'm genuinely only half-shitposting. I won't elaborate further.
Anonymous No.83053675 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
Very likely in our own galaxy, at least. Stars with planets in the habitable zone are fairly common which improves the odds significantly. What might be more rare is complex life, but I have little doubt that there is numerous other life in our galaxy at any given time, and perhaps even thriving planets like Earth. But we will never know for sure, most likely.
Anonymous No.83053739 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
Microbial aliens seem highly likely, especially with the recent discoveries on Mars. Unicellular lifeforms were the only ones present on Earth for like 3 billion years, so with two instances in the same solar system, I bet there are a shit ton of alien microbes out there.

But multicellular alien life? At this point I doubt it but who knows, we've still only scratched the surface exploring our own solar system and know next to nothing about any others.
Anonymous No.83053752 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
I think that space-time is one thing, and there are aliens whose bodies are made of time just like ours are made of space. They take up one point in space just like we take up one point in time.
Anonymous No.83053876 [Report] >>83053892
>>83052608 (OP)
Alien-like being are in the pacific ocean and under the crust everywhere. Earth is more their planet than ours.
Space aliens? Not sure, but probably.
Anonymous No.83053892 [Report]
>>83053876
beings*
Anonymous No.83053926 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
My half-brother claimed he saw a UFO land in our backyard. I think he was bullshitting, but he gave a pretty convincing story.
Anonymous No.83053966 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
God I hope not. This werewolf keeps breaking into my home and draining my cock. If that's not supernatural I don't know what is. Last thing I need is aliens too.
Anonymous No.83054447 [Report] >>83054993
>>83052884
Are you thinking this for entertainment or seriously? If the latter, the zoo hypothesis has innumerable flaws.
Anonymous No.83054993 [Report] >>83055481
>>83054447
>the zoo hypothesis has innumerable flaws.
Name them
Anonymous No.83055481 [Report]
>>83054993
The main flaw seems to be that it rests on the intuition of an expedition in the mind's eye. However, as you know, to operate space-faring vessels, you need a civilization with many people, that have many more vessels. In real life, whenever we try to bar contact isolation, our success rate is almost zero. The problem compounds by many orders of magnitudes for a much larger society.
Additionally, such an advanced civilizations would be highly proficient in simulations, that the benefit of instant contact would noticeably outweigh any minor losses in simulation fidelity which it would expect to continue patching in the future anyway. Even if we assume this is not the case, the cost of contact and a first strike would have a much lower cost than hiding every sign of existence, something that would require an extreme amount of resources.
Finally, we can predict that in the long run, memetic selection (even if we assume any single observer is very different culturally, although we can predict that in their diversity, many of their sectors will be similar to our own approaches) will discourage ideas which promote isolation. At the same time, natural selection is obviously not an impediment, since we couldn't pose any credible threat.
What is much more likely is the conceptual extension of the zoo hypothesis, namely that this is a simulated Universe, but it only partly minimizes the aforementioned problems, and introduces a new host.
Anonymous No.83055506 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
I think they're here since a long time.
Anonymous No.83056413 [Report]
>>83052608 (OP)
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