Thread 83079975

im a straight women looking to meet a conservative gay man. Just for friendship purposes.

I like it when gay guys are normal. I find that men who are sexually oriented towards men can be a little more honest, and I just love and appreciate that. Men are more honest than women in general, and I love the blunt honesty. I talk the same way and most of the women around me take insult for describing things as they are.

I think it's obvious why im asking for a gay guy, unless your also an asexual man / not attracted to women. I loveeeeee men, guys trust. But I know that I am not able to talk to a straight man and cultivate the same friendship I would with a gay man, that's just a matter of reality.

My whole entire life I've always thought I was like a "gay" man trapped in a woman's body. Gay hyphenated obviously because I'm straight lol. but conservative gay guy would just be like a 10x more-rational, woman, trapped in a man's body.

I think it's sodomy but im a christian and I am not here to judge you or your choices because we all fall short. self awareness is the first step.

>>83079975 (OP)
Are you sure you don't just want to convert a gay man to be straight for you?

Anyways, I fit the bill but am a little concerned.

>>83079975 (OP)
Fit the bill too
I thought I was bisexual but it turns out, I'm more nervous around cute guys compared to beautiful women

>>83079991
Why would I wanna convert a gay man when I could go out and get a normal straight guy myself lol.

how old are you :D im 20. Where do you meet gay people like yourself?

>>83080008
my phenotype is handsome man face with woman everything else, why are you bisexual

>>83080024
Maybe because you find them less "traditionally masculine" based on your post. I don't judge though.

I'm 20 also. I don't really meet a lot of people.

>>83080046
>why are you bisexual
oh my god you can't just ask that!
jkjk
idk, i've always had a thing for guys even when i was a kid

still remember this one guy back in middle school, we played spin the bottle but the goal wasn't to kiss or anything, it was guys all around so we had to like do something stupid/funny
so the bottle got to me and i made a sort of a blowjob motion and everyone went "holy shit dude ew!" EXCEPT this one guy
me and him were friends for a while but we never did anything because he was in another class + always around girls

>>83080047
I love masculine men though, I consider myself a masculine leaning woman. Hence the gay man trapped in woman's body!!

Honesty is huge lol if that wasn't emphasized in the post, I stated the reasons why I wanted a gay friend, and they were genuine lol. I guess its just a communication thing.

would you like to exchange info :)

>>83080075
I get that with further context I suppose.

Sure. Do you want my discord?

>>83080096
sure hopefully we can move off the discord eventually :)

>>83079975 (OP)
>I think it's sodomy but im a christian and I am not here to judge you or your choices because we all fall short. self awareness is the first step.
aaaand nobody is ever gonna add you after reading this

>>83080192
@nakedeyesnakedeyes

>>83080194
hahahahah wow ur so intolerant..

>>83080206
Im intolerant of jewish derived religions.

>>83080216
A DURRRRRRR okay fag what's the basis of your beliefs then? mine follows a 2000 year old tradition that's probably the most written about subject ever in history.

>>83080239
>okay fag what's the basis of your beliefs then?
my own opinions and observations. And i constantly try to compare my opinions against objective reality and reject them if they don't match up.

compared to religion, which is the opposite, forcing reality to conform to your own expectations and biases.
>mine follows a 2000 year old tradition that's probably the most written about subject ever in history.
Most written about? definitely. Does it make it true? No. People used to write a lot about dragons in ancient China, does it mean they are real?

Anyway. I don't understand why you want to be friends with people you see as "sodomites." Typical faghag. You don't respect us and see us as just cheap entertainment

>>83080269
no actually youre just major retard who knows nothing about philosophy and have an insane ego.

>"muhhh my own opinions and observations!!! I compare my opinions with objective reality, and "Reject" them if they don't match"
nigga your a gay man. that in itself, is against your biology and against the natural process of your body- objectively speaking. your argument collapses on its own principles.

Also LMAO to "My OWN opinions and observations" okay so you do you or do you not believe in objective reality? you either believe in what's real and true, or you have your opinions. You should try to understand things OUTSIDE of your opinions and observations, because those things are not static and ever changing, and our observations/senses are constantly deceived given the nature of this world.

the difference between you and I is your a subjective empiricist are claiming to believe in objective reality. this is an incoherent position to anyone familiar with philosophy. if you are coming to truth claims by personal observation then there is no objective standard to compare anything. you cannot claim relativism and objectivity you sissy.

and your DISHONEST understanding of christian philosophy is that it tries to "force reality to conform to biasses" is just the biggest lie ever and makes it so clear you have no idea what you're talking about. BASIC patristic philosophy and thomisitic philosophy say that reality is rational and ordered, and we can come to know it through rationality-"logos". You can dismiss christianity alll you'd like but your entire worldview brows from christian philosophy EVERY SINGLE TIME you talk about truth, without "logos" you are just left with opinions. if there's no objective reality, then all u are is are just a bunch of chemical reactions in your brain that u like to call
"opinions" u faggot.

>>83080269
>>83080459
also, why I would want be friends with sodomites? because unlike you I don't reduce people down to one thing. I don't see gay men as solely as sodomites. I see them as men who struggle against their flesh. and everyone has their own struggle. I don't judge gay men for their sexual sin because their sexual sin is just sin. no different than sins like gluttony, greed, ego, etc. It is something that can be overcome, but that it isn't my goal to change anyone. I am a christian who believes everyone has inherent worth, so your claim at the end is just untrue lol

>>83080459
>>83080475
Poor dude you added. You're this homophobic yet hes probably lonely looking for some attention.

Hope he reads this thread and blocks your deluded, repressing ftm tranny ass. Kill yourself, whore. And your jew god isn't real.

I have no idea what just went on, but I'm dropping my disc regardless if you wanna talk OP
@anonfromthesea

>>83080531
ahhhhhh u mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 0 reading comprehension skills maybe you're just to retarded for your own good.

have fun treating ur hiv for the rest of ur life, and seething that you'll never truly~ be loved by another man, like how he loves a woman.

>>83080562
hiii its op, did u wanna drop some facts abt urself :)

>>83079975 (OP)
How can you want a man who identify with his sin like its a possitive trait to have in a friend as a Christian... like yeah you can be friends with gay people but its not a possitive and you shouldn't want them to be. Maybe look for a celibate male friend if you have so much internalised misogyny that you hate the idea of being friends with other women so much that you start acting trans. There are honest women maybe just look for a female Russian/German friend thats what my most honest female friends are.

>>83080595
*identifies

>>83080573
whaddya wanna know specifically?
you gotta be direct i'm on the spectrum

>>83080569
>have fun treating ur hiv for the rest of ur life, and seething that you'll never truly~ be loved by another man, like how he loves a woman.
This dumb ahh foid doesn't know that pREP exists and that gays have a lower rate of divorce than straights

Also you're deluded if you think a fiend like you is ever going to ever find true love. Narcissist vipers always die alone in the end. I don't need to say anything further, you ARE going to find out one day, whether that's now or in 30 years.

>>83080595
retardo spotted. When did I ever say I wanted to be gay? and also assuming I have no female friends because I said MOST women don't appreciate honesty. its just true, im not sure if you know what a generalization is. I have PLENTY of amazing girlfriends, hence why I am asking for male. I love being a woman i'm not sure why you'd suggest I'm misogynistic, literally 0 basis for that.

Maybe you missed the whole ~conservative gay part. From what i've seen conservative gay men do not identify with their sin.. which is the whole point.

>>83080655
If you identify as "gay" you identify with your sin same as if i told people i identify as a "liar" or "envious" in the same way they tell people they are gay move on and try to do better we all have different temptations dont tell people you are that temptation. Maybe I got the misogynist part from when you said
>My whole entire life I've always thought I was like a "gay" man trapped in a woman's body.
Just because your honest thats misogynistic trans ideology

>>83080642
you are not beating any of the stereotypes lmaooooooo.

gay couples have higher divorce rates than couples that pray together.

here you are bitching at me crying like the fucking sissy you are because I refuted you lmao. you literally are playing into your own stereotype.

I don't think I'll have a problem finding true love trust me, IM A WOMAN lolllllll.

>>83079975 (OP)
I'm a straight man and I've always wanted to meet a lesbian girl as friends. It must be nice talking to a woman honestly without being insecure about your appearance or trying to be someone else that's more attractive than yourself. I've had this fantasy for a while, but unfortunately I can't talk to others. And even if I did, the last person they'd talk to is a nerdy chud

>>83080696
You might find it easy to push out a few retarded kids out of your gaping hole but nobody's going to ever love you. Also obviously repressing tranny "i'm a gay man born in a woman's body hehe"

>>83080714
I'll continue. I don't trust men, especially normies after an experience with my best friend at 15 (no, I wasn't raped). It would be comforting being best friends with a lesbian woman, even if we differ politically and sexually. And I wouldn't get jealous if she had a girlfriend than I would if she had a boyfriend. It must be nice, but I'll keep dreaming. As long as she's sensitive and emotional, not some non-chalant douchebag or being an asshole as she tries to be 'masculine', they're usually nerdy too which is sweet. But I don't think I'll ever find one, given my looks, that I don't go outside, and I'm chuddy. Or maybe she'll just break my trust for women too

>>83080692
to insinuate and try and diagnose me that I hate myself because I FEEL a certain way is absolutely absurd, especially when I am telling you it is not the case? yeah try tell me im a tranny with the little info youve got about me. I love being a woman. I never suggested otherwise lmao. you've come to this conclusion based off the fact I said was that I FELT a certain way.
feelings mean nothing to true philosophers like myself.

There's nothing wrong with admitting your short comings. this is a very shallow view. Most new converts share their testimony with other practicing christians to celebrate their salvation. There are tons of gay men who practice celibacy, because it's against the flesh. things can change. Im not reducing people down they're sin the way you do. just because someone has homo-attraction, Christians believe it is the action that is sinful. not the person.

>>83080731
no ill get married to my husband in the church and we will be fruitful. while you die because of aids or something and you'll be fat and gross cos ur basically just a hedonist.

the The Queer/Tranny projection is crazy. I am a woman. just because I FEEL a certain way that does not make me it. unlike you, who suffices to their flesh. Transgenderism is an illness.

>>83080765
You can admit your sins and shortcomings without saying your "gay" also you generalise what Christians believe like they are one group. Through this post your looking for someone who still identifies as gay

>>83080765
If you were a true philosopher youd think about were those feelings come from. Im not saying your trans im saying you try to associate your personality traits with men then think "oh that makes me like a man" which is stupid dumb logic. You are a woman all your traits are female traits.

>>83080787
You're not getting married to no one, bitch. Hang yourself.

You don't even belong here as a woman anyway. Just another retarded attention whore narcissist.
>>83080787
>the The Queer/Tranny projection is crazy. I am a woman. just because I FEEL a certain way that does not make me it. unlike you, who suffices to their flesh. Transgenderism is an illness.
We all know what you really want. YWNBAGM (you will never be a gay man)

>>83080808
I don't WANT TO BE A GAY MAN. you guys are so fucking weird. I am content and happy being a woman. Being a woman is a blessing. why do you keep trying to push ur gayness on me? im a straight woman who likes men.

>"Bitch"
ur so flamboyant you can't even help it

>>83079975 (OP)
Hello, I am a conservative gay man. I made this image. Do you want to be friends with me

>straight woman in her 20s
>heidegger posting

>>83080804
me when I cannot fathom what a generalization is. HELLLOOOOO I said that in my first reply to you.

I think it is OBVIOUS that personality traits are not inherent or directly tied to gender. I didn't think I needed to expand on that. but it's called a generalization, I did mention that to you in my first reply.

>>83080832
YES I DOplssss

>>83080860
OK how can I add you anonette

>>83080824
>I don't WANT TO BE A GAY MAN. you guys are so fucking weird. I am content and happy being a woman. Being a woman is a blessing. why do you keep trying to push ur gayness on me? im a straight woman who likes men.
>Im a gay man trapped in a woman's body
>Men are more honest than women
Yeah, nobody believes you.

>ur so flamboyant you can't even help it
Why? Because i accurately described what you are? A literal slut. A bitch. That is what you are. A baby incubator. That is literally what you were created for. You literally are not meant for any other higher purpose.

Even a gay man is worth much more than you.

>>83080834
im complex okay.
hegel <3 heideger <3
western tradition of ontological thought <3 plato <3 Aristotle<3 Augustine and aquinas <3

>>83080854
Then why the heck did you say you always felt like a gay man in a woman's body you have literally never explained that that isnt a generalisation lol

>>83080864
did u wanna add on discord and then move somewhere else? im not too active there.. drop ur discord

>>83080867
cute, you should date me

>>83080879
I do but I'm a little shy to post my Discord... hmm. Also where else would we move do you reckon?

>>83080878
that comment about feeling like a gay man has nothing to do with other women's capacity to speak honestly? how could u come to that im a misogynist because I PERSONALLY, feel a certain way. what would MY FEELINGS personally, have to do with how I perceive other people, im states multiple times throughout this thread that it is important to understand objective reality. you just completely ignored that I guess.

I mentioned it quickly and I didn't think I needed to explain myself, there's reasons to it, but I was also just being a little tongue and cheek and you and the other fag in this thread took it hyper-literally.

>>83080930
Thats why its INTERALISED it impacts how you perceive YOURSELF.

>>83080930
Explain one good reason you feel like a man that isnt linked to interalised misogynistic thinking

>>83080907
hmm... do u have X? ill post my handle then change it..
jesusfirst333

>>83080966
Nooo I don't I'm afraid. Although you can change Discord handles quickly too. Hmm I can do that but I need to find my password... unless you can do it quicker. Sorry for being a pain - I'm working atm so hard to do all this stuff quickly

>>83080962
>>83080953
how I perceive myself is that im a beautiful smart woman who's owning ur ass on 4chan rn. and ur sitting here telling me that I have internalized misogyny, and trying to tell me how I perceive myself. and im telling you "no." I literally just said to u I was being tongue and cheek about the gay man thing.

that's not how I perceive myself, and that's a fact. and you are the one trying to tell me how I feel, how can u possibly argue something that I am telling you is factually not the case? You are the one who needs to provide good reasons as to why you seem to THINK, that I hate myself, even though ive told you I don't hate myself.

emphasis on the you seem to think, because it is obviously not true.

this girl clearly wants to proselytize. Steer clear, homosexuals.

>>83081101
Christians are total freaks, especially the women. Literal demons. Jewish brainwashing is real.

>>83081101
>>83081115
sounds like bitter gay bottom seething to me. true misogyny. sorry u will never be a woman? I don't care to proselytize you fags on here, my original post said it all honestly.

>>83080239
>what's the basis of your beliefs then? mine follows a 2000 year old tradition
Are you forgetting the part of that tradition that says you are inferior to men and should never hold any position of authority/power or teaching over males?
It's always ludicrous how abrahamists will say their faith is "2k years old" as if it was a good thing. Excuse me but you're following some heavily antiquated material. If you were sick and you could choose between a doctor practicing ancient folklore and a doctor who had the most cutting edge technology, you would choose the latter.

>>83081022
Well then stop feeding into trans ideology from now on by acting like your personality can make you "like a man" you will always be a woman everything you do is inherently feminine

>>83080459
>that in itself, is against your biology and against the natural process of your body
Not really since being gay is part of biology and a result of the natural processes of our bodies.

>>83081135
Kys, whore. Gonna say it again. Not your foid attention whoring board.
>>>/soc/

>>83080475
You see gay men as men who are doing something wrong/bad (being gay). Their sexuality in your opinion, is a negative trait that can be ignored at best. It's a standard homophobic sentiment prevalent in abrahamic religions and the vulnerable gay person you catch in your web will have experienced plenty of it in their lifetime.

>>83080569
this is the same person asking for a gay friend...
I wish gay people here had enough self respect to steer clear from your predatory rhetorics, but unfortunately this is a place for vulnerable people and those who prey on them, so you came to right place to find a victim.
I just wish that any unfortunate gay dude who fell for your tricks could read this post before. More than a friend, you're in search of someone you deem "inferior" so you can step on them, while pretending to be trying to elevate them to your "level".
i doubt you are a girl, but I've met evangelical faghags who fetishized the idea of "saving" homosexuals before.

>>83079975 (OP)
>I talk the same way and most of the women around me take insult for describing things as they are
>but conservative gay guy would just be like a 10x more-rational, woman, trapped in a man's body.
>>83080655
I have PLENTY of amazing girlfriends, hence why I am asking for male
And you act like its crazy to suggest you have some kind of internalised negative view of your womanhood
You literally just go back on whatever you were previously said whenever you are loosing an argument.

>>83081230
>"I have PLENTY of amazing girlfriends, hence why I am asking for male"

Was supposed to be quoted lol my mistake

>>83081135
>don't care to proselytize
That's all you've been doing in this thread, though? Going as far as quoting christian philosophy and calling gays "aids ridden" sinners who "will never be loved like a woman"
And this is the person "looking" for a gay friend, lmao. Imagine if you were looking for a gay enemy. god forbid

>>83081145
I see no part in my religion that suggest that women are inferior to men. you are just dishonest and coping. God made all man and woman in his image and likeness. men and women are different in nature, but equal nonetheless. The bible doesn't say we can't have teaching authority, plenty of women flourish as teachers and care givers over young boys and girls. I don't see the problem with women not being able to teach in the church though. After all, the twelve disciples were male, and they were the ones sent out to teach about the gospel.

you are so wrong lmao. you are confusing spiritual continuity from 2000 years ago, to scientific progress. theology and medicine are not the same type of knowledge. Science is concerned with empiricism, things every changing, theology is concerned with immutable topics, like what it means to be a human person, and what the divine is. The comparison doesn't even make sense. faith isn't medicine, and God is not technology, you cannot "update" objective truth, its static and consistent always. The gospel is also timeless news. Doctors deal with decaying bodies, faith deals with the soul. For sure id take a modern doctor, but id also take ancient faith because it outlives everything else.

>>83081272
you guys are so weird. so you can strike me and call me names, but I cannot answer back? grow the hell up. I don't care to change the repliers views, im simply answering them?? when did 4chan become so fucking sensitive.

>>83081272
I didn't call gay people aids ridden, I was talking to the individual I was replying to. why can u not separate the two

>>83081161
sorry are u a human being or a fucking animal??? having anal sex is not a natural part of your biology, if it was natural there wouldn't be SO MANY illness and disease that come from it.

>>83081302
The post you made was dumb... maybe you should take a hint from the fact no one has agreed with you and the only people you've pulled is insecure lonely men which is a given from any post made by a woman on 4chan

>>83081160
you are so retarded. this whole thread has been arguing against transgenderism and your sitting here telling me im contributing to it. anyone reading this with any sort of capacity will see.

>>83081284
The whole abrahamic mythos is built around the idea that women (eve) are to blame for humanity's fall from grace.
>Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. Genesis 3:16

>>83081374
the post I made was smart and the only people who are mad about is screeching twinks. if ur mad about it maybe you need to reevaluate.

you guys have ruined the word incel so much to the point where any man who disagrees with you or doesn't hold left-leaning social views, is an incel.

>>83081284
>see no part in my religion that suggest that women are inferior
Probably because you are blind, or unwilling to see. Cognitive dissonance is very common in religious people, specially when they worship a religion that clashes against their own identity.
>Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. Colossians 3:18

Teach the young women to be ... obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. Titus 2:4-5

Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands. 1 Peter 3:1

>>83081404
and then Jesus Christ came and we were all saved and we can all be saved through him. When you are baptized the stain of original sin goes away. what's your point?

>>83081284
>The bible doesn't say we can't have teaching authority

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing. 1 Timothy 2:11-15

>>83081434
And then Paul came and cemented the misogyny in the epistles as quoted.

>>83081434
There's nothing more satisfying than seeing a "christian" battling with the inconvenient verses they claim to "worship"

>>83081284
>theology and medicine are not the same type of knowledge
One is real and can be used with reliability to cure diseases, even the disease you accused homos of spreading.
The other is just the rotted branch of philosophy, more concerned with affirming old texts than actually building knowledge. Nothing is immutable, but every new discovery abd evidence must be distorted beyond recognition until it fits the outdated deliriums of hebrew nomads.

>>83079975 (OP)
This entire post implies that every man you've had in bed has been above your league.
Remember that in the word boyfriend there's friend? Your post tells me you've been pumped and dumped, or you had beta orbiters

>>83081427
none of these are controversial. like I said, different in nature, but completely equal ontologically. The Ephesians verse you gave is not an example of women being inferior, rather, it's Paul expressing a mutual pattern of self-giving love, he even commands the husbands to have a SACRIFICIAL love for their wives, like christ did for the church.. Both man and woman should be modelling the love of Christ, according to the verse you gave.

I know modernly we may confuse sameness, and equality, but it is just not the case, the christian view is much richer actually. We are all equal in dignity, but different in expression. it isn't understood as inequality, but harmony. both are needed, and neither are complete without the other.

Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

>>83081284
>For sure id take a modern doctor
Because you know your faith is useless when it comes to actual reality.
Whether or not you're willing to admit that, it's a whole different issue.
>god is not technology
I know, because the hebrew god is not real. Ancient folklore isn't objective truth, and heavily inconsistent. That's why different people will have different ideas of what faith and god means, so much so that the churches have fragmented, each one claiming to be the right one. It's never too long until you start ripping each other apart due to minor theological disagreements

anonette will you post discord

>>83081548
im shyyyyy I don't wanna post it cos I like my handle ;-;

were u not able to find your password?

>>83081302
All you care about is finding a victim so you can proselytize your religious zealotry to them.
In the same thread where you beg for a gay friend, you end up revealing your own opinions on them, and it doesn't look good.
It's best if you remain friendless

>>83081459
>>83081478
Paul didn't do that but okay lmfao

>>83081562
no I wasn't arrghh. I can still search for it if you really need me to. is there a limit on how many times you can change your discord account name? this is tricky

>>83081576
ur so miserable man no one gives a shit what you think. you're just dishonest and no one is considering ur comments as legitimate. you can just move on instead of trying to convince yourself that im wrong

>>83081362
Human beings are animals. Our ability to breed is not some divine commandment, it's the same animalistic drivel. Being gay is not about anal sex. It's about biology and nature.

>>83081584
here hold on ill give my alt handle, then text u details from there. 3exodus

>>83081579
He did write the misogynistic passages of the new testament that you ignore because they hurt your female sensibilities.
Ignoring the verses that are inconvenient to you us Christianity 101

>>83081593
>you're just dishonest and no one is considering ur comments as legitimate
Darling this is 4chan, not a mirror.
You're a "woman" begging for a gay friend anonymously, even though you consider them sinners, disease ridden and cursed to "never be loved by a man like a woman".
Whatever your "intentions" are with these poor lonely men, "friendship" ain't it.
By the way, the people adding you on discord aren't gay, they're incels so desperate for female attention they will say anything to make you add them.

>>83081639
I'm a fag but personally I enjoy talking with people I disagree with

>>83081616
im not ignoring anything, go on, im sure you're gonna rip verses that you have 0 context on. you can send it if you'd like

>>83081642
You deserve better than to listen to the same tired arguments you listened to back in church. You don't need that. Notice how "she" is the one begging for your contact info.

>>83081651
I already posted the verses and you completely looked over them because faith is irrational, based on feelings and it doesn't do well against logic.

>83081642
people are acting like you cant have friends you disagree with, which is wild. You don't need to support every single thing someone does, it is okay to disagree. I seriously see no issue with that.

>>83081672
okay and I answered it?? so what's your point? I didn't avoid anything, The verses you gave were of similar nature

>>83081535
>We are all equal in dignity, but different in expression
So we are equal, but some are more equal than others?
If Ephesians means that, what about Colossians, Titus and Peter who all demand submissiveness from the wives?
I know you agree that you should be inferior to your husband, but that's precisely the point. Your religion demands you occupy a lower tier beneath your husband.
If that's not misogyny, than what is

>>83081680
OP doesn't really want a friend as much as it wants someone it deems inferior so it can step on them and disguise it as "faith healing"
Notice how they specifically asked for a "conservative gay" meaning a gay who's used to the usual faith based humiliation and won't bite back.

>>83081688
Your explanation is as lacking as your understanding. Even if Paul told the husband to love his wife, he still established a clear hierarchy where the woman is beneath the husband.
This hierarchy is reiterated multiple times in the whole book, where females are portrayed time and time again as inferiors.
Notice how your defense against this claim is along the lines of "it's a good thing to be inferior"

>>83081535
>it isn't understood as inequality, but harmony.
With the male ruling over his wives. That's harmony for a male author and a female so self hating she has to beg gay men anonymously for friendship
I bet women in real life can clock your bullshit from a mile away and church only makes you more alone

>>83081700
No, that sentence u said is contradictory, actually all equal means ALL EQUAL. different expressions does not change the ontological reality that the two are equal.

you're trying to argue against women being submissive to their husbands, as if that changes the ontological reality that the two are equal. There is such thing as equality without sameness, "difference" does not mean "deficient". in Christian scripture, it is understood the submissiveness is actually willingly done. And we can use Jesus as the ultimate example, you see that in Philippians 2:8
>>"And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death.. even death on a cross"

Where did you get the idea that gay men are normal and more honest

>>83081746
nigga shut up, instead of making friends ive been arguing with u fags about philosophy, theology, and trying to explain the difference between being descriptive/describing things as they are, and u guys perceiving me as saying "this is how things should be".

Women in real life love me, hence why I asked for male friends. Im beautiful and intelligent and so patient and non judgemental and sweet, why wouldn't they like me. Im not friends with liberal women, only women like minded like me, which is like most women lol.

>dude gays are safe because they don't want to fuck me they will treat me as an equal
Faggots are just as or moreso as misogynistic and coombrained as straight men but instead of fucking you they want to fucking kill you and wear your skin so they can have what they covet, straight men. The fag's ultimate fantasy is fucking your husband with your vagina

>>83081852
not more normal then straight men. And men are just more honest in general.

I said that conservative gay men are more normal than normal gay men lol- atleast conservative gay men can at least stop their sexual attraction from effecting their rational thinking about everything else in the world.

>>83081887
>>">dude gays are safe because they don't want to fuck me they will treat me as an equal"
I never said that this is the reason id be friends with gay men, you could have at least read my post.

and the second part of your comment is probably true, most of the fags are in here screeching at me anyways for what I said.

>>83081732
Pauls hierarchy is not hierarchy as you understand it. In Christianity, hierarchy is about order and function, not about value/human dignity. you can look at the trinity for example of order; equal in essence but the son submits to the father, or you can look to priests. they have the authority to teach, but are servants of the Church.

I already said this in the earlier reply to you, but the Ephesians verse you gave is talking describing a self sacrificial relationship, not a master-subject relationship.

and you go onto ignore verses that affirm the inherent worth of men in women because its convenient for you (Galatians 3:28). Also, in Christianity, "greatness" of a person is not measured by rank, but by the self giving and love. and you can use Matthew 23:11, where Jesus himself teaches
>>"The greatest among you shall be your servant"

Pauls hierarchy isn't the hierarchy of worth, it's a pattern of mutual love that reflects the trinity and the cross. in this pattern, Authority exists for service and submission exists within the freedom of love.

>>83081199
no. I said already said how I view gay men thanks. don't need you putting ur false assumptions down my throat. It is not wrong to say that I disagree with sodomy. Their negative traits is something that does not have to control every aspect of their lives and identity. Why would you suggest otherwise?

Again- why are you reducing gay men to their queerness? they are just men with homosexual attraction, how they ACT is freely up their will. if you think otherwise I think that actually makes YOU homophobic lol.

>>83080714
The only girl who had no problem with hugging me was lesbian, so you can be right.
If they are not attracted to men at all, they don't see you as a ugly trash but just a human.

>OP wants a "conservative gay friend"
>spends entire thread calling us sodomites who'll never be loved
>gets mad when people call her out
>tongue-in-cheek btw ;)
The "gay man trapped in a woman's body" tradwife who outs herself as a narcissist in record time. The only ones DMing you are desperate incels pretending to be gay. Real fags want nothing to do with your conversion therapy fetish.

>>83083258
If that's the take away you got from this thread, I literally cannot spell it out more for you fags to understand. You have 0 capacity to think or read clearly, and that's not to any fault of my own, only yours.

im not a tradwife. trad wife would not be posting on 4chan rn she would be shitting out her 12th kid.