Thread 83092956

Why are obsessed with the idea that women not wanting families is a product of some sort of "brainwashing"? Monogamous family is inherently unnatural for women, they love large interlinked communities and harems and have high preference for female company and even prefer androgynous faces in men. Children are work and men are annoying.
The pictures like op are being spammed all across internet (this is what actual propaganda looks like btw), but they make you feel absolutely nothing. It's not cute or appealing at all and I am confused in what way it is supposed to be appealing. I ve also seen variation on which women did all that in some old cottage barefeet with same caption, but the picture literally just portrayed poverty. Wtf? I'm not saying that no woman wants a family, but this specific vision of family is purely a fucking male fantasy, why would women care about this vision in the first place. How come is a picture of literally being busy with each hand while pestered is supposed to be a "dream"? It's retarded. How are men so retarded.
When I happen to imagine husband I imagine us lying in flower fields under the stars or something, not about fucking working. Being a maid is not fucking romantic

>>83092956 (OP)
Being content with a simple life is pretty romantic.

>>83092956 (OP)
Family is, in fact, oppressive. Community and social interaction are inherently oppressive. True freedom will only come when the oppressed (me) rise up and eliminate all the oppressors (everyone else but me).

>>83092956 (OP)
I have worked in customer service in retail grocery stores for a lot of years now. I interact with a lot of moms at different stages of the mom thing. Some have toddlers, some teenagers, some have one kid, some have many, etc.

The only reason I mention this is that they all seem pretty miserable and stressed. Being good at a miserable task makes it easier for sure, but it's still hard. The only way to do it and keep the stress level down is to not have to work, usually because the man is earning enough to keep everything going.

If she has to work, take care of the house/kids, and take care of a retard male partner, it's pretty much fucked.

>>83093280
>and take care of a retard male partner, it's pretty much fucked
You people talk about how engaged men can't even wipe their asses as if the common denominator wasn't women
>B-but men are also responsible!!1!
Single men surpass single women by double the amount. Women select for those traits

I would never have kids after I saw how miserable we made our mother. Even if I only had daughters there is a huge chance of a birth injury or the kid turning out retarded because of a birth injury or having a weird disorder (all happened in my family). Also basically all the men in my family are abusive. No thanks.

>>83092956 (OP)
the family unit is good is the man is chad and bad if he is incel, that's why women like harems. they all get access to chads while incels work for them

>>83093280
This is the reasn why I'm likely not having kids.
>inb4 feminine male whining

>>83093124
Lol but in a way it is because the purpose of marriage is to just make beta males being content with slaving for elites

>>83093280
Pretty much but I do think some families can be a great loving place, but those do not like the poster. It's usually only egalitarian families that are truly harmonious.
I have seen one vide from the 50s about wife and husband interacting behind dinner table and it was extremely depressing. She was trying to have a convo and ask his opinions on stuff and how he feels and being all nice and he just straight out told her to shut up and that her only work is to make home so she shouldn't have any other thoughts and that he is annoyed by her feely affection.
Things have been extremely shit for women just like, 30 years ago and my mom's generation all still bear scars from just how cruel and dismissive men are when they get women easily. They only whine about romance nowadays because at last women got themselves some standards for male personality and not just "well he works and does not drink or hit me".

>>83093393
Women's retardation is qualitatively different from male retardation. Retarded women are typically ignorant, uncultured, barely literate, unaware of how things work at a deeper level etc. Normie basic bitches, essentially. Clueless, but not dysfunctional. Retarded men on the other hand lack self-awareness to an extreme level in a way that can get offloaded to female partners like literally not even knowing how to operate a washing machine and thinking that a magical fairy keeps the dishes clean. That's not to say that shitty female partners don't also cause trouble (they tend to be terrible at making men feel truly understood to the point where they feel like psychos with no empathy), but the "mothering" complaint is very much based on a real, observable trend.

>>83092956 (OP)
It's brainwashing because the things that supposedly terrify them about the lifestyle they end up doing worse with/for stranger men and bosses that have even less reason to care about any single aspect about their health. It's only slavery and oppressive to them when it's benefiting one guy in a ltr. Obvious mental illness.

>>83093280
>>83093423
>The only reason I mention this is that they all seem pretty miserable and stressed
Imagine typing this as if the average overweight feminist perpetually pumped and dumped wagie isn't still pretty miserable and stressed anyway. But nah it's all because those heckin kids that were raped into them by retards fucked their life up.

>>83092956 (OP)
>Monogamous family is inherently unnatural for women, they love large interlinked communities and harems
Which is why they shouldn't have rights. Female sexual selection is incompatible with a functioning modern society.

>>83092956 (OP)
>Why are obsessed with the idea that women not wanting families is a product of some sort of "brainwashing"?

Jews unironically.

>>83093537
Exactly. Everybody is stressed nowadays because modern life imposes many stressors onto us.

>>83093280
Having offspring is a natural part of life. Would a woman rather go through 18-21 years of child raising or be permanently alone after 40ish?

>>83092956 (OP)
Humans have pair bonded since they first came into existence. We aren't a harem species, harems are an unnatural product of post-agricultural society. The most you see in hunter-gatherer tribes is the few gigachads of the tribe having multiple girlfriends.

>>83093498
I dont think women cook for their bosses, or do them any sort of emotional management or wash their socks, neither do they carry them around on their hips. So what are you on about.
>It's only slavery and oppressive to them when it's benefiting one guy in a ltr.
Why do you find yourself entitled to choosing what others find opressive? I dont quite get the sentiment, but its possible to see how serving many may be more profitable than serving one, because you can exchange a wider array of skills inbetween each other this way. For example, one gives you money, but the other person is great to travel with while the third is a good for supporting each mentally. Rarely can just one person meet all of life needs of another. So how is it a mental illness? It clearly rationalistic selfserving approach.

>>83093574
Most people do not know all those activists, its "fucking who" for them. Even during my presence in radfem commnitiies I only ever heard of Dvorkin because she got memetic for some reason

>>83093607
You can have chidren in your 40s nowadays, and honestly it sounds like the most optimal choice since at that point you would be bored with everything else anyways, plus have money to make it easy for yourself
Also if you have children in your 20s you would still be alone in your 40s because children grow up and leave the nest eventually duh. Google empty nest syndrome

>>83093655
>harems are an unnatural product of post-agricultural society. The most you see in hunter-gatherer tribes is the few gigachads of the tribe having multiple girlfriends.
Bro said "the same thing but slighly less worse"

>>83093671
>I dont think women cook for their bosses, or do them any sort of emotional management or wash their socks, neither do they carry them around on their hips.
Yeah instead they work 50 hours a week for them, while still being financially dependent on them. But hey, at least they'll be able to fulfill whatever surrogate activity they choose to once they've hit menopause.

>>83093537
Nta but you can choose to not be an overworked prematurely aging mom with a manchild husband and a feminist who engages in hookups all day.
I'd rather be alone and be a neet who plays vidya, I don't care because society has rejected me .

>>83093655
I obviously didnt mean harem as in royal gigaharem, but like just multiple (same genration) women living under one family and all taking care of each others children together

>>83093715
>or a feminist*

Women never wanted children in the first place, men forced it upon them.

>>83093689
>You can have chidren in your 40s nowadays, and honestly it sounds like the most optimal choice
Higher rate of a disabled kid = optimal?

>it sounds like the most optimal choice since at that point you would be bored with everything else anyways
Like what? Most people finish schooling by 25. If you need to fill the void with surrogate activities into your 40s, that's just a sad representation of modern society.

>Also if you have children in your 20s you would still be alone in your 40s because children grow up and leave the nest eventually duh
Maybe for people that are soulless and have no sense of family, but normal people like me still talk to their parents and relatives regularly.

>>83093702
Women only work 50 hours if they really like the work, most of them enjoy pretty frivolous working conditions where they just drink tea in the office all day.
I know there are women on the webs who complain about having to work, but understand this, those are women who would have also hated being housewifes because their issue is never DA BOSS, its the fact that they have to work at all.
Male bosses are very lenient with female workers and you cant grasp it because, yes, men hate each other and will always try to make each others life more miserable if they have means to, but same is not true when a woman works for a man.
My dad is a ceo for small company and he only hires woman and then fucking pays for them to have a collective vacation in exotic places twice a year every year. Mind you they are all married women with kids, he is just anxious about workers leaving so does many benefit crap. He is not that generous with his own fucking family.

Every time I myself worked for a male boss they did nothing but just give me constant praise every time they saw me. Male bosses absolutely their bitches to be honest. Its only when the boss is female that they have any standards for work being done.

>>83093671
Women cook all the time for bosses and do other labor. Emotional management as in what? Women can't even handle their own emotions and take harmful meds for it. They are regularly forced to kiss ass and watch that attitude unless they want to get fired. Cleaning socks is nothing especially since it's not the 1800s where it's by hand. Why are you so stupid? Genuinely. Women stayed working for men and all that changed is the new men they work for give even less of a shit about them. Whether it's bosses, customers or the men with obvious harems that somehow still pump and dump them without them seeing it coming. They're underpaid and have dirty animals to compensate for not having kids. It's not rational it's just endless cope and failure they try to cover up like they do their mid faces with makeup.

>>83093736
The higher rate for disabled kid is still marginal and is never above 10% so it basically doesnt matter, plus you can control the whole process nowadays

> If you need to fill the void with surrogate activities into your 40s, that's just a sad representation of modern society.
How is that sad that people have hobbies lol you must be the truly miserable or mentally ill person. The fact that people can still have fun just like youngs up to their 50s nowadays is absolutely amazing. I dont know how retarded you can be to witness someone passionate about shit and then think that this is sad.

>but normal people like me still talk to their parents and relatives regularly.
Unless you live close by, "regularly" means a few times a month, which does not anyhow compensate for the loss of active busy home. When you are used to someone by your side all the time, even just 3 days apart can be excruciatingly lonely

>>83093780
>Women cook all the time for bosses and do other labor.
> They are regularly forced to kiss ass and watch that attitude unless they want to get fired.
I see you are completely delusional.
Just to clarify, that only happens in your revenge fantasies and movies and real workplaces dont function like that. Touch grass, or better yet, find a job that isnt dagestanian brick factory.

>>83093715
Womalrn prematurely age anyway because they can't take care of themselves or take responsibility in general. They eat too much and don't exercise either because again they don't care about themselves or to spite men. They don't sleep right and take all kinds of meds that have all kinds of side effects including earlier death or weight gain. Most women ride strange dick and it clearly doesn't have to be bonnie blue levels to be a problem. Women like other wagies are overworked because the pay never matches. You're talking about manchildren but these women aren't mentally mature or responsible enough to be much better.

>>83093831
>No u
It's delusional to pretend women aren't making food or doing labor for work. And that they're forced to respect their bosses or customers otherwise they lose their livelihood. Try brushing off your boss or the customers you're serving and see how that goes retard.

>>83093831
If women aren't mistreated in jobs why aren't they paid enough? You touched all that grass so you should be able to answer this.

>>83093778
>wall of text for an anecdote
Don't care.

>>83093803
>The higher rate for disabled kid is still marginal and is never above 10% so it basically doesnt matter
Where does this magical cutoff for 10% come from? Only things that are above 10% matter? What a retarded statement.

>How is that sad that people have hobbies lol you must be the truly miserable or mentally ill person
You would not care about any of your hobbies if you lived in the woods and spent every day gathering food and caring for children like every other animal does. "Hobbies" are a modern invention to find fulfillment where there is none.

>The fact that people can still have fun just like youngs up to their 50s nowadays is absolutely amazing. I dont know how retarded you can be to witness someone passionate about shit and then think that this is sad
A 50 year old who has spent their entire life pursuing a hobby over reproducing is a loser, both in the biological sense and psychological sense. People who dedicate too much time to hobbies are losers.

>Unless you live close by
Yes I do. It's only American hyperindividualist culture and our demanding society that pushes people to leave their families

>>83093875
Kek own, it's always the people who say "go outside and touch grass" who seem to have zero understanding of the world.

>>83093124
Wouldnt it be easeir to just eliminate yourself thus removing your being from the oppressors?

Women even according to themselves are overworked and underpaid, less so but similar to male wagies, and if they don't obey their boss and serve costumers well they absolute will lose their jobs. But feminist retard bots still come here to say um no actually women are perfectly fine as wagies or ghetto harem rejects. Or better yet it's a drastic improvement in quality of life to be mistreated by strangers while having no stable man or kids or a good foundation to offer either much. Women heckin won. Truly cleaning socks and making food in 2025 is basically slavery.

>>83093875
My boss have literally told me previously to ignore all rude customers and that we have have a fast police button for any especially aggressive ones.
A lot of places nowadays have actual signs in them that "we have to a right to refuse service to if you disrespect our workers"

>>83093919
>Where does this magical cutoff for 10% come from?
From medicinal statistics. And it not cutoff, I am saying that it is never above 10 which implies that it varies but is always below
>You would not care about any of your hobbies if you lived in the woods and spent every day gathering food and caring for children like every other animal does.
And? Its not sad that we can afford to not worry about survival. Its a great privilege. Humans have always been interested in knowledge and art and fun, they just couldn't afford it and have forever fought hard so building our civilisation so that one day they kids could do all that cool stuff to the extent of their desire.

> People who dedicate too much time to hobbies are losers.
Holy mother of cope. You belong is asylum.

>>83093936
Understanding of retarded male world.
My female world is easy to understand and I am just sending you letters from it. We never had it this good, cheers. There is of course no perfection in this world, but it still miles better than being anything between years 1300-1900 of Jesus Christ
>>83093901
No one nowadays is underpaid bro, people just like to complain about nonsense. None of those people daying they are underpaid ever had to actually save up pennies for food.
As a side note, women simply ask for smaller pay on interviews, so its their own will for the most part. Women are willing to work for less but thats not abuse

>>83093991
Stop watching tiktok retard and interact with real people outside screens. As I said, find a real job.

>>83093702
>Bro said "the same thing but slighly less worse"
What I'm saying is that most humans pair bond in the wild. It's not some nightmare where like 5% of men are hoarding 95% of women like people like OP say.

>>83094127
>From medicinal statistics
What medicinal statistics state that if something has below a 10% chance of happening then it instantly doesn't matter? Should I press a button that would nuke your third world country if the chance it does it is 5%?

>Its not sad that we can afford to not worry about survival. Its a great privilege
Except it isn't, why are more and more people hopping on anti-depressants?

>they just couldn't afford it and have forever fought hard so building our civilisation so that one day they kids could do all that cool stuff to the extent of their desire.
And look where that has gotten us. Now kids are raised via Coco Melon and Tik Tok.

>Holy mother of cope. You belong is asylum.
Learn English you brown retard.

Working in modern society is honestly extremely easy and people complaining about work (unless they are thirdies where actual slavery is common) dont even register as humans to me. Fucking grow up, doing shit between leisure is good for you.

The cherry on top is that none of those people even actually need to work. No one in the first world does. They are all just extremely stupid and have no personal agency. Its all question of personal vanity and bad consumption habits. If you erase those factors, scamming government out of a variety of subsidies has never been easier and you can also just live with your parents, or even just be a drug addict and goverment will give means to live so that you dont attack others for dose. No one in the modern world actually dies from poverty. Nanny state will take care of you all if you just ask. There are many many people even on this board that only work like three months a year and do bumfuck nothing for the rest of it. Hell, you can just fly to some jungle and live completely off foraging there, just do some research. Absolutely no one is actually forcing anyone to work aside from their own selves. Participation in society is an optional thing.

>>83092956 (OP)
OP because the vast majority of these retarded women end up coping and seething when they end up empty egg baskets later in life.

>>83094237
Personal risks of 10% are negligible and dont matter. Because I said so. I have genetic 8% of diabetes and I dont give a fuck. Similar thing here. No one cares about something happening to them if its just 10% chance in their lifetime. Its not consequential enough
And as I said, that just naturalistic chances, modern medicine allows you to prevent all this shit. Aside from abortions, people can do actual complicated surgeries on fetuses nowadays, like separating smushed limbs and changing location of displaced developing organs. Remember how we had downie epidemic until one day it just stopped being a theme? Well I remember

>Except it isn't, why are more and more people hopping on anti-depressants?
Its really easy. Because they can. Antidepressants are just more effective alcohol. People consume drugs because if you can erase all worries, why wouldn't you do that? Its a cheatcode to life.
One thing that really fascinates me about it all... You know how there are vids on youtube analysing a huge variety of personal childhood traumas and how peoples parents should have been better and such. They are funny to me, because never in history were parents actually proper and unconditionally loving or in perfect control of their emotions. Parents are humans after all. But all those videos paint absolutely normal childhood as extremely traumatic and life ruining. Meanwhile their ancestors developed just fine with even colder parents, that considered regular beating of their kids a spiritual necessity. People are just that coddled, they never develop a spine and prefer being eternal victims of everything.
Taking antidepressants is just a result of this coddling, even smallest inconvenience makes those people lose their crap and they want an escape from their own weak self.
>And look where that has gotten us. Now kids are raised via Coco Melon and Tik Tok.
Not a direct consequence. Modern times have issues, but its not people having free time and hobbies.

>>83094432
How is women seething connected to men having retarded ideas of what looks appealing to women?

>>83094465
>Personal risks of 10% are negligible and dont matter.
Ok, I'll press the 5% nuke button on your shitty little country.

>bread and circuses and chemical enhancements are actually good!
Lmaokek

>>83093280
I don't care how miserable they are. They are not entitled to my tax money. Fuck women. If they want to be men, be men. Work nonstop and stop having babies and expecting handouts. Dumb bitches.

>>83093607
Modern life is a walk in the park. The hours are low, the work is considerably less stressful, safer, less toxic etc, and half the population can opt out whenever they want to live off the earnings of the other half. Unironically the stress is the lack of meaning. Being a cog in a company turns out to not satisfy the human being compared to having a family run business where you are closer and more influential to the input and output of the products.

Anyway, majority of white foids rank being goycattle above being mothers. So if you procreate with these despicable subhumans (feminist) white girls you are quite literally developing a jewish slave race.

>>83094593
>Modern life is a walk in the park
Physically yes, otherwise no. Good luck when random politicians vote to increase taxes and you're fucked. Good luck when an old cripple who can't drive causes traffic and accidents. Good luck when the government takes your guns and leaves you at the whim of any random criminal

>Being a cog in a company turns out to not satisfy the human being compared to having a family run business where you are closer and more influential to the input and output of the products
Yeah, why doesn't everyone just start their own business? That's totally feasible nowadays right?

>>83094593
>The hours are low
Primitive man worked less hours than modern man does

>>83092956 (OP)
Everyone wants a family, it's natural to want to extend your lineage and have people that you can care and rely on no matter what.

Men are shit though, and women no longer see the tradeoff as worth it. It's normal in a world where most people don't have the financial power to settle, get at least a place for themselves.

>>83094478
Go on. Nothing will happen. Russia threatens nukes at us almost every day already but nothing ever happens. I actually kinda welcome such chance because I either just die or it will be interesting times.

They are good, because they are enjoyable. Simple as. Contrary to popular belief, life doesn't have to be about suffering. In fact, it is cucked to believe so.

>>83094706
> Good luck when random politicians vote to increase taxes and you're fucked. Good luck when an old cripple who can't drive causes traffic and accidents. Good luck when the government takes your guns and leaves you at the whim of any random criminal
There is not a single point in history when such things were not a thing. You are lucky the worst your liberal government can do is just ask for more money. 200 years the tax would be 25 years of your life in a war camp.

And yeah starting your businesses is actually pretty easy nowadays. There has never been so many casual "businesmen" as there is today.

>>83094901
>There is not a single point in history when such things were not a thing
Homo erectus did not have taxes, you fucking moron.

>And yeah starting your businesses is actually pretty easy nowadays
Didn't address my point, moron. Can everyone own their own business or is it necessary that most people work as employees under someone else?

>>83092956 (OP)
Because it means their wife is
>always thin & hot bc she could become homeless if he leaves her
>spends all day at home raising his spawn (no chance of meeting other possible male competition or forming supportive friendships in case she needs to leave him)
>being rich enough to support a whole family on 1 income means he can do whatever he wants, including cheating or replacing his wife when she gets old
>no one to tell him what to do like a grandma/grandpa, he's the top dog in his little nuclear family in the suburbs
>don't have to "waste" money on taking care of elderly family members
Would literally rather kms than be a stay at home mom who is forced to only interact with small children for years on end. SAHM only works if you have extended female family/friends that live with you/close to you. Did they not remember what happened to upper class women in the 50's who were SAHMs and who were all drug addicted depressed and lonely? They literally shoved icepicks in their heads in some cases so they won't have to feel how depressing such a life was.

>>83094857
>modern society is good because bread and circuses
>nukes (which were able to be invented by scientific advancements due to modernization of society) actively threatens my way of life

>>83095085
>no chance of meeting other possible male competition
This is a good thing. Prove me wrong.

>>83095152
Only if men also did not interact with women outside of the home (at work, bars, prosties), but we know that'll never happen.

>>83095191
>Only if men also did not interact with women outside of the home
Agreed, monogamy should be respected even if it's more optimal for men to have many women

>but we know that'll never happen.
Funny because women actually cheat more than men do nowadays

>>83095085
>spends all day at home

Plenty had jobs to supplement family income. Kids grow up, america's 50s TFR was 3 kids over a woman's lifespan in the US. These women were abound with free-time without a job. They chilled at the hair salons. Sewing was very popular until not long ago. Every foid house had a sewing machine (check your granny's place). They all loved gardening. Church was popular for women during this setup (not like there's much else to do). Abound with free-time. Instead, nowadays, most bitches just stay at home, ALONE, living like bums with their children off men's taxes while telling men they aint shit. While having no skills. If they had a job, the only skill they likely acquired is sending emails or saying hello snd smiling to a customer.

One thing I always found interesting about these old school women though. Many, maybe due to, I guess, being women without much creativity, chose to spend their time cleaning the house/doing house chores every fucking day, for most of the day. I had an aunt like that and you could not stop her from taking over every chore when she was over.

Women have no idea what to do with their free time. And to be honest, neither do men. People like a purpose. And they like to see progress/growth/development as a consequence of their work.

it's just white males whining they can't compete in a free sexual market

>nooo we have to take women's right and options so I can get laid again and have a kitchen slave

>>83095191
>>83095630
If all the women are at home who are the men interacting with? You would expect infidelity and divorce to rise with the flooding of into the workforce, from changing what was prior more sex segregated jobs into sex-mixed jobs. Of course people started fucking. And though many were married, they wouldn't be for long. A foid win. But not until civilisation is ground down to open combat in the streets and warlords hording all the virgins will we be able to say conclusively that foids officially won the war.

>>83095630
Misleading statement.

The bulk of these females are still seeking relationships where they are the parasitic infantilized rapeslave.

They don't fucking value romantic equality. They have fucking rape "fetishes" and a 'need' to be pushed around by a bestial monstrosity that treats them like a fucking incesteous rape slave daughter. What is so hard to understand about this? Why do you keep ignoring reality?

>>83094137
Stop projecting and come back with an actual point or shut the fuck up already

>>83094843
>Men are shit though
And yet the women are still measurably worse

>>83095085
>always thin & hot bc she could become homeless if he leaves her
Implying women are so trash that they would need to be threatened with death to not become gross land whales in relationships is like an insult you would expect from an incel.

>>83095630
Muslims, hispanics and blacks have been saying this too though.

>>83092956 (OP)
true, we should also legalize rape and pedophilia because nature n shieee

>>83093498
>It's brainwashing because the things that supposedly terrify them about the lifestyle they end up doing worse with/for stranger men and bosses that have even less reason to care about any single aspect about their health.
Exactly. Bosses do not care about you. Female bosses even less so. My feminist sister is feeling the burn right now in fact. Her coworkers are all women and one is on maternity leave and the others keep calling in sick a lot for dumb reasons and her boss gives no fucks and only cares about results so she piles on even more responsibility on my sister and she's starting to burn out. On top of that she recently broke up with her boyfriend so it's a double whammy. If she instead had been a housewife and life had gotten too much she could've called anyone in the family and we'd help, not because of money or power but because we genuinely care. But we can't fix her boss or get her a better job.

>>83095596
>Women have no idea what to do with their free time. And to be honest, neither do men. People like a purpose. And they like to see progress/growth/development as a consequence of their work.
Men and women used to sing, dance, play instruments, sew and weave, do carpentry and carving just for the fun of it when things didn't need doing around the house. We used to do sports for fun too, just get out and move or go for hikes and pick flowers and mushrooms and shit. Tell stories by the fire, that type of thing.

>>83093841
>word salad
Speaking of meds, take yours

>>83096643
How is pointing out women abuse their bodies so they prematurely age and get mistreated by their employers anyway word salad? Dumb fat faggot.