Anonymous
10/17/2025, 6:49:36 PM
No.150879160
>>150879009
>There definitely is capitalism without the state.
No, there isn't. In history there aren't any examples of this. The closest you have are informal markets with profiteers in disaster areas that used to have a state backed capitalism. Capitalism without a state would just become feudalism.
>coercive exclusion, which requires state power.
No, it doesn't but that doesn't matter anyway. Capitalism always has a state. Regardless, money is coercive.
>Worker-owned firms still operate within a framework of scarcity and competition
Yes, I could have told you that. This isn't utopia, its just preferable in its sustainability and efficiency. Capitalism's private ownership introduces perverse incentives that poison society and pervert our economic aims away from sustainable production to short term profits. Working people in their communities have a reason to care about them. Capitalists dont. And when a capitalist runs a business into the ground they aren't ruined at all, 9 times out of 10 they simply move onto a new business. Meanwhile the workers who had no say in their dissolution are destitute. Insanely wasteful and cruel way to organize production.
>There definitely is capitalism without the state.
No, there isn't. In history there aren't any examples of this. The closest you have are informal markets with profiteers in disaster areas that used to have a state backed capitalism. Capitalism without a state would just become feudalism.
>coercive exclusion, which requires state power.
No, it doesn't but that doesn't matter anyway. Capitalism always has a state. Regardless, money is coercive.
>Worker-owned firms still operate within a framework of scarcity and competition
Yes, I could have told you that. This isn't utopia, its just preferable in its sustainability and efficiency. Capitalism's private ownership introduces perverse incentives that poison society and pervert our economic aims away from sustainable production to short term profits. Working people in their communities have a reason to care about them. Capitalists dont. And when a capitalist runs a business into the ground they aren't ruined at all, 9 times out of 10 they simply move onto a new business. Meanwhile the workers who had no say in their dissolution are destitute. Insanely wasteful and cruel way to organize production.