Anonymous
10/18/2025, 7:59:05 PM
No.150894265
>>150893237
>Its an act of fantasy.
So is democratic socialism. In all the times it's tried, it never worked. But I don't need to fall back on history to tell you how it's an inherently flawed system.
>enclosure acts
The enclosure acts violated, rather than exemplified, capitalist ethics. Capitalism without the state requires that property be acquired via homesteading or voluntary transfer. The enclosures expropriated customary common rights through parliamentary fiat, this was state theft, not market process. This was a primitive accumulation via state violence, not "capitalism in action."
>Socialism
So you no longer want someone to own private property, turning it into a collective entitlement instead. Who decides the price? If set by the state, it's arbitrary. If workers lack capital, then there would be subsidized federal loans - forced redistribution from taxpayers to preferred buyers. If the business is failing, then workers may buy a sinking ship out of loyalty rather than rationality, misallocating scarce resources.
>If we're bailing out a company, we should own that company.
There it is, it's not that you hate corporations for exploiting the state, it's that you're not the one financially gaining from it. Bailouts should not exist at all, they are theft from taxpayers to politically connected firms. Without private ownership of capital, there are no market prices for means of production, so no way to know if resources are being used efficiently. State-owned enterprises inevitably waste, stagnate, or require endless subsidies.
>common sense
Your "common sense" ignores scarcity. Resources are limited, only private property and profit/loss provides a rational feedback mechanism to allocate them. Democratic socialism replaces this with voting, lobbying, or bureaucratic decree, which respond to political power, not consumer demand or technical efficiency.
>Its an act of fantasy.
So is democratic socialism. In all the times it's tried, it never worked. But I don't need to fall back on history to tell you how it's an inherently flawed system.
>enclosure acts
The enclosure acts violated, rather than exemplified, capitalist ethics. Capitalism without the state requires that property be acquired via homesteading or voluntary transfer. The enclosures expropriated customary common rights through parliamentary fiat, this was state theft, not market process. This was a primitive accumulation via state violence, not "capitalism in action."
>Socialism
So you no longer want someone to own private property, turning it into a collective entitlement instead. Who decides the price? If set by the state, it's arbitrary. If workers lack capital, then there would be subsidized federal loans - forced redistribution from taxpayers to preferred buyers. If the business is failing, then workers may buy a sinking ship out of loyalty rather than rationality, misallocating scarce resources.
>If we're bailing out a company, we should own that company.
There it is, it's not that you hate corporations for exploiting the state, it's that you're not the one financially gaining from it. Bailouts should not exist at all, they are theft from taxpayers to politically connected firms. Without private ownership of capital, there are no market prices for means of production, so no way to know if resources are being used efficiently. State-owned enterprises inevitably waste, stagnate, or require endless subsidies.
>common sense
Your "common sense" ignores scarcity. Resources are limited, only private property and profit/loss provides a rational feedback mechanism to allocate them. Democratic socialism replaces this with voting, lobbying, or bureaucratic decree, which respond to political power, not consumer demand or technical efficiency.