Anonymous
10/19/2025, 1:36:41 PM
No.150907959
>>150907922
>I said polity
I am aware, but people nowadays have this weird thing now where they think it is okay to use violence on their own citizens but not foreigners, which is completely backwards to how a state is supposed to be.
>and that's good actually
More like every system does it. Sad truth about all tribalism is that is boils down to that, but at a basic level you should be for your own countrymen, race, religion, etc because that is WHY nations even form to begin with. If you put other stuff above that then it is counter intuitive to the whole purpose of a nation.
>I said that violence is inextricable from struggle in fascist philosophy
Yes, meaning that it is the same thing
You are saying violence cannot be separated from struggle, when it can in their philosophy.
>I've described fascism accurately and without emotional bias
I don't think so. The proof is that you think that Fascism is about violence at it's core layer. In reality, it's a means to an end of human fulfillment and actually getting stuff done. Whether or not you think that is positive is another discussion that is more about values, but you keep saying that violence is the same thing as struggle. By struggle, I mean something challenging to accomplish, not a literal struggle/fight. Fascists think fulfillment can only come from overcoming struggle, whether it be physical, mental. Rather than violence, the word I would use to describe them is persistence/perserverance. Whether you take that as positive like a persevering over adversity from trying over and over, or poorly like a persistent cough that won't seem to go away is up to you. But violence isn't the core - it's persistence and loyalty to what they consider "their own" (though the definition of "what is your own" can differ among different fascists. Some just say nation, others say race, others say other fascists around the globe, etc.)
>I said polity
I am aware, but people nowadays have this weird thing now where they think it is okay to use violence on their own citizens but not foreigners, which is completely backwards to how a state is supposed to be.
>and that's good actually
More like every system does it. Sad truth about all tribalism is that is boils down to that, but at a basic level you should be for your own countrymen, race, religion, etc because that is WHY nations even form to begin with. If you put other stuff above that then it is counter intuitive to the whole purpose of a nation.
>I said that violence is inextricable from struggle in fascist philosophy
Yes, meaning that it is the same thing
You are saying violence cannot be separated from struggle, when it can in their philosophy.
>I've described fascism accurately and without emotional bias
I don't think so. The proof is that you think that Fascism is about violence at it's core layer. In reality, it's a means to an end of human fulfillment and actually getting stuff done. Whether or not you think that is positive is another discussion that is more about values, but you keep saying that violence is the same thing as struggle. By struggle, I mean something challenging to accomplish, not a literal struggle/fight. Fascists think fulfillment can only come from overcoming struggle, whether it be physical, mental. Rather than violence, the word I would use to describe them is persistence/perserverance. Whether you take that as positive like a persevering over adversity from trying over and over, or poorly like a persistent cough that won't seem to go away is up to you. But violence isn't the core - it's persistence and loyalty to what they consider "their own" (though the definition of "what is your own" can differ among different fascists. Some just say nation, others say race, others say other fascists around the globe, etc.)