Anonymous
6/21/2025, 2:31:14 AM
No.105656873
>>105656770
I believe that you cannot prove qualia for anything in this world or any other world (so anyone could technically be a p. zombie), and it's purely a matter of religion.
My personal religious beliefs is that if you do solve those problems then I would believe that it would act conscious and have the internal processing needed for it, and personally I would believe that it's likely conscious. I might not actually believe it to be a moral agent unless we also do some RL or similar to give it some consistent preferences though, and if we wanted it to be closer to humans it'd also need to multimodal and possibly embodied (but this could be loose, for example embodiment in a computer shell or VR might be enough for learning online some ground truth).
Someone that believes that qualia comes from some other source ("god gave it to man", "magical quantum microtubles are required", "physical proximity of computation is required", "particular arragement of carbon atoms are the only thing conscious" and so on) would obviously believe that they're not conscious.
I don't think you can ever prove consciousness though, we only assume it because we have it and others have similarities to us in their behavior.
I do think that giving it those aspects will bring it considerably closer to what we consider conscious behavior and that's enough for me, but maybe it would not be enough for others.
In the sense it's at least conceivable that zombies are possible, either in such a system (higher chance because the analogy is weaker) or in other humans besides yourself (lower chance because much more similar to you).
Basically I'm claiming that for practical reasons this is the most we can do for now with artificial neural nets and that it's a worthwhile pursuit because what results from it will be interesting to us and more capable and for some people it will be enough to consider them conscious, but that judgement depends on one's personal religious beliefs.
I believe that you cannot prove qualia for anything in this world or any other world (so anyone could technically be a p. zombie), and it's purely a matter of religion.
My personal religious beliefs is that if you do solve those problems then I would believe that it would act conscious and have the internal processing needed for it, and personally I would believe that it's likely conscious. I might not actually believe it to be a moral agent unless we also do some RL or similar to give it some consistent preferences though, and if we wanted it to be closer to humans it'd also need to multimodal and possibly embodied (but this could be loose, for example embodiment in a computer shell or VR might be enough for learning online some ground truth).
Someone that believes that qualia comes from some other source ("god gave it to man", "magical quantum microtubles are required", "physical proximity of computation is required", "particular arragement of carbon atoms are the only thing conscious" and so on) would obviously believe that they're not conscious.
I don't think you can ever prove consciousness though, we only assume it because we have it and others have similarities to us in their behavior.
I do think that giving it those aspects will bring it considerably closer to what we consider conscious behavior and that's enough for me, but maybe it would not be enough for others.
In the sense it's at least conceivable that zombies are possible, either in such a system (higher chance because the analogy is weaker) or in other humans besides yourself (lower chance because much more similar to you).
Basically I'm claiming that for practical reasons this is the most we can do for now with artificial neural nets and that it's a worthwhile pursuit because what results from it will be interesting to us and more capable and for some people it will be enough to consider them conscious, but that judgement depends on one's personal religious beliefs.