>>105893282
ive got a question taht will clear up this discussion a bit:
are you an indian talking to indians who work in SF? in which case, yeah those are fraudulent h1b workers who are slaving away in quite unusual conditions. though the SWE market is absolutely chock full of h1b fraud right now so it would be fair to say that those arent unusual conditions.

talk to workers who arent a part of the h1b fraud scheme and you will have more realistic answers