Anonymous
10/10/2025, 4:08:41 AM
No.82756457
>>82756340
>>82756410
But I want to get back to this idea that they were leftists according to their time. No, they were not. Almost every artist or philosopher has variances from their given culture, i.e., Plato could be thought of as leftist for his more egalitarian view of women, but he also seems to take a sexist view in the Laws and even in the Republic, the supposedly progressive work:
>When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.
>Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?
>Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?
>By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them.
>...
>The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money, whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each other.
>>82756410
But I want to get back to this idea that they were leftists according to their time. No, they were not. Almost every artist or philosopher has variances from their given culture, i.e., Plato could be thought of as leftist for his more egalitarian view of women, but he also seems to take a sexist view in the Laws and even in the Republic, the supposedly progressive work:
>When a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.
>Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?
>Yes, I said; and loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honours both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?
>By degrees the anarchy finds a way into private houses, and ends by getting among the animals and infecting them.
>...
>The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money, whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each other.