Anonymous
10/13/2025, 9:50:04 PM
No.16814268
>>16814242
My last post was just clarifying the term but overall I think you are making a mistake regarding what an argument, or a logical derivation is.
Logical derivations are always just propositions that are connected in some accepted way. I hear that often that then people say those are just assertions, but they are just premises.
All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal
>but you just assert Socrates is a man, you just assert all men are mortal
That's just the argument, you can reject one or more premises if you want but don't call it illogical when it has valid logical structure.
You might still be right about consciousness though, I just presented my reasoning but it could be wrong. To me it just seems clear that my pain and your pain are separate, it's as clear as the fact that there are things I call letters in my visual field.
Michael Huemer calls this an intellectual seeming, some things just seem self evident and it's genuinely hard to see the other perspective, even though in theory you could be right.
Thinking that my pain and your pain are one and the same is like thinking that 1 + 1 = 3, just seems self evidently false.
You also have your premises and at some point you probably can't justify them further, some end point will just seem obvious. What would you accept as an objective difference between your consciousness and that of other people?
My last post was just clarifying the term but overall I think you are making a mistake regarding what an argument, or a logical derivation is.
Logical derivations are always just propositions that are connected in some accepted way. I hear that often that then people say those are just assertions, but they are just premises.
All men are mortal, Socrates is a man, therefore Socrates is mortal
>but you just assert Socrates is a man, you just assert all men are mortal
That's just the argument, you can reject one or more premises if you want but don't call it illogical when it has valid logical structure.
You might still be right about consciousness though, I just presented my reasoning but it could be wrong. To me it just seems clear that my pain and your pain are separate, it's as clear as the fact that there are things I call letters in my visual field.
Michael Huemer calls this an intellectual seeming, some things just seem self evident and it's genuinely hard to see the other perspective, even though in theory you could be right.
Thinking that my pain and your pain are one and the same is like thinking that 1 + 1 = 3, just seems self evidently false.
You also have your premises and at some point you probably can't justify them further, some end point will just seem obvious. What would you accept as an objective difference between your consciousness and that of other people?