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https://spacenews.com/former-nasa-administrators-call-for-changes-in-artemis-lunar-lander-architecture/

https://archive.is/8feBB

>In a fireside chat at the American Astronautical Society’s von Braun Space Exploration Symposium on Oct. 29, former administrators Charlie Bolden and Jim Bridenstine expressed skepticism that NASA’s current Artemis architecture, using Starship to ferry astronauts to and from the lunar surface, can succeed before the first projected Chinese crewed landing later this decade.
>“How did we get back here where we now need 11 launches to get one crew to the moon?” he said, referring to the multiple refueling flights needed for Starship. “We’re never going to get there.”

would be really, really funny if the 11 launch thing gets resolved by just ditching Orion and the whole going into NRHO rigamarole