>>149916286
already have those, and also a climbing set
>>149916313
my 50mm carbon tubulars wheels from far sports weigh less than 1100g with sapin spokes, are more than a decade old, never had to be trued or serviced and I had excellent and fast support when I changed to campy years ago
honestly, as far as wheels go, I will either go campy or chinese, not even interested in anything else
but not for frames, I dunno, my eyes need to like it first