Anonymous
10/1/2025, 1:01:33 PM
No.1988165
>>1988153
Imagine going against hard facts, here's picrelated, the top picks of the whole PHL
Notice that the SA12 saw a 76.6% OF USE among EVERY heavy.
that anon here >>1987706 specifically said "even pros" when while, yes, the Shak is good, most pros use infact the SA12.
also
>1) Get this, ShAK users can also use the Winch and flat out counter that with their own stun
But within that timeframe you will output more damage with an SA12. If you get winched as an SA12 user, you're still at an advantage since now you have the range benefit of being pulled in your effective range.
>2) Max range is like, 12m. ShAK users can just stand outside of Winch range and get their full damage. The SA12 can't
Doesn't matter because Shak has the double bullet mechanic, that means that you will do HALF your damage should only 1 bullet connect. As for the range itself, every heavy runs dome to cover himself, not to mention that barricade and sometimes even goo are more than viable choices (personally I always run barricade when I play SA12 exactly for this reason and to play ring around the rosie to buy time for a cycle or just to throw him off)
>Or, get this, one can go off of the actual video game itself, rather than variances in players' personal preferences and proficiencies
I do and that's why I see it, first fucking hand. As I stated multiple times, I do not think the Shak is bad, far from it. I am an user of it, it is a GOOD gun. But when I go against a good SA12 user, I will get my shit rocked. And most pros choose that weapon, as the data clearly shows.
>No, I'm a separate anon chiming in at you obvious being wrong, and I guess we can also add you being a shitty little snide faggot on top of that too
Where do you think we are? The M60 IS bad. I'm not worried in the slightest when I go against an M60/minigun user. Accuracy over time is punished in this game.
Imagine going against hard facts, here's picrelated, the top picks of the whole PHL
Notice that the SA12 saw a 76.6% OF USE among EVERY heavy.
that anon here >>1987706 specifically said "even pros" when while, yes, the Shak is good, most pros use infact the SA12.
also
>1) Get this, ShAK users can also use the Winch and flat out counter that with their own stun
But within that timeframe you will output more damage with an SA12. If you get winched as an SA12 user, you're still at an advantage since now you have the range benefit of being pulled in your effective range.
>2) Max range is like, 12m. ShAK users can just stand outside of Winch range and get their full damage. The SA12 can't
Doesn't matter because Shak has the double bullet mechanic, that means that you will do HALF your damage should only 1 bullet connect. As for the range itself, every heavy runs dome to cover himself, not to mention that barricade and sometimes even goo are more than viable choices (personally I always run barricade when I play SA12 exactly for this reason and to play ring around the rosie to buy time for a cycle or just to throw him off)
>Or, get this, one can go off of the actual video game itself, rather than variances in players' personal preferences and proficiencies
I do and that's why I see it, first fucking hand. As I stated multiple times, I do not think the Shak is bad, far from it. I am an user of it, it is a GOOD gun. But when I go against a good SA12 user, I will get my shit rocked. And most pros choose that weapon, as the data clearly shows.
>No, I'm a separate anon chiming in at you obvious being wrong, and I guess we can also add you being a shitty little snide faggot on top of that too
Where do you think we are? The M60 IS bad. I'm not worried in the slightest when I go against an M60/minigun user. Accuracy over time is punished in this game.